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M14 - M1A Rifles
« on: January 22, 2009, 11:50:20 PM »
I've thought about writing on this subject for a while. In searching their history I found several good articles through out the net so I won't take too much time with that. Let's suffice it to say that everything started with John C. Garand and his celebrated M1 rifle. Post WWII there were requests for improvement. For the most part more ammunition capacity and a detachable magazine was wanted. The question was how to do it. Once again they turned to Mr. Garand. He gave them his initial drawings but in them the rifle was still chambered in .30-06 and that wasn't what was really wanted by the time said drawings arrived. You see, one of the other men on the project was working on a new ammunition based on the .30-06 but shorter, lighter (some what) but performed almost identically to the .30-06. Of course that was the 7.62x51 NATO or the .308 Win.

When examining the action there was very little that needed to be changed. The trigger guard needed to be opened up for the magazine and a retention system added. Not that difficult. Make the magazine rock into place so there is a place for it to be held front and rear. Little need be done to the receiver for that to happen. Minor changes in the original machining process and you have it.

We can always use a higher rate of fire in a battle rifle. That's a given. So we have the first major change in the rifle. On the exposed right locking lug they simply added a steel roller. Keep it lubed and it will serve you well. Since we took the metal to metal friction out of the picture on this side the action is much cycles faster.

There was a function on the M14 that doesn't exist on the civilian version. That is the selection knob. Sure you still had the same safety lever as the M1. The trigger mech still functioned the same as the M1. But now with the M14 on the back of the receiver we have a knob that by turning to one setting or the other one can choose between the M1's semi-auto and the new full auto. This effectively gave us the worlds only battle rifle that dueled as a squad automatic weapon. Of course for the civilian market this feature was never added.

These are fantastic rifles that just never quit. They're built tough as a tank. I've worked with ones that had seen action in Vietnam, therefore having the full auto knob, That still shot remarkably well. With a good shock bedding job these rifles are still used as sniper/ dedicated marksman rifles. They're great for shots up to 800 meters depending on the quality of the bedding job and the person behind the trigger. I've watched Marine Scout Snipers with these rifles make up to 1000 meter shots with these accurately. Of course at that range you are trying for minute of human not head shots.

There's enough room in the receivers of the M1, M14, M1A to take a beating and keep on ticking. They were a favorite of service men in Vietnam. When other rifles just wouldn't work the M14 just kept going and actually saved lives because it was often the only rifle still running in the squad but that's a story for another day.

Naturally a clean rifle is a happy rifle. Everyone that will ever come in contact with this article will already know that. So I won't go on about that. One thing I to want to discuss is lube. From the days of the M1 Garand these rifles were designed to run with grease. The biggest place for this is the Operation Rod Spring. The easiest way to apply it is to put a liberal glob on the op rod where the spring enters it. Then slowly spin the spring through the grease until it is fully seated. Clear the excess away and use it elsewhere.

These rifles are built so well there is little that goes wrong with them. It would be a good idea to keep a couple Op Rod Springs on hand. This will be the first thing to wear out and when it does it caused problems throughout the action. You see it is this spring that closes the action after it's been fired or upon loading. If this spring doesn't have enough strength the action wont close all the way, the action is disconnected, and will not fire. That spring is everything. One other to keep things flowing nicely is the extractor spring. They rarely wear out but cause problems when they do. A replacement is a good idea.

Keep it clean, including the piston (no oil or grease on the piston ever). A bronze brush is the easiest way to keep the piston alive and well.

Ok, we're done here. You are now all but experts on the M1 down to the M1A. Hope you enjoyed the article and found it informative.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 01:58:57 PM by Gundoctor »

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    Re: M14 - M1A Rifles
    « Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 12:46:47 AM »
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    Hope you enjoyed the article and found it informative.
    I did, indeed.  Thank you.   :clap
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    « Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 10:29:45 PM »
    I appreciate it, George.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 11:10:11 PM »
    I would love to see a write up like this about other rifles.  For example, I'd love to know what part on my AK will be the first to go.  Very well done.  If I ever bought an M-14, I'd copy and paste this article to my lap top for personal use.
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    « Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 11:14:59 PM »
    I would love to see a write up like this about other rifles.  For example, I'd love to know what part on my AK will be the first to go.  Very well done.  If I ever bought an M-14, I'd copy and paste this article to my lap top for personal use.

    Thanks much, Khorne. I'll work on an AK article. I can tell you the list of parts to have will be even shorter. Come to think of it I'm not sure what I would put on the list. I'll start on it.

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    « Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 11:20:23 PM »
    Thanks much, Khorne. I'll work on an AK article. I can tell you the list of parts to have will be even shorter. Come to think of it I'm not sure what I would put on the list. I'll start on it.

    I managed to wear out the trigger/hammer/disconnector on my AK by bump firing it from the shoulder by milking the trigger. It turned itself into a release trigger. :o

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    « Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 11:24:16 PM »
    I managed to wear out the trigger/hammer/disconnector on my AK by bump firing it from the shoulder by milking the trigger. It turned itself into a release trigger. :o


    Well sure if you abuse it, it will wear out... :neener
    I already had that one covered. I'll get everything put to gether and up ASAP.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 11:27:54 PM »
    The AR article will have 7 pages of parts.   :neener
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    « Reply #8 on: January 24, 2009, 02:24:03 AM »
    The AR article will have 7 pages of parts.   :neener
    Very funny... :neener

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    « Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 07:13:05 PM »
    I have an M-1A National Match and a 1903A3 Springfield. Both are very accurate and a pleasure to shoot.
    Real rifles are made from wood and steel, have iron sights and are fine tools.

    Great article!
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    « Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 07:47:51 PM »
    Thank you.

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    « Reply #11 on: February 07, 2009, 03:44:41 PM »
    I enjoyed the read thanks.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 07, 2009, 03:48:26 PM »
    Okay, AK is too easy, what about a CETME/G3?  I got one of them and I could use a good PMCS breakdown of the thing.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 07, 2009, 05:13:42 PM »
    Okay, AK is too easy, what about a CETME/G3?  I got one of them and I could use a good PMCS breakdown of the thing.
    Sorry, PMCS??? Not familier with that one. Glad to put something together for it though.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 09, 2009, 03:55:21 PM »
    PMCS? I smell an Old Grunt here!

    I'm an Old Grunt so Preventive Maintenance Checks & Services is well understood.  ;D
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    « Reply #15 on: February 28, 2009, 12:37:02 AM »
    A gun rag article that would make me want to buy a gun rag:  "Shoot out: the M1A vs. the FAL vs. the CETME/G3"

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    « Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 07:08:53 PM »
    Question:  With what substance is the op-rod for a Garand best lubed with?  And where could aforementioned lubricant be found?
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    « Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 07:28:59 PM »
    Question:  With what substance is the op-rod for a Garand best lubed with?  And where could aforementioned lubricant be found?

    It was made to be lubed with grease. Brownells or MidwayUSA usually has a couple different brands. RIG grease is a good brand.

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    « Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 07:41:03 PM »
    Thank You very much Gundoctor.
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    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 07:43:06 PM »
    any time.

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    « Reply #20 on: September 04, 2009, 04:06:42 PM »
    What is the main difference between a semi M14 and a Mil M14, Fulton's etc.

    I know that the main difference between the M4 and the M4geries is the addition of metal in the rear of the lower receiver, but what makes the M14 look alike non auto?.

    Other than that, what would it take some one to rechamber it for .243 other than the new barrel, would it require Gas port tunning or would it just require weaker springs?

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    « Reply #21 on: September 04, 2009, 06:00:12 PM »
    I've been thinking of a new gun and many people suggest the M-14 family.  How is its accuracy compared to other weapons of its caliber?
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    « Reply #22 on: September 04, 2009, 06:58:28 PM »
    A good bolt gun will be more accurate at a much lower price.  As fore semi-autos the AR is probably a bit more mechanically accurate, but from a practical stand point the M1A is superior to shoot.  A decent M1A will keep up with even the best commercial ARs in the accuracy department.

    The irons on the M1A are, IMHO, are some of the best put on any rifle, but scope mounting can be easier on an AR.  The M1A requires a special mount.

    I have seen HKs print some decent groups, but scope mounting options are limited.  FALs are fantastic implements of battle, but a precision instrument it is not.

    The FNARs I have seen are quite accurate, but the fuggly look and proprietary mags put me off a bit.

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    « Reply #23 on: September 29, 2009, 10:41:27 PM »
    I guess I own one that went the other way.   Springfield (Not sure of the year of manufacture) M1 Garand.  Target hooded sights with narrow front.  Glass beded stock and barreled in the 308 or 7.62x51.  No barrel markings, and I suspect one of the Navy target builds.   I use the same clips as the 06, and no glitches on feeding and fuction.   Very accurate!

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    « Reply #24 on: October 25, 2009, 04:58:44 PM »
    Are m1a's downgrade m14's, or are they civilian makes?

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