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PARA FAL range report
« on: February 26, 2017, 09:03:27 PM »
So, As many of you know I'm now the Owner of a PARA FAL 50.63. I received the rifle this Friday and managed to get some range time Saturday.

the receiver is an american made billet manufactured by Ohio Rapid Fire (Defunct. also: avoid. my receiver is good, but some are not.) Imbel Lower,  Imbel bolt, DSA lower guts, DSA barrel, gas piston, ect.

she shoots around 2-3 MOA, standard for a FAL. and aside from an issue with a soft commercial round being ripped apart during extraction pretty dang reliable. I've got it set on gas setting 3.5, works great.
still absolutely mangles brass, but hey, what FAL doesn't?

I've decided to forgo the custom machining of a break for now as it was going to be more expensive then originally quoted due to factors (My smith would need to machine a dummy barrel, ream out a hardened break and then single point tap it. so $25 became $70 real quick. I'll wait for the 5/8th-24 version and get an adapter or the barrel retapped when the time comes.

all in all it's a fine rifle. the LOP is a little short feeling to me. but I have massive monkey arms.

Oh- and the receiver is metric cut only. not hybrid. as far as I can tell it's a full metric gun. I had issues seating two of the mags (Israeli markings) at first. but once I scraped the paint off the contact areas they functioned fine.


inch left. metric right.

my mag well:
« Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 09:21:31 PM by Roper1911 »
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    Re: PARA FAL range report
    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2017, 09:16:47 PM »
    I need to get me one of those someday.

    Thanks for sharing  :thumbup1.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 26, 2017, 09:21:44 PM »
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    LOVE IT.
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    Re: PARA FAL range report
    « Reply #3 on: February 26, 2017, 09:27:21 PM »
    I need to get me one of those someday.

    Thanks for sharing  :thumbup1.
    the first step is saving up a little bit of cash here and there. you can get a DSA for $1000. occasionally a mixmaster for less. get a jar, start dropping change in it.
    mine seems to be mostly Imbel, with a ORF receiver and DSA parts for 922r compliance.

    and the gas system is stiff as hell. but with some help from my fellow 1911 lover, I managed to get it working. the bottle opener on a Gerber dime does the trick. I don't have to worry about the gas system getting screwed up either. because it would take three men and a horse to adjust it without a churchkey or gas nut wrench.



    I'm editing these posts a ton as I think of things to add to them...
    I'm currently backing a gent by the tag "Lear70"who makes adapters, bits and bobs, and random widgets for FALs and other guns. who is designing and manufacturing a yugo-to-paraFAL adapter in order to mount a Magpul Zhukov adjustable AK stock to a ParaFAL.








    « Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 09:38:00 PM by Roper1911 »
    North Carolina"it has two fire modes, safe, and most decidedly unsafe"
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    Yes. When the question is 1911, the answer is "yes". ~HVS

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    Re: PARA FAL range report
    « Reply #4 on: February 26, 2017, 10:16:14 PM »
    Words cannot adequately convey my jealousy. That is the exact rifle (minus the carry handle) that I've been lusting after since I first shot a FAL... geez, about a year and a half ago? It's been that long? Regardless, congrats on the new rifle.

    If you're not keen on the stock, DSA announced a new folding & collapsing buttstock at SHOT. It looks kinda like a hybrid of a SCAR and ACR buttstock.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 26, 2017, 10:53:46 PM »
    Words cannot adequately convey my jealousy. That is the exact rifle (minus the carry handle) that I've been lusting after since I first shot a FAL... geez, about a year and a half ago? It's been that long? Regardless, congrats on the new rifle.

    If you're not keen on the stock, DSA announced a new folding & collapsing buttstock at SHOT. It looks kinda like a hybrid of a SCAR and ACR buttstock.
    lear will beat them to the market by months and be $100-150 cheaper. and lear's doesn't block the ejection port even with it all the way open.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 26, 2017, 10:59:40 PM »
    Lear? Never heard of them.

    EDIT: Nevermind. Disregard. Reading comprehension and short-term memory seem to be a bit lacking tonight.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 26, 2017, 11:17:18 PM »
    it's okay.
    You'd be surprised what a group of pissed off engineers and machinists can do when they can't find what they want on the market.
    there's a bunch of guys who have started manufacturing PARA springs because the two main US providers (DSA and Falcon) don't do it right.
    DSA uses a slightly thinner spring wire and Falcon just ignores the engineers and uses stainless without beefing up the wire to compensate for the additional weakness of the material.
    heck- they have a guy who had a hundred carry handle fillers cut to match the profile of the receiver because he didn't like the round washer types.

    they are the pettiest, most ingenuitive, and most singular minded group of lunitics I've ever met.
    god bless them.

    Edit:
    to put it to you this way- there is a guy who manufactured his own ambi mag release because he didn't like DSA's...
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    Yes. When the question is 1911, the answer is "yes". ~HVS

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    « Reply #8 on: February 26, 2017, 11:51:32 PM »
    it's okay.
    You'd be surprised what a group of pissed off engineers and machinists can do when they can't find what they want on the market.
    there's a bunch of guys who have started manufacturing PARA springs because the two main US providers (DSA and Falcon) don't do it right.
    DSA uses a slightly thinner spring wire and Falcon just ignores the engineers and uses stainless without beefing up the wire to compensate for the additional weakness of the material.
    heck- they have a guy who had a hundred carry handle fillers cut to match the profile of the receiver because he didn't like the round washer types.

    they are the pettiest, most ingenuitive, and most singular minded group of lunitics I've ever met.
    god bless them.

    Edit:
    to put it to you this way- there is a guy who manufactured his own ambi mag release because he didn't like DSA's...

    Where did you find this unlikely gang of singular minded, OCD, FAL rainmen? The FAL files forum?

    I'm curious, even though I don't own a FAL yet, I'd love to see what they have come up with.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 27, 2017, 12:03:07 AM »
    Looks nice.  I also have a rifle built by them,  mine was out an STG-58 kit though.    It's been a great gun.   I do wish it had a flashhider instead of a brake on it,  but I bought it back in 2001 so that wasn't an option at the time.   
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    « Reply #10 on: February 27, 2017, 12:04:02 AM »
    Yep FALfiles. There are specifically three or four guys who do most of the stuff.

    There used to be a few guys who did really really nice wooden furniture for the FAL. But both of them quit. (Blue monster and flypaper. Their furniture catches 400-530 a set now. It's really top end stuff.)
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    « Reply #11 on: February 27, 2017, 12:17:30 AM »
    One of my friends bought a FAL a few months ago. Didn't have a chance to shoot it until a couple days ago. Every single round failed to eject. We tried a few things, and after some head scratching, noticed the ejector was not where it was supposed to be. Just a shiny area where it had snapped off. This was supposedly a new rifle, and he bought it from an FFL. He took it back, and we will see what they do for him.

    I'm sure it would be a fun gun if it shot properly.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 27, 2017, 12:34:55 AM »
    Nice rifle! 

    The FAL platform does not excite me, but still a fine looking weapon. :thumbup1
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    « Reply #13 on: February 27, 2017, 01:04:53 AM »
    Is it ok to shoot steel in these? seeing as they mangle brass.
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    « Reply #14 on: February 27, 2017, 06:51:33 AM »
    Is it ok to shoot steel in these? seeing as they mangle brass.

    She seems to mangle brass during ejection. So I'd say yes.
    Most of the mangling is from it slapping the cases against the side of the receiver and flattening one side of the neck
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    « Reply #15 on: February 27, 2017, 09:57:16 PM »
    Outstanding looks like a good gun.
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    « Reply #16 on: February 27, 2017, 10:03:26 PM »
    Outstanding looks like a good gun.
    I'm very happy with her.

    FAL's are contagious though, and they spread rapidly....

    ...I already have money I'm starting to set aside for another one...  :-[
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    « Reply #17 on: February 27, 2017, 10:06:39 PM »
    Well i hope you enjoy her as much as i did, she is a great shooter, but she wasn't really what i was wanting, it was a compromise when i bought her. She will serve you well. I'm still looking to get my M1A in the future.
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    « Reply #18 on: February 27, 2017, 11:08:12 PM »
      Purty gun.

    I just acquired an Imbel 21" build.  Loving having a FAL again.   Making me get all kinds of itchy to get an L1A1 now.

       
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    « Reply #19 on: February 28, 2017, 08:00:47 AM »
      Purty gun.

    I just acquired an Imbel 21" build.  Loving having a FAL again.   Making me get all kinds of itchy to get an L1A1 now.

       
    There's a guy selling an enterprise L1A1 receiver and L1A1 parts kit for 1500 in the marketplace.
    My next is going to be another carbine. 16" this time, with ironwood design furniture. I might try to run down a Superfly or blue monster machine forend though. Ironwood uses threaded bushings set into the wood instead of metal brackets.
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    « Reply #20 on: February 28, 2017, 08:27:17 AM »
      Yeah that's pretty up there for me.   I'm keeping my eye open there's been a fair number of $1000-$1100 L1A1's built on century receivers, there was a pair on GB, one Canadian, one Brit, the two for $1700.   I wish I'd have snapped them up.

       Century receivers don't have a good rep, but once they're working, they continue working, they're sometimes just hard to tune initially, and if the build is from a reputable smith (Ce on the files for one) I will get one with a cheaper receiver.
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    « Reply #21 on: February 28, 2017, 08:32:10 AM »
    As soon as I get my rental house paid off in a few months, I really need to finish those extra kits I have been sitting on for 15 years. 
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    « Reply #22 on: February 28, 2017, 08:39:42 AM »
    As soon as I get my rental house paid off in a few months, I really need to finish those extra kits I have been sitting on for 15 years. 
    What are you valuing them at?
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    « Reply #23 on: March 02, 2017, 06:21:57 PM »
    I ran to the range today and shot some supported.


    I squeezed her for a little better then 2 MOA. Right around 1.7 after I stopped screwing around with the sling.
    (Those are two separate 7 round groups. Shot at about 70 yards)
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    « Reply #24 on: March 02, 2017, 08:30:12 PM »
    I ran to the range today and shot some supported.


    I squeezed her for a little better then 2 MOA. Right around 1.7 after I stopped screwing around with the sling.
    (Those are two separate 7 round groups. Shot at about 70 yards)
    yes she is a shooter...
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