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The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« on: August 06, 2009, 01:19:48 AM »

I'd love to buy one myself and put it through the ringer.  I've shot some of them before and they have all been great.  But now they are rolling with a new trigger system that is in my opinion, a much better trigger than ever before. 
According to CZ USA, we are the only dealer that's moving these rifles...

My Bad.

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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2009, 10:01:45 PM »
 Ugh. You're killing me George. You shoot and post these great videos!  ;D

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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 09:00:33 PM »
The CZ 750 is old technology compared to either SAKO's TRG or Accuracy International's AW or AE.
It's an interesting piece, but more from a collectible standpoint
I would not expect it to shoot to the same level as other European sniper rifles.
In the hands it kinda reminded me a lil of the Russian SV-98....only not as accurate.....

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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 09:46:07 PM »
Obsolete technology? Really?

It seems to me that all the advancements in bolt action rifle technology in the past 100 years have happened in pretty tiny increments, and most of those advancements have more to do with how much labor goes into making them accurate than the levels of absolute accuracy that can be achieved.

How much more can the rifles from Sako or AI really do, and for how much more $$$?
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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 10:08:51 PM »
I said old technology, not obsolete technology, there is a difference........
the CZ 750 is more akin to a Parker-Hale M85

both the SAKO and AI's are rail guns if you pop the hood.
Barrel quality is higher on the Brit and Finn rifle as well.

A long range stick is a personal thing, whatever floats your boat.
Not saying a CZ 750 is obsolete, it IS an interesting piece, but there
are much better combat proven designs available.

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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 10:16:02 PM »
Apologies for the obsolete vs. old misquote.

I'm still curious though, do the Sako or AI really do much that the CZ can't do for $1000 less?

I understand how rail and tube guns very effectively sidestep the difficulties of achieving perfect bedding that you see in traditional stocks, but how much better are they than properly done pillar, block, or glass bedding?
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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2009, 10:18:05 PM »
I said old technology, not obsolete technology, there is a difference........
the CZ 750 is more akin to a Parker-Hale M85

both the SAKO and AI's are rail guns if you pop the hood.
Barrel quality is higher on the Brit and Finn rifle as well.

A long range stick is a personal thing, whatever floats your boat.
Not saying a CZ 750 is obsolete, it IS an interesting piece, but there
are much better combat proven designs available.

Better?  OK.  Much better?  I doubt it.  


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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 10:27:45 PM »
1.5 inch groups at 400 yards with Factory Ammo?  Sure... go ahead and Poo-poo the CZ750 because it isn't "THE BEST".  It's only 2 Grand.  How much is an AI?  Seriously?  6 Grand?  TacticalRifles.Net?  4500?  Come on.   Seriously.   
Your post is like comparing a Contour to a Quatroporte because they both have 4 doors.
However - You take the average shooter that thinks he knows rifles - and let them shoot both - I bet the results will be damn near the same.
Technology?  It's a rifle, not a Pentium microprocessor.  The only real advance is in aluminum box bedding.  Everything else is pretty much the same as we've been building them since the late 1800's.  Unless Accuracy International is using Warp Coil Fields to stabilize the projectile as it's magnetically driven out the barrel. 
One improvement CZ did on the 750 recently was to ditch the single set trigger and just put in a really good factory trigger.  No over travel like the SST has.
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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2009, 10:42:53 PM »
From a thread on thr someone said a bloke got a tour of the cz factory and they showed how they made the 750 this is what he said
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One gentleman from one of the sniper forums, who apparently competes internationally, claims that when he visited the CZ factory that the 750 is made from a stock barrel and a 550 action that is simply taken off the line and rigged up into 750 configuration. Nothing special is done to to the barrels or actions nor is there any kind of selection process as CZ apparently thinks the 550 action and barrel is fine as is. This is why they are cheap compared to other companies tactical long range offerings. No one seemed to question his word on the forum and it seemed accepted that he was an international competitor.


To me the 3 grand (£) for a A.I is worth every penny, its only £8.24 a day for a top notch rifle, its personaly what I'm going to buy when I get my fac and a boat load of cash.


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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2009, 11:06:29 PM »
Oh some guy on another forum said that he read on another forum?  s___... I better send them all back to CZ USA then.
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CZ USA was surprised when we've made so many orders for these rifles... Because they said we are the only dealer actually moving them.  We have the highest concentrations of the CZ 750's in the country here in the Basin.  I've shot 3 different 750's. 2 topped with Zeiss and 1 topped with a Swarovski.  Shockingly accurate.  It can compete with guns that cost twice as much.   I would love to have one myself.  Yes, it's a 550 action.  So?  Do they need to build a whole new action?  Come on... this is a .308 and the 550 Action is frequently used for .375H&H, .458 Lott and bigger rounds.  A little .308 is nothing for it.  Did we all the sudden forget that most "Custom" rifles and Custom "Tactical" rifles are built off Remington 700 Actions?    Come on.   There are too many noses in the air in the shooting community and not enough people putting those noses behind the charging handles and shooting. 
Give the CZ 750 a fair shake based on what you personally witness or do yourself - not on internet hearsay.     
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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2009, 11:13:30 PM »
I'm going to need to put a lot more rounds downrange with the likes of my old .22-250 before I'll be close to capable of fully appreciating the CZ. I think something in that range would hold me for quite a while before I felt the need to move up another order of magnitude on the price scale.
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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 11:17:12 PM »
Nah I'm not saying thay are crap rifles because some bloke said a bloke who met a blokes brother down the pub has a dog that can hit out to 4000 meters with a slingshot. All it is , is a form of validation to gunwriter's statement that Sako's and A.I's are rail guns under the hood and that they use a better barrel than CZ. Question is that bolt on the CZ a bit stiff in you vid George is it the way your opening it? Also surely this thing can be more effective than upto 800m?

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 11:17:57 PM »
CZ pistols had the same rap when they hit the scene...

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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 11:21:53 PM »
You do notice I'm operating the bolt with my left hand while not touching the rifle its self... while holding a camera.
Cut me some slack!  I don't edit anything either.
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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 11:23:49 PM »
I don't see how using the same barrel as the 550 is necessarily any kind of indictment against the 750, it could as easily mean that the barrel used on the 550 is just that good.

I still want somebody to quantify exactly what other rifles actually do better than the CZ. The proof will be in the pudding.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2009, 11:26:12 PM »
I've got about 20 different 550's and the 750 at Basin - No - it's not the same barrel.  That's laughable. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2009, 12:56:30 AM »
Around here, that same CZ 750(S1M1) is sold for about 3553.5 U.S.D., The SAKO rifles float between 1500 and 4500, euros.

I dunnow, I'd buy the CZ if I was interested in a bolt-action, just because of the damned bucks it takes to get a SAKO, and save the money for a scope, a Night force, with a Happy face on the lens cover  :P

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2009, 12:55:10 PM »
I don't see how using the same barrel as the 550 is necessarily any kind of indictment against the 750, it could as easily mean that the barrel used on the 550 is just that good.

I still want somebody to quantify exactly what other rifles actually do better than the CZ. The proof will be in the pudding.

Better is in the eye of the beholder....you can't quantify that. If a rifle serves your needs, then that is all that matters.

For me personally, what I like about the SAKO TRG is
the enclosed receiver
short 60 VS 90 degree bolt rotation
3 VS 2 lug bolt
short bolt throw
extremely simple bolt take-down
very quick lock time
QD bipod design which has a very wide stance VS command height making it extremely stable
competition style rail on forend
ability to carry the rifle biathlon style
fully adjustable stock
ability to mount military BUIS, muzzle break, sound suppressor
Due to the design there is no bedding to wear out,
the action is noticeably quicker than most other designs.
Accuracy, as long as it's acceptable, is down on my list when choosing a rifle
of this type. How the rifle feels, handles, action speed, magazine design, etc are
all more important to me. Basically its pretty simple to make any good bolt gun shoot well.
However, regarding accuracy the TRG performs extremely well for a factory rifle.

This past weekend I had the annual Big 3 industry event on my range and one of the companies
in attendance was Hensoldt. Nathan Hunt brought an AI AE with one of his 4-16x56mms on it.
I'm not a huge fan of the AI, but what I respect most about it is what a rugged and durable design
it is. At this event we had all manner of bolt and semi-auto sniper rifles with a number of former/active duty
snipers including an SVDS. I'm not a "I read it on the intraweb" kinda guy.....

No slight against CZ, Jason brought over two of their first .338 Lapua Magnum sniper rifles and we
tested them on my range. I'm just not a big fan of basic '98 action. I've been aware of the CZ750 from when
Marty of Badger was with CZ, and that was quite a few years ago...

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Re: The Mighty CZ 750 Sniper
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2009, 10:37:26 PM »
  I'll take the AI.  There's a reason the 8541s/0317s lust after it so much.  It's also what my brother shoots and he's an 8451 and an 8542.  Who's issuing the CZ?  How easy is it to service (think military here, people)?  How durable is it?

  Here's what my brother's instructor in Marine Corps Scout Sniper School (a combat veteran of course who's been there and done that) has to say about the Accuracy International Arctic Warfare. 

  I've seen an AW zeroed to within a half-minute. Then the rifle was dropped from a height of about 4 feet onto the 1000 yard line. It was then dragged about 100 yards in a circle behind a bit of para chord. No drag-bag. It was shot at the same distance of 100 yards and printed point-of-aim, point-of-impact. I then witnessed the tech take apart the rifle completely, removed the barrel and replaced it with a new one, then shot again at 100 yards. You guessed it, point-of-aim, point-of-impact. The optic was a Schmidt and Bender variable power, model unknown.

Tell me that if you, as a professional gunfighter, witnessed the same thing would not be sold, no questions asked; except where and how fast can I get one?

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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2009, 10:45:30 PM »
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Tell me that if you, as a professional gunfighter, witnessed the same thing would not be sold, no questions asked; except where and how fast can I get one?
Well... yeah... unfortunately I'm not Government Funded and I have to ask "How Much" as well.  s___ yeah, if I had the .Gov footing the bill I'd have an AI with a Nightforce.  Not a question. 
Remember - this gun is only 1999 and change.  How much is that Arctic Warfare rifle?
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2009, 11:07:31 PM »
£3000 plus say what £1800 for a very nice S&B sight, plus with AI you have a resale value same with your choice of glass. so at the cost of £4800 with no ammo (depends what and if you get a deal on the glass you want) that works out to be £13.18 per day even on min wage thats 2.5hours a day to afford it, cheap if your young free and single :D Also where can you get the 750 fixed? Or at least buy spare parts for it?

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2009, 11:33:52 PM »
  Who's issuing the CZ?  How easy is it to service (think military here, people)?  How durable is it?

I don't care who issues it, I only care about what works for me.  How easy is it too service? Get real. I take it across the river to Melvin Forbes and he fixes it for me.  If I ruled a small country with money to spare I'd get the AI, why not?.
But since I'm just some guy, I'll have to settle for something less spendy so I can afford ammo to practice with.

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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2009, 11:37:54 PM »
Also where can you get the 750 fixed? Or at least buy spare parts for it?
CZ USA - Kansas City.  No problem.
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2009, 06:23:06 AM »
  There's an LRI graduate by the name of "XringMick" (who's on this forum) that shoots the cheaper AI AE that's comparable in price to the CZ.  His shoots a solid 1/3 MOA.  Don't think I need to say anything else.....

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2009, 11:23:47 AM »
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Also where can you get the 750 AI fixed? Or at least buy spare parts for it?
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