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« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2015, 12:57:05 PM »
Here is picture of  375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
He is going to make couple later  necked down to 416, and 458.
There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.



Here is a picture of our poster  Biebs on AR,  585 HE,  in a MPI stock.
He used a big Enfield action, with a  fancy jeweled bolt.



We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can even feed really
long overall length loaded cases,  like 4.5" long or more, if you are
using long pointed bullets for real long range target and hunting work.
One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is  Stiller Cheytac actions
made similar, just a  newer version. Both actions come in  1.45" diameter
 and a 1.60" diameter receivers. 

And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work, decent prices, has 
these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He has, working with
another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good working, single
stack, center feed, magazine..He has one of  our 585 HE reamers on hand,
we have barrels, cases, and reloading dies..Ed



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    « Reply #51 on: October 17, 2015, 08:41:00 PM »
    Sweet!   :cool
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    « Reply #52 on: October 21, 2015, 08:29:13 PM »
    Yeah, that's just awesome.  :thumbup1
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    « Reply #53 on: November 09, 2015, 07:05:07 PM »


    Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE
    in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First  laminated  thumbhole stock.
    Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail
    like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture.
    The scope rail is a piccatiny type.





    The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just add recoil
    block ahead of recoil inleting  for the longer action, drill new screw hole
    Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer cases and mag.

    About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some don't like the
    sporterizing, welding  bottom metal straight. Many think straightening
    is a huge job needing special jigs. Easier just use one being added on for a jig
    with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top weld, then cut old
    extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel, then weld bottom.
    When we bolt the short piece on the one we are straightening, we grind
    the short slant off so the added piece lays on there flat.
    The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for the next one!!!
    Just keep on building...Ed



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    « Reply #54 on: December 09, 2015, 02:21:12 AM »
    Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
    On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
    and shape it so  debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
    weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
    Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
    like a compact UTG sight...



    If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can use sight
    like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate stock.
    He will have it checkered,  sanded,  with fancy finish.



    Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
    a guy in Canada.  Its straight back,  high comb
    stock, handles recoil great... Ed




    More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR Uppers,
    Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
    One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
    Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
    to simulate pistol  recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
    that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
    Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
    Or rolling block rifles and  pistols....Ed

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    « Reply #55 on: December 26, 2015, 01:15:38 AM »
    Here is a picture from the back,  of a big Lawton action that
    our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
    for long range shooting.



    Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
    585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
    He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the 375.





    In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
    By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
    Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site. Ed



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    « Reply #56 on: December 27, 2015, 12:07:35 AM »
    Nice.  That .375 looks bad - a**.   :cool
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    « Reply #57 on: January 24, 2016, 06:50:45 PM »
    A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''..
    That is neat term , and very glad  that folks are catching the big bore fever.

    Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized
    bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges also.Including shotguns.
     I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also come with flat
    bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on top.



    Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys  put in the MPI stock..






    On straight sided cases  like our 585 HE the die set has a mouth expander
    die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the mouth, but I always
    felt that doing what is really a relative relatively sharp flare, and then the slight
    roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on the
    bullet or slug, shortens case life.

    So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand, using just the bottom of
    of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble it around a small
    amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good for dozens of loads,
    with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few seconds and less
    work that has to be done in the press ... Ed




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    « Reply #58 on: February 12, 2016, 10:17:30 PM »



    Here is  video by Corlanes Sporting,  Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
    Known as  Rocky Mtn Rifle.  Video is on Youtube of  testing our
    585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
    shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..



     Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for a guy,
    the second one they built. First one killed the buff pictured earlier .
    AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
    Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for  585HE..



    Picture of Rossi singleshot with 585 barrel mono-blocked  into it,
    chambered for our 585 BB  2.17" case, for testing in a light rifle
    with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
    put case in leverguns,  autoloaders. We got lots  of cases. Ed



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    « Reply #59 on: March 17, 2016, 08:10:25 PM »


    The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest,  that we
    we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
    in them like .585" bore for 585HE  and  24ga FH.. One that is close
    that we have, is the Magtech.

     Well the guys have  found one that is super strong lockup and  looks
    real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
    soon  be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH,  the little brother of the 585HE.

    Told company if they did them NEFUltra style, rifled, heavy 12ga slug barrel,
    for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.




    Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that  Bret and Darrel in Minn
    set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
    reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed



    Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted the short Weaver
    rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the actions have;
    Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes.. Ed



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    « Reply #60 on: April 14, 2016, 07:56:04 AM »
    We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
    Kind of a neat suppressor,




    Here is folder shotgun, the  guys set up as 24ga FH.
    Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break action,
    compared to many others.




    Here is another  view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
    break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.




    Here is picture of a  585HE  MRC PH a guy set up..




    Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc, with
     variety of bullets..Can get energy like regular elephant guns..Ed





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    « Reply #61 on: May 12, 2016, 01:06:30 AM »
    Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.



    Here is old  catalog picture of different stuff used in old days
    for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases



    Here is picture of a MN  a guy is  doing 585HE in..
    It is singleshot. Redid  bolt handle, mounted it on the bolt
    further back, so the port could be lengthened  for our long case.
    Also puts handle back where it is easier to grab.
    Needs, more shaping,  polishing, blueing, scope rail added.



    Here is another picture of the 585HE with great looking stock.
    Nice looking wood. Ed



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    « Reply #62 on: July 24, 2016, 12:52:17 AM »
     



    Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada.

    It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading,

    by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a

    Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported

    the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us,  through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB.


     



    That action similar to  Lawton we had and neighbor got,  that won the King Of The

    2 Mile shoot at Whittington,  with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made,

     from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right.

    He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod..

    Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED




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    « Reply #63 on: July 24, 2016, 01:42:08 AM »
     :cool  good looking stuff. 
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    « Reply #64 on: August 08, 2016, 10:32:24 AM »





    Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal Cartridge and Mitchell Fitzpatrick's win.......

     .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets.

    Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,

     Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms

     muzzle brake. Lawton  Action. Lethal Precision  his own  gunsmith  shop,  will make

    these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting..


    Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target,

    a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit.

    The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid performed great, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).






    Here is  585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy  Varmint Stock. These are super strong.

    The  butts of these can easily be weighted.  Couple guys doing them.......  Ed










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    « Reply #65 on: August 08, 2016, 10:35:57 AM »
    That's amazing  :thumbup1.
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    « Reply #66 on: October 02, 2016, 04:14:13 PM »



    Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering

    for our case as it came from production line,.




     I like Hogue stocks,  but they aren't made for singleshots.

    We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and  585HE.

    Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted

    a Hogue  1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and

    handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight,





    Here is picture of  585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the wildcat

    375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also. Ed




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    « Reply #67 on: October 02, 2016, 09:54:59 PM »
    SS12 Shotgun:

    http://www.fedarm.com/product/ss12-12-ga/

    Interesting folding 20" 12 bore single shot.   :hmm
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    « Reply #68 on: October 03, 2016, 05:16:57 PM »
    There's an outlaw nerve, way back in the back of my brain, that's wondering about building one of these on a good 20 gauge S/S double.  I'd need it like I need another armpit, and it would probably cost more that a nice house, but it sure would be fun to have one, I think.
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    « Reply #69 on: October 07, 2016, 10:14:56 PM »
    We got couple of those folding Fed Arm gunsm

    they look nice and real strong

    Going t o monoblock in  24ga rifled  barrels for 24ga FHs..

    For a double  24ga FH get  10-12 ga double and  cut  off barrels to make

    monoblock and put in 24ga rifled barrels..Ed

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    « Reply #70 on: January 07, 2017, 01:02:20 PM »
    Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in
    a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good job.


    Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book
    published  in Oct, now out for sale,




    We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made  by necking down our 585 HE.
    The other couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our own. It has different
    shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the other one...Got a bunch
    guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases,
    testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. King of 2 mile
    shoot last year really got the interest booming for  375 necked from our case,

    Here's how we size and seat 375 HE, a simple die, a 1" die, no huge dies needed
    A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
     pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch of dies for folks.

    I do primer work separate, not in the press.That way I can clean pocket, check
    flash hole,....... SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

    When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
     held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE
    the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.  About  .35" down.

    So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
    below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

    Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff  same thread,
     reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up,

    After priming, loading in the powder charge, we  carefully start(boat tail makes it easy)
     bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
     perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
    bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.

    These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
    bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special  dies.
    Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

    OVER 900 375HE  cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another
     bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

    All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide,
    for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed



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    « Reply #71 on: January 08, 2017, 03:31:19 PM »
    I'd be interested in finding out more about the "Indiana" loading.  Is there any published data out there for it?
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    « Reply #72 on: February 01, 2017, 08:22:23 AM »
    For short IN  case fill it full of H335 under minie bullet,

    Here is picture of  one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in

    Africa with  our 24ga FH he did on a NEF,  in 2nd picture








    Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for the top that

    are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind

    from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600  on

    another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere,

    We  also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun, starting with

    lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700,

    Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders needed

    to get that, and have info where to get powders.  Reamer prints are

    at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain... Ed


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    « Reply #73 on: March 12, 2017, 01:22:54 AM »
    Picture of fellows at Vestals Gunsmithing test firing  585 HE

    they built for a guy. They got 750 gr to almost 2800 from

    ultra short barrel, not a full load . A regular barrel  would be

     over  2900,  14000 ft lbs with full load..





    Picture of our 375 HE cases, with little 378 WEA on left.

    Middle case is with 330 gr, right case is  400gr bullet.




    Here is picture of out 375HE testgun, in heavy t-hole stock.

    So far 340 gr to 3700 and 360gr 3600.




    Next 416 HE target case, these run through the hydro-die,

    test gun done,will complete testing soon, to confirm specs.

    When specs set, info will be sent to reamer guys

    Soon will have  408 HE with specs set up also, for guys,

    Smaller case 416s and 408s can be reamed out for

    our  bigger case .Ed



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    « Reply #74 on: March 12, 2017, 01:44:43 AM »
    Thumper city!   :cool
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