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kodiak64

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Wolf primers
« on: March 23, 2009, 10:10:37 AM »
With the current shortage of popular brand primers and their exorbitant cost, I thought it would be a good time to evaluate Wolf primers. They cost considerably less and seem to be much more readily available. Have any of you reloading guru's evaluated them and what were the results? Thanks


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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2009, 10:18:50 AM »
That makes two of us that want to know.  I've always stayed stocked up on Federals and CCIs, so the primer shortage hasn't hurt me.  But like kodiak64, I'd sure like to know how they stack up.
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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2009, 11:22:11 AM »
I am in the process of evaluating them for all of those reasons.  My last trip over to Space Coast Bullets I picked up a brick each of SP, SR (223SR, is how Wolf labels these), LR, and LP. 

I loaded up a hundred of the LPs with some 45 last week and chrony'd them.  The wolf primers worked a-ok and I got the exact same MV with the Wolf primers that I got with Winchester LP that I normally use.  The standard deviation of muzzle velocity was also at least as good with the Wolf as with Winchester LPs, something like 11 fps.  To be specific, using 5.3 grains of W231 under 230LRN I got 800 +/- 11 fps.

So far so good, I'm pleased with the Wolf LP primers and heck I'll probably order a 5k case of them for my next Powder Valley stock up order, if things ever return to normal.  I plan to next load up some pistol rounds with the Wolf SPs, and I have some 223 and 308 loads I think I know pretty well from using Winchester and CCI primers to compare them to.  I'll post back when I've had a chance to compare them.  So far I am quite pleased at how well the Wolf primers work.  If it matters to anyone, they're gold colored like the Winchesters  :)  I had pictured them being some cheap steel or aluminum appearing thing like the steel-cased Wolf ammo.

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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2009, 01:43:22 PM »
I am somewhat concerned about their diameter, the hardness, and whether or not they are hotter than other primers. Just additional food for thought. ???

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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2009, 02:51:50 PM »
What's the concensus on using them for semi-autos (M14)? As I mentioned on a different post, I'm contemplating getting into reloading and was wondering if I could use these primers (price is right). Should I just stick to CCI military primers?

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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 10:04:39 AM »
I am somewhat concerned about their diameter, the hardness, and whether or not they are hotter than other primers. Just additional food for thought. ???

Well, the 100 Wolf Large Pistol primers I tried were every bit as good as the Winchesters I've been using, as good in every way and 20% cheaper.  I'll be evaluating the SR, SP, and LR Wolf primers next.  I'd heard good things about them before but didn't really think of trying them until the supply of primers took a hit recently.

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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 11:37:55 PM »
I bought several thousands of Wolf primers back in Nov. finally got around to loading some in .223. I bought the small rifle mag. primers as recommended by Wideners for the .223. Supposed to be the same charge but harder cups. I have yet to chrono them.
Observations: Tighter fit in primer pocket. Seem to be about the hardness of Federal primers. Accuracy and ignition were fine. Will post some load and chrono data when I remember to take my chrono to the range. :banghead


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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2009, 11:30:28 PM »
Wolf primers appear to be as soft as Federals?  Are you serious?  I'm not calling you a liar, I'm genuinely curious.  It would seem to me they should spec closer to CCI in the hardness dept given what they prime commercially.
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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 11:43:37 AM »
Wolf primers appear to be as soft as Federals?  Are you serious?  I'm not calling you a liar, I'm genuinely curious.  It would seem to me they should spec closer to CCI in the hardness dept given what they prime commercially.

I know you weren't talking to me, but I finally wanted to update my thoughts on Wolf primers including on this point.

My initial review was that Wolf primers seemed identical to the CCI and Winchester ones I was using.  I'd like to correct that- I am convinced now after a year or so of using them, that Wolf SP primers are at least as "hard" if not harder than "CCI" or Winchester.

I can't put numbers on this "hardness", but I have noticed one thing since I started using Wolf primers.  Until I started using Wolf primers, I never had light primer strikes or misfires with any type of my reloaded ammo, using Federal, Winchester, and CCI primers.  I began to have misfires / light strikes once I started using the Wolf SP primers for my 9mm and 40.  These always fire the second time, but... the misfire rate was around 1-2%, that is maybe one every box of 50.  (based on getting one or two misfires in a typical club IDPA match).  The problem was worst in my Kahr CW9, which could not set off some of my Wolf-primered loads no matter how many times I tried.  The same "failed" rounds would go off just fine in my G19 so I'm convinced it's hard primers.

I wouldn't say I won't buy Wolf SP primers again, I will gladly if that's all I can get.  However the experience of the past year has made me stock up on Winchester and CCI primers when I can get them (not easy around here!)  I don't have enough data on the other types of Wolf primers (SR, LR, LP) to be able to tell, but I don't recall having this happen with my 45s or any of my rifles.  I would imagine these other Wolf primers would be "hard" as well but I don't shoot nearly as much of the other stuff as I do 9 and 40, hence less data.

As always, YMMV.   :coffee

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Re: Wolf primers
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 06:37:36 PM »
Yes, Wolf SP Primers are hard.  I will occasionally have a light strike in my CZ. 
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