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New (old stock) Chinese SKS or re-furbished Russian?
« on: February 05, 2011, 03:09:27 PM »
So, I've been thinking of picking up an SKS as a beater gun for a couple of years, but the prices over $200 turned me off.  Lately though, on the Canadian market, there has been a glut of these guns, bringing the prices down to a more palatable level.  I can pick up a case of ammo locally for $200.  The choice is between an arsenal rebuilt Russian rifle, and  Chinese original from the 1960's.

I've already got the go ahead from the minister of finance, what do you guys think?

The Russian:

http://www.shop.tradeexcanada.com/content/russian-simonov-sks-rifle-762x39

The Chinese:

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/CHINESE-MILITARY-SKS.shtm
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Re: New (old stock) Chinese SKS or re-furbished Russian?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 04:33:15 PM »
  Russian.   Just gotta be better russian  ;D  Then again, I'm speaking as an American where Russian SKS' bring even more than the already inflated prices of normal SKS.

Do you know if the Russian is chrome lined?     

I've got a Norinco SKS and it's a good gun.   I don't shoot it much, but accurate enough, about 2-2.5" at 75 yards and that is probably worse than it will do, considering it's "me" with iron sights.

 

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Re: New (old stock) Chinese SKS or re-furbished Russian?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 07:11:02 PM »
Yeppers, supposed to be chrome bored.  Thing is, I'm pretty sure it's a post-soviet re-build, so...  Kind of leaning away from it for that reason.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 07:46:01 PM »
Don't know about the Russian but I had a Chinese and it was a good gun. First rifle I ever bought. Acceptably accurate for what it was, and always reliable.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 08:29:23 PM »
seanp,

Sorry I don't have any experience with the SKS, so I can't answer your question. i will say in the States, Russian models bring higher prices than any Chinese model, but I suppose that is demand driven more so than a quality issue (i.e. more buyers chasing fewer Russian rifles).

However, looking at some of the other rifles offered at that first link though, wow. Swiss 1911 rifles for under $300. Diopter sighted 1896 Swedes for $300. Chinese M-14 at $449. Us American gun owners really need to do something about our import laws that are keeping some interesting and reasonably priced firearms out of our hands.

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2011, 02:39:46 AM »
Hey Rob,

I'm pretty sure that it is US import laws that make these rifles inexpensive in Canada.  There's just not a lot of other markets out there.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2011, 02:06:18 AM »
I put a lot of rounds through a Norinco SKS and I really can't say anything bad about it.  It was made well and had surprisingly good fit and finish - for an SKS of course.  The current owner tore it apart and put a synthetic stock on it and mounted a scope etc but it's still out there shooting and shooting well.  That gun has probably had close to 10k rounds through it when I owned it.  That's back in the good old days when you could buy a case of 7.62 for your AK or SKS for under 100 bucks.

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2011, 03:04:05 PM »
I think either the Russian or the Chinese would fit the bill for your beater gun.  I  have a Norinco, and a Romanian one.  I believe the Romanian one is very similar to the Russian.   I kind of like the Romanian one a little bit better, but there really isn't much difference I can tell, and both are very reliable and decent shooters for what they are.  Romanian one (like the Russian ones) has a blade bayonet, the Chinese a spike.  The wood stock on the Romanian one is heavily lacquered and one day I'll strip it down and refinish it.  Underneath it's a nice, rich dark burgandy color.  Seems to be more solid to me than whatever kind of blond wood is in the Chinese.  The bolt carrier and handle on the Chinese one is made of something different than the Romanian one.  Romanian = shiny silvery steel of some kind, maybe chromed?  Chinese Norinco bolt carrier is a dull gray steel.  Not better or worse, just different.  Both the Romanian and Chinese ones have chromed bores, as does the Russian.

So, I think either'd do you just fine.  Do you seem to just like one of them more over the other?

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2011, 03:17:54 PM »
I have a Russian, it's much better than the Yugos my friends have. Don't know about the Chicoms.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2011, 04:11:45 PM »
So, I think either'd do you just fine.  Do you seem to just like one of them more over the other?

The more I think about it, the more I think that all things being equal, I like the russian just because it is russian.  I might  choose it simply for that reason.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2011, 12:51:30 AM »
The Russian SKSs I've handled seem to me to be built somewhat sturdier than the Chinese versions, particularly the late 80s-early 90s models built by Norinco for the US commercial market. And some of those supposedly had heat-treat problems with internal parts, with a few cases of broken sears and hammers. Or so I've heard.

That said: My SKS is a 1992-vintage Norinco, and I've never had any trouble with it.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2011, 01:51:11 PM »
Well, he who hesitates is lost, and I lost.

Tradex sold out of the Russians.

So I said fzzuk it and ordered one of the Chinese ones and a case of ammo.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 11:38:50 PM »
Seanp-  No worries there.  Just clean it up and shoot it.

Xsqidgator-  Just an FYI, if that Romanian one is in good/excellent shape and all numbers matching, be gentle with it.  It's a fairly rare specimen.
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 03:52:39 PM »
Arrgghhh.

I should have ordered the Russian right off the bat.

The guys that were selling the Russians are the ones I ordered the ammo off of.  It's already here!

The rifle is not.

Guys, I will be honest.  This is the first gun I have bought in three years.  So my palms are sweaty, and I want it right now.  I'm practically bouncing up and down.

Weird note about the ammo:  I have been hearing rumors that surplus ammo coming into Canada now has to be repackaged with consumer labels, etc...  No doubt another ploy to make it more expensive to shoot here.

Well, the rumors seem to be true.  My case of surplus Czech 7.62x39 was delivered with all Czech markings on the outside of the crate spray painted out.  On the inside I found a '93 inspection sticker, but all of the ammo had been liberated from the original tin can and repackaged in individual stripper clips in plastic vaccu-bags with consumer labeling.

Now the consumer packaging indicates that this ammo might have come in via Montreal which may explain it.  Quebec often interprets federal law differently than the other provinces, and there are reports that ammo coming in from other ports has not also been messed with in this way.

It's a shame.  The original Czech surplus is great stuff.  The crate is literally bomb proof.  It's a half inch thick wooden crate that shelters a galvanized tin "pouch" that is soldered closed, and wrapped in tar paper.  Inside the pouch the boxed ammo is wrapped in tar paper too.

They apperantly used to check each crate in war stocks and stamp approval every ten years.

What makes it great is that in the original crate, you can count on each round to fire, even if it is over sixty years olds and has been stored poorly.

Needless to say, I plan on firing the vaccu-packed stuff first.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2011, 08:54:12 AM »
Seanp-  No worries there.  Just clean it up and shoot it.

Xsqidgator-  Just an FYI, if that Romanian one is in good/excellent shape and all numbers matching, be gentle with it.  It's a fairly rare specimen.


Fwiw as of yesterday another small batch of Romanian SKS rifles seems to be in, and for $10 less than I paid last Fall for mine.  I've bought from Classic Arms one or two owners ago and they were decent folk then, anyway, if you'd like to get one for yourself:
www.classicarms.us


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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2011, 09:24:39 AM »
The rifle arrived today and I've got to say, it's bittersweet.

The Cons first:

1.  I was immediately reminded why I haven't bought a lot from Marstar over the last few years.  The price they list on their site is always the "bare bones" price that does not include shipping or tax.  Both of which are added after you order and can come as a bit of a shock.  So instead of costing me $189, this SKS cost $250.  I understand, it's the cost of doing business, but I'd like to be told the total cost at the time of order, rather than when I get the bill with the gun when Canada Post is on my doorstep.  Like the last thing I bought from them:  An $8 chest rig that cost me $30 in S&H and tax.

2.  These rifles ship without anything.  No sling, not ammo pouches, only an oil bottle and one - just one - stipper clip.  Good thing that the case of ammo I got from the other place (shipping included in price) is all loaded onto stripper clips.

3.  These rifles have been promoted as "authentic" Chinese war stocks and not civilian export models.  They sure are.  While there are clearly some parts that are better made than Norinco comercial models that I have handled, overall build quality is just not that much better.  Not to mention the fact that they have been in storage for something like fifty odd years, so there are numerous stock dings, and corrosion bubbles under the finish on the metal.  Not unexpected, but dissapointing on a premium SKS offering.

4.  The LOP is startlingly short.  I'd guess maybe eleven and a half inches.  I have to actively "suck it in" shouldering the rifle.  That could be a problem.

So are those four problems a deal breaker?

Maybe.

I'd like to clean it up and shoot it first.  But in order to take advantage of the company's "ironclad return guaruntee" I have to ship it back within 30 days of the original purchase, and I don't see myself going out to shoot it if the weather remains this bad within this time frame.

The only thing that is really bothering me is the short stock.  I'll give it a few days...
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2011, 10:07:26 PM »
Just remember that shooting a too short LOP longarm is much easier than a too long LOP(So long as it's not punching you in the nose with your thumb that's around the wrist)
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