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Re: So... this happened.
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2016, 10:06:14 PM »
Mine did that at first.  I had it lined up straight, and *then* tightened it down hard.  The whole buttstock and buffer tube just rotated a bit with the nut.  Back it off, turn the receiver extension (buffer tube) to a bit 'before' where you want them, then when you torque it down it will line up where you want.  Then stake it in place.

Whew. That's a relief. But I already staked the end plate to the castle nut... sort of. I didn't have a heavy enough hammer, so hopefully I didn't move too much metal when I attempted to stake it. Hopefully I should be able to get it apart without too much trouble.
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #26 on: September 18, 2016, 10:14:58 PM »
    The point of staking is to keep it from moving by itself, but to still allow the user to remove it if necessary.  If it done so thoroughly that you can't remove it...  It was done too much.
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #27 on: September 18, 2016, 10:21:04 PM »
    Gotcha.

    Just for the record, if it sounds like I genuinely have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to tools and/or doing mechanical things, it's because I genuinely have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to tools and/or doing mechanical things. I swear, I make Jeremy Clarckson look like an engineering prodigy.  ::) :nervous
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    « Reply #28 on: September 18, 2016, 11:08:28 PM »
    Guys like Joe Chetwood make it all look so easy.
    There's a finesse to doing it right.
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    « Reply #29 on: September 18, 2016, 11:21:59 PM »
     I don't stake my castle nuts.  I lock-tite them.    While not "Mil-spec", it takes serious effort to remove them so I'm not worried about it coming loose.

       
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    « Reply #30 on: September 19, 2016, 01:13:39 PM »
    I don't stake my castle nuts.  I lock-tite them.    While not "Mil-spec", it takes serious effort to remove them so I'm not worried about it coming loose.

       

    I've done both and I like the loc-tite method best. I just use my heat gun to loosen it up if I need to remove it.
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    « Reply #31 on: September 19, 2016, 01:51:35 PM »
    Guys like Joe Chetwood make it all look so easy.
    There's a finesse to doing it right.

    A layman knows it needs to be kicked.
    A journeyman knows where it needs to be kicked.
    An expert knows how hard.

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    « Reply #32 on: September 19, 2016, 04:53:02 PM »
    A layman knows it needs to be kicked.
    A journeyman knows where it needs to be kicked.
    An expert knows how hard.

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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #33 on: October 15, 2016, 05:48:21 PM »
    Random question: the front and rear edges of the magazine well are supposed to be parallel to the top of the receiver, and the two sides of the receiver should be the same height, i.e. one should not be ever so slightly higher than the other, correct?

    Long story short, remember how I said that my torque wrench was broken and I majorly over-torqued the castle nut? I think I may have somehow warped the receiver in the process.
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #34 on: October 15, 2016, 06:08:28 PM »
     :shocked

    Wish I had the knowledge and skill set to help you Raptor, but that definitely sounds no bueno.
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #35 on: October 15, 2016, 06:11:02 PM »
    You are not wrong.

    But, put it together and shoot it.  May be fine.  Lots of play in many of these specs.
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    « Reply #36 on: October 15, 2016, 06:15:59 PM »
    I would not consider myself an expert on metallurgy, but if you were able to warp a lower receiver by overtorquing a castle nut...  Something would have to have been wrong with the receiver itself.
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #37 on: October 15, 2016, 06:16:47 PM »
    :censored

    And I'd used a good chunk of my gun-money fun on parts and tools for this build.
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #38 on: October 15, 2016, 06:18:45 PM »
    It happens.  I broke one of the trigger guard ears off of one the first time I tried to build one.    Fortunately,  AR parts are relatively cheap at the moment.   
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #39 on: October 15, 2016, 06:27:22 PM »
    Take pics sighting down the length of it, and post 'em.

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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #40 on: October 15, 2016, 08:15:58 PM »
    Looking down from the front, there is a noticeable curvature to the receiver. I'll put the BevBlock back in the vice and snap a few pictures when I have a chance.

    *sigh* Oh well. It is what it is, I guess. The buttstock and pistol grip should be salvageable. Not sure about the trigger group since it was already installed when I over-torqued the castle nut.

    I'm actually kind of kicking myself for another reason, because it occurred to me that if I hadn't already bought 16 AR mags and a few hundred rounds of 5.56 and .223 ammo, I'd now have the perfect excuse to say "screw it" and buy a FAL instead.  ::)
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    « Reply #41 on: October 15, 2016, 08:18:04 PM »
    At least you can get a replacement fairly cheap.   You can probably get a new one for $75 or so. 
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    « Reply #42 on: October 15, 2016, 08:34:20 PM »
    At least you can get a replacement fairly cheap.   You can probably get a new one for $75 or so. 
    That is very true.
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    « Reply #43 on: October 15, 2016, 08:48:09 PM »
    I'd do it now too.   Surprisingly we haven't seen the major panic buying yet,  but it will probably happen next month.   

    Wish it wasn't an election year.  I've already bought a bunch of stuff that I would have rather waited 6+ months on.   
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    « Reply #44 on: October 15, 2016, 08:49:35 PM »
    Looking down from the front, there is a noticeable curvature to the receiver. I'll put the BevBlock back in the vice and snap a few pictures when I have a chance.

    *sigh* Oh well. It is what it is, I guess. The buttstock and pistol grip should be salvageable. Not sure about the trigger group since it was already installed when I over-torqued the castle nut.

    I'm actually kind of kicking myself for another reason, because it occurred to me that if I hadn't already bought 16 AR mags and a few hundred rounds of 5.56 and .223 ammo, I'd now have the perfect excuse to say "screw it" and buy a FAL instead.  ::)

     :(

    FAL's are cool, man. And you don't have enough strength in your arms to over torque an FAL frame  :neener.

    But seriously though, good luck to getting things sorted on your AR.
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    « Reply #45 on: October 15, 2016, 09:13:33 PM »
    I'd do it now too.   Surprisingly we haven't seen the major panic buying yet,  but it will probably happen next month.   
    I am not predicting anything major at the outset.  There is still a decent chance for Trump, especially if democrats get complacent and have low turn out.  Even with all of the s___ they have thrown at him, I can say without exaggeration that the Trump yard signs outnumber Clinton ones by 10-1 here in SW Pennsylvania.  Most years it is dead even.  I am sure the Clinton folks vote for her, but they are not proud of it, and they are not fired up.  This year's vote will be decided by turnout.  Even if Trump loses, there is still a good chance to maintain a GOP senate, so less to worry about, and less for gunnies to panic about.

    If HRC is elected, there will be an uptick in sales.  If there is a democratic senate as well, even more so.  If somehow there is a democratic blowout...  We will have a panic.  Even so, I do not think anything the size of the Newtown mess. 

    Why?  Everyone who wanted one already bought one four years ago.  Plus AR ownership is much more widespread now, and much more widely accepted as 'normal' by the average civilian.  The market is saturated with ARs, and so I think the result of a panic will be more of increased pricing than non-existent availability.
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #46 on: October 15, 2016, 09:42:46 PM »
    I am not predicting anything major at the outset.  There is still a decent chance for Trump, especially if democrats get complacent and have low turn out.  Even with all of the s___ they have thrown at him, I can say without exaggeration that the Trump yard signs outnumber Clinton ones by 10-1 here in SW Pennsylvania.  Most years it is dead even.  I am sure the Clinton folks vote for her, but they are not proud of it, and they are not fired up.  This year's vote will be decided by turnout.  Even if Trump loses, there is still a good chance to maintain a GOP senate, so less to worry about, and less for gunnies to panic about.

    Hell, the Raptor Clan spent a week vacationing right outside Plymouth, Massachusetts at the end of August/beginning of September. Spent a lot of time out on Cape Cod while we were there We saw maybe a handful Hillary signs... but I kid you not, there were Trump signs all over the place. Prominently displayed too, right out where everyone could see them. Even in the crazy-Liberal town at the end of the cape, the name of which escapes me at the moment. Let me say that again: Trump signs all over Cape Cod and Plymouth, MA. If that's not an indicator of just how bad Hillary is doing, I don't know what is.

    Back on topic, putting the damn thing together was so aggravating (broken torque-wrench notwithstanding) that I think I'm just going to buy a pre-assembled AR, either the upper and lower separately or a complete rifle. I'll keep the parts that I can salvage from my current upper as spares. And panic or not, I am going to try and at least buy a lower soon. My preferred FFL is on the way home from work; I'll probably stop there one night next week and see what he has in stock.

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    « Reply #47 on: October 15, 2016, 10:11:57 PM »
    I've always stuck with complete uppers for mine.    However,  I will have to get the upper and barrel separately for my next AR-10 since I'm doing it in 7mm-08 with a 22" barrel.  Nobody offers those pre-built.    However, I'm planning on having someone assemble it for me since I don't have all the necessary tools and isn't worth the hassle to buy them for one thing.   I'm also going to do a custom navy blue cerakote on it,  just for something different. 

    Things are not looking so great on a state level around here.   Kansas has never really recovered from the recession and as a result, the state budget is a mess.   Some people blame that on the tax cuts that Brownback implemented a few years ago, but I think we'd still be in the hole even without those.   The  Kansas Supreme court is stacked with leftists and they are in a never-ending battle with the legislature about school funding.  Every year there is a budget crisis when they rule that the schools aren't getting enough money.   Of course the news media jumps all over that and there is a constant parade of this:



    We've made some great strides in the gun rights area the past few years.  However,  I think we may stall out for awhile as "moderate" legislators make inroads.   We've got a lot of lameass chamber of commerce type republicans that won't hesitate to screw us over in addition to the democrats that will switch parties or run as independents so they can get elected.   
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    Re: So... this happened.
    « Reply #48 on: October 15, 2016, 10:25:31 PM »
    Looking down from the front, there is a noticeable curvature to the receiver. I'll put the BevBlock back in the vice and snap a few pictures when I have a chance.

    *sigh* Oh well. It is what it is, I guess. The buttstock and pistol grip should be salvageable. Not sure about the trigger group since it was already installed when I over-torqued the castle nut.

    I'm actually kind of kicking myself for another reason, because it occurred to me that if I hadn't already bought 16 AR mags and a few hundred rounds of 5.56 and .223 ammo, I'd now have the perfect excuse to say "screw it" and buy a FAL instead.  ::)

    Trigger group should be fine. Those parts aren't *that* delicate, I don't think.

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    « Reply #49 on: October 15, 2016, 10:42:17 PM »
    Yeah, and even if you did bend it, it wouldn't have put pressure on those.  I suppose there is an outside chance of bending the pins, but those are cheap.   
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