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Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« on: June 02, 2010, 01:22:57 AM »
  Okay, just in preperation.

  A M14S stumbled across TFL boards....$850 including a USGI bolt.

   I have a feeling it's already spoke for, but I emailed the guy anyway, asking for pics and some questions.

     As I get the pics, I'll put them up here. Anyway.

I asked these questions:
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First, any particular reason you are parting with it?  I ask because
I remember (and found) the thread where you said you had acquired it.

Second:  The USGI bolt, I assume it is not installed.

Thirdly, concerning the USGI bolt, what is the manufacturer, and has
it been modified (attempted lapping for installaion)?

  Any followup questions?  Anything to look at?

 This is highly preliminary, but I'm wanting to line everything up IN CASE...I'm "first in line",etc. and the like.

   I'm kinda pinched for money at the moment, but I'm selling two cows next week, and if I drop the 180B enough it'll sell eventually.   

I just had to seriously enquire though.  Unless something's royally )*()@@ up, a M14S and GI bolt for $850 is a good buy.  Too good to pass up.

P.S.  Hence why I think "something" must be wrong.    Although the guy has done business before with seemingly good review. 
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 01:52:31 AM »
If it was installed, find out who did it. Assuming no issues, that price is right for a Poly and a USGI bolt, uninstalled. If it kis installed properly, it's a great deal.

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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 08:20:16 AM »
Okay, in response:

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The USGI bolt is not installed, I actually got it from a friend of mine before I got the gun because I read all th stuff about soft bolts.  It does not have any name on the bolt, it just has numbers: 7790186 66118-B  It is used and shows some finish wear.  The reasons I am selling the gun are:
And in testing the gun:
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I took it to out right after I got it and fired six rounds through it (the exact number of 308 rounds I owned) it worked fine, the brass looked good, and into the safe it went.


Considering the bolt isn't installed....good deal...yes?   Considering it is used....But I think alot of the GI bolts are used, correct?

   I replied and said I'd think on it till this evening. 
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 08:56:40 AM »
P.S.

Seems to be a winchester bolt:
http://www.eotacforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15724

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USGI M14 bolts made by Winchester have its CAGE Code, 66118, on the second line whether stamped 7790185 or 7790186 on the first line. Textile Machine Works M14 bolts can have the manufacturer code, HRT, either on the first line or the second line of the bolt markings.
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 09:15:26 AM »
Yeah, I'd be leery if the bolt was installed. Too many people screw that up, ruining a non-renewable resource (GI bolts).

I love my Poly. It's my favorite firearm, by far, and nicer than any SAI M1A. I have a Norinco that's going to get worked over eventually, but it's not as nicely finished as the Polytech.
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 02:10:17 PM »
  Not installed so that's a plus...

 I dunno.  Still thinking on it...Considering that just the bolts themselves seem to be worth $250....

 Quite a bit to shell out...But:  I'm gonna want one anyway.  I decided awhile ago that a Polytech/GI bolt would put me better than a Springfield.    I've already got .308 ammo....

  And at the very least, I probably could get the $850 from it in the future.....

  The decision will be mine, but whattya think?  ;D
 
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2010, 03:46:08 PM »
Do it. Then ship it to Warbird or SEI for the bolt conversion and trigger job. Keep the chicom barrel and unitize the gas system. Add some NM sights and it will build into quite the shooter, much better than a SAI.
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2010, 06:29:54 PM »
  Okay...I'm decided...

I'm emailing him now with "I'll take it" *Cringes as money flows from hands*.

    It won't be going to Warbird for awhile.....Not until more cash mysteriously shows up from somewhere...Man I have been hoping the 180B would sell.  Might hafta drop the price again.

   I haven't contacted him, but I will probably go with Warbird.

  I emailed SEI and...uh..Fulton?  Both REQUIRED a new barrel installed.  I'll be Damned if I am going to buy a barrel when I don't need it. 

Anyway...We'll see how I like it....Lol, I don't even know why I did it....Like I NEED another expensive ammo-gobbler....
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2010, 06:43:35 PM »
I had SEI do mine, and Ron didn't require a new barrel. He's a surly old man, but I still have the chicom barrel. I wonder what changed in his shop?  :hmm
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2010, 11:58:02 PM »
Good deal. You made the right choice. Even if you end up having to unload the rifle, you won't lose money, unless there is something undisclosed wrong with it. Matter of fact, you could probably turn around a re-sell it and make a profit.

I'll second Warbirds. Tim does good work.

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 02:59:31 PM »
 Okay. just a few quick notes.   I just had a bit to minutely examine the rifle.  It just arrived...yay..I think...

  ANyway. A few points:
 #1. The "USGI bolt" is actually a STRIPPED...USGI bolt.  So the question:  Can the extractor, firing pin,etc. everything other than the body, be bought at reasonable prices? or cheaper to just buy a complete bolt?

#2.  When the bolt is fully retracted, if you pull up on the handle, the bolt will lock back...I don't really see what's catching, although I think the top of the lugs might be contacting the receiver....Normal? or not?

 Other than that, it looks in good shape.   It came with a scope mount marked "Military Armament Corp", which apparently also made the MAC10s...so quality, who knows, it seems to fit solid, so nothing much loc-tite can't fix.

     
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2010, 03:02:36 PM »
Bolt parts are easy to come by. Fulton has chromed firing pins and (stainless, I think) extractors.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 10:50:03 PM »
 Okay, had a chance to look it over better.

First: thanks.  I didn't know, and figured I should put the question out there about bolt parts, just in case ;)

   Anyway: The gun.  Good shape, probably had a few rounds through it, however nothing looks worn.  The bolt looks identical to a USGI bolt.  I know that ain't garunteeing it's safe, but it isn't...uhh...curved...like I saw a picture of one set of lugs  ;D

  I'd like to headspace it, but humm...no locals have 7.62 Nato gauges, only .308.  :banghead :banghead   Most I'd be able to test would be a 308 field gauge, if it didn't close on it, it would be okay to shoot.  So...no-fire.  I THINK...it'd be okay for a few rounds..but I dunno.  I'd hate to accidentally ruin something that couldn't be fixed....

   The USGI bolt looks to have a little wear, more then the Chinese bolt (That said, I don't think the Chicom bolt's had more than 20 rounds.  I put more wear marks by me cycling it).

  Scope mount...didn't know that MAC produced M14 scope mounts.  Look like the ones out of CTD awhile ago.  That said, it does lock up tight, so loc-tite will hold it on.  Two screw holes, one in the receiver, the other onto the stripper clip guide.

    I don't know when I'll get ahold of Warbirds for the conversion job.   I might ask in advance if I buy the bolt parts and send them with the rifle, or if he would just install the needed pieces.
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2010, 10:20:13 PM »
  Ok, I was looking around and lo and behold..

Forster: 7.62 Nato maximum headspace gauges 1.6455 $32 including shipping...Considering that any gunsmith I'd find probably would charge $20-$30 to check headspace...

Is it actually worth having a headspace gauge?  I know alot of people say "Check religiously"....But considering I probably will take....3? years to burn a thousand rounds per gun...Is one needed?  

EDIT P.S:  My mind changes fast.

Apparently we gotta make a trip to the gunsmith's town anyway tomorrow so I called him.  he's got .308 field gauges.  At least we'll check and see if it's in .308 specs and he ain't gonna charge.

  *sigh*, now I gotta put up with him  ::)  he does good work, even if it's something he doesn't like...but ya gotta listen to him...he just went on a 5 minute rant about "Oh those chinese M14's are junk.  A guy brought one in and..." blah,blah,blah....

Then again, what can you expect from an AR10 builder  :neener  *hides from George and the Crusader Crew*.
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2010, 08:53:47 AM »
 Calling all Arizona members:

Ever heard of "FulL Canopy Armory" in Flagstaff?
http://www.fullcanopyarmory.com/

On some M14 bolt conversion thread I came across the link, and just now, I had the owner post on perfectunion.

I dunno...Ain't heard of him, but at least one person was happy (And now I can't find the thread).   
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Re: Experts be ready (Polytech M14S opinions)
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2010, 06:19:23 PM »
 Wayeell....

My headspace gauge arrived....and the gun'll have to go to Warbird.

NOt just that...I'm a "bit" worried about the gun..... period.   The headspace gauge won't go under the extractor on the M14 bolt...So it fully chambers the NATO field reject gauge.....and it's riding ON TOP the extractor  :o   Now that's alotta headspace.       I didn't fire, but 7.62 Nato rounds do slip under the extractor.

I checked my FAL, and the gauge slips under it's extractor (Also the FAL passed the headspace test with a great plenty to spare). 

So I dunno....that's alot more headspace than I'd expect, but.  I'll get ahold of Warbird again and send an email asking when I can ship it off.

 
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