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SSG-82 Range Report
« on: September 27, 2012, 08:37:46 PM »
I wrote up a pretty lengthy review but it somehow got ate up by the interweb.  I'll post some pics now and will do the text again after I calm down.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 08:42:22 PM »
These pics will show the difference between the 4x magnification above at the 100yd paper target & 300yd steel silhouette.  Also the first picture of the paper targets is from 100 yards and the second is from 200 yards using Wolf 60gr HP ammo.  This is easily a sub-MOA gun when I do my part.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2012, 08:45:44 PM »
This was the steel target that I had at the 300yd line.  4 of the 5 shots were in the white "kill" zone in the body...not bad for barely seeing the target through the scope.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 11:11:36 PM »
Fascinating. That is an interesting little gun.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2012, 07:26:48 AM »
I don't know much about them but they are supposed to be great rifles. Pretty neat piece of history too. I don't have time to look it up before work, but I believe these were called "wall rifles" or perhaps "overwatch rifles"? They were given to soldiers guarding the Berlin Wall, supposedly.

...is this the same one that was on Snipershide a few months ago?
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2012, 12:11:31 PM »
Zero, yes these rifles are commonly called "wall rifles" but there is no documentation supporting the rumors of serving over the Berlin Wall.  And yes again this was once on sniper's hide about a month ago and I got it in a trade.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2012, 12:43:45 PM »
I find it absolutely fascinating that so much is known about the rifle and yet we do not know, for certain, how it was employed. So serious care went into making the rifle, so one would think that it would have an important purpose, but no one knows.

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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 01:00:33 PM »
What exactly is this? 

SSG as in Steyr? I've never heard of this gun.  Hell, I thought 5,45 was only for AKs.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2012, 02:05:59 PM »
East German semi-precision rifle of undetermined usage. It really is an odd duck.

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SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2012, 04:28:51 PM »
Yeah, it's pretty neat, even neater because of its rarity over here. That's why it caught my eye when I saw it in the classifieds.

5.45 makes me think AK, and AK makes me think "not precision". Pretty cool what this rifle can do with this zippy round.


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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2012, 04:46:35 PM »
It is unknown if Steyr made any of these rifles...maybe Mannlicher as it shares the exact same hammer forged barrel profile.  "SSG" is short for Scharf Schutzen Gewher or "Sharp Shooter Rifle" in German (excuse me if the spelling is off...) and the "-82" is the year of incorperation.

SSG as in Steyr? I've never heard of this gun.  Hell, I thought 5,45 was only for AKs.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2012, 06:14:42 PM »
Cool thanks for posting the pictures. Looks like a neat gun. The mystery behind its use makes it all the more interisting.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2012, 01:52:41 AM »
Ok, here's take 2 on the written range report...

I was able to take out my SSG-82 shortly after receiving her along with my custom Remington 700 build that I did myself.  It was an unusually nice & cool day in central NC, 65 degrees and overcast with the whole range to myself.  I brought along 3 types of ammo (Wolf 60gr FMJ, Wolf 60gr HP & Barnaul 55gr HP) to shoot paper @ 100, 200 and a 1/2 size steel silhoutte @ 300 yards.  I would've shot paper @ 300 yards but because of the 4x scope it made it very difficult for a high amount of precision at that distance.  For support equipment I was shooting off a very stable wood bench with a set of Caldwell front & rear shooting bags.  I didn't bring along my shooting jacket...oh well.

The rifle itself is an extremely well made precision instrument.  If it weren't for the low power scope I believe that this rifle would drive thumb tacks out to the extreme end of the 5.45x39 cartridge's limits.  The only weak point in this whole system is the magazines.  They are very flimsy feeling and completely "un-AK" like and unfortunately they are completely uncompatible.  They don't "rock & lock" like an AK, instead they latch in more like my Rem700 with the AI magazine kit.  If you think the rifle is rare then try and find spare magazines!!  Luckily mine came with a total of 4 so barring any accidents I should be set.  The stock is the most comfortable that I have ever put to my shoulder, and I have had owned or shot some very expensive and tricked out rigs.  The rifle is extremely well balanced and doesn't feel no where near her 11 pounds.  The barrel is 23" of hammer forged goodness that have a shiny deep plum color and a very attractive spiral pattern.

The trigger is the gem of the whole system.  It is adjustable in 7 different ways and can be set up for ANYONE perfectly.  Mine came to me needing not a single touch by myself and is by far THE finest trigger I ever laid a finger on.  It's like magic. Very smooth & crisp with zero creep or any mush.  On my Lyman scale she averaged 1lb 7 oz with a deviation of only less than 2oz in either direction!  The scope is an excellent Zeiss Jena 4 power with the typical German reticle. Despite the low power it is extremely sharp and clear.  The pictures just don't do it justice and also somehow reduces the magnification a little more than actually looking through it.  I also took pictures through my SWFA Super Sniper fixed 16x scope that is on my Rem700 as a comparison sight picture between the two to show the difficulty to attain precision with this precision rifle.  There is a 6x scope for thses rifles so maybe one day I'll find one and try it out.

I started at the 100yd paper target to get some sort of baseline and do a standard 5 shot accuracy test with the 3 choices of ammo.  She printed about 2" high with all 3 types but the interesting thing is that the Wolf 60gr HP shot the best groups well under 1 inch (the pic shows my first group with the cold bore shot a little outside the other 4 rounds) while the same Wolf 60gr FMJ going right under 1 inch.  I don't know why the HP shot noticably better than the same projectile except it is a FMJ is beyond me.  The Barnaul 55gr HP shot about 1.5 inches and because the projectile is short & stubby they gave me some chambering problems out of the magazine.  Moving out to 200yds I only shot the Wolf rounds and as you can see the HP rounds printed a 3 shot group right at 1 inch!  I was very surprised how well it performed despite barely being able to see the orange 1" dot with the thick crosshair post.  The 200 yard zero proved to be the best distance for this rig again because of the limiting low magnification scope.

Lastly I shot my 1/2 size steel silhoutte on the 300yd line.  I painted 2 white kill zones which were barely visible in the 4x scope, but clearly visible in the 16x SWFA scope.  With the Wolf 60gr HP rounds I was able to get 3 solid hits in the body kill zone with 1 round slightly outside and 1 round low on the silhouette.  Not bad considering the constant 6 mph 1/2 value wind and using Kentucky windage for the 9" bullet drop from POA.  My Rem700 was dialed in and landed all 5 rounds in the top left portion of the head into less than a 2" group.

I'm extremely impressed with the SSG-82 espically shooting the less than match quality Wolf ammo.  I'm going to keep my eyes open for some of the Hornady Steel Match 60gr VMAX ammo as it's reported to be some real good stuff.  Reports from some other SSG-82 owners shooting the RWS ammo printed groups in the .5" catagory so I'm going to chase that number myself.  This is a match grade rifle, there is no question about that...the big mystery is the rifle's actual history and the myths & rumors behind it.  Its been called a "Tower rifle", a "border guard rifle", a "Stazi rifle", an "airport security rifle" and even a "special forces rifle"...hell, no one really knows who made the thing!  Some say that Steyr made them and others say Suhl (it does resemble the Suhl 150) but still no one knows for sure.  I love the oddball & unusual guns and this one doesn't disappoint.  With their prices rising and imported numbers around only 600 if the oppertunity presents itself you shouldn't pass up this rifle if possible.  With the cost of surplus 5.45x39 still under 200.00 for 1080 rounds you can have a very accurate but cheap to feed precision rifle.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2012, 05:22:52 PM »
Out standing. Now I want one. Curses! :)

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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2012, 06:05:50 PM »
Can I clarify - the SSG is the Brown & Black rifle or the Green one?  Sorry but Im a little out of it.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2012, 06:50:43 PM »
Brown.

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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2012, 03:48:24 AM »
I saw one on Calguns recently, seller was asking $2000.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2012, 05:48:28 AM »
Yeah, not that interested. ;)
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2012, 08:53:01 AM »
Yes, she is the brown rifle as stated.  There are deals out there to be had and I got mine in a trade for a rifle that I only paid 900.00 for so I feel that I did pretty good.  I admit to having very expensive & exotic tastes but I am dirt poor so I have to rely on my bartering skills.  I'm still jonesing on the trigger...it's like the trigger is wired directly to my brain and goes off exactly when I want it to.  I would love to have this trigger on my Rem700.

Can I clarify - the SSG is the Brown & Black rifle or the Green one?  Sorry but Im a little out of it.
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2012, 11:14:12 AM »
I kinda want to shoot one now.  Hell, I had never even heard of it until you made this thread.
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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2012, 04:34:53 PM »
I don't know why the HP shot noticably better than the same projectile except it is a FMJ is beyond me. 

Mattitude,

Excellent range report.  I too have an SSG82, have owned mine about 10 years now.

The reason the hollow point bullet shoots better than the FMJ is basically because a supersonic bullet is steered by the base of the bullet.  When a bullet is formed in a hollow point configuration the base of the bullet is much more uniform being pressed in a die and formed forward.  FMJ bullets are formed from the nose back and have an open base with lead exposed.  It is more difficult to get a uniform base with an FMJ configuration i.e., there are flaws in the FMJ base.  That is why 99% of match bullets are either hollow point or have a plastic nose insert such as Hornaday uses, either way they have solid (typically) boat tail bases.

When I bought my SSG82 I also bought a set of 5.45x39 dies from RCBS.  I have experimented with Russian ammo pulling the factory bullets and replacing them with Sierra Match Kings of equal or lighter weight.  Just that change alone turned my rifle from a 2.5 MOA with factory Russian FMJ loads to .75 MOA.  Then tried dumping the Russian ball powder and charging the case with a suitable amount of Vihtavuori N135 powder and topped the load with a 69 grain Sierra Match King.  That shrunk groups down to consistent .5 MOA (all groups were five shot groups) if I did my part.

The SSG82 a great rifle, as you have noted, and is  one I simply will not part with.

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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2012, 05:09:32 PM »
Wow. That is a keeper and a half! Great find, Matt!!! And great pics too!

This might not be common knowledge but I like guns chambered in rounds that they aren't normally  chambered in.

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Re: SSG-82 Range Report
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2012, 07:06:17 PM »
Does this rifle qualify as a hipster weapon?
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2012, 07:42:39 PM »
Does this rifle qualify as a hipster weapon?

It is most definitely a hipster weapon. I am a hipster in my heart (I drink PBR, Schlitz and Narragansett sometimes) and I will covet my interweb neighbor's rifle forever.
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