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Let's help others out. Post your favorite loads here.
« on: October 21, 2008, 01:12:27 AM »
We're off to a good start here, so to help us all out I'm asking you to post your favorite loads here, with a note on why they have earned this distinction.  All I ask is that you remember the warning on the heavy stuff.

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Re: Let's help others out. Post your favorite loads here.
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 07:05:01 PM »
Okay, here is one of my favorites.  It's for my Smith and Wesson model 25-5 in 45 colt, and comes from an article by John Linebaugh who is a big fan of the 25-5 in said caliber.  13 grains of HS-6 under a 260 grain Keith swc.  This load is very accurate and not punishing to shoot.  Hhttp://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=12ere is a link to the article, a very good read if you like 45 colt.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2008, 11:21:56 PM »
My favorite .223 varmit load:

LC (Milsurp) brass.  Good stuff. Can reload it MANY times.
40gr. soft point, either Speer or Sierra.  They seem to shoot the same for me.
26gr. H335.  This is near the max charge in Speer No 13.
CCI 250 small rifle mag. primer.

Why? Because its accurate in my rifle, and relatively inexpensive to load, so you can afford to shoot a lot of it. 

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Favorite magnum handgun loads
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 12:20:07 PM »
WARNING: The following loads include data that is at or above current SAAMI maximums, user assumes all risk!

I enjoy magnum handguns running at full potential, so here are a few of my favorites for 357, 41, and 44 magnum:

357 Magnum:
Firearm: Ruger blackhawk, redhawk, speed six, and sp-101
Case: Federal or starline preferred, if not, then winchester will do.
Powder: 15.2 grains of 2400
Slug: 158 HCSWC(I use laser-cast)
Primer: Federal small pistol magnum
Crimp: Firm/heavy
Velocity comes in near 1500 out of a 6 inch tube.  Very accurate out of over a dozen 357's I used it in.   Standard deviation comes in at 17 fps. For jacketed 158's I'll drop the powder charge to 14.8, and use either a hornady XTP or speer gold dot slug.   Both loads exhibit no pressure signs, and extract easily in every 357 I've tried them in.


41 Magnum:
Firearm: Ruger redhawk
Case: Federal or starline preferred, if not, then winchester will do.
Powder: 19.0 grains of VihtaVuori Oy N110
Slug: 220 grain HJFP speer
Primer: Federal large pistol
Crimp: Firm/heavy
Velocity comes in at 1450 out of a 7 1/2" tube.   Outstanding accuracy in the 4 guns I've used it in.  Standard deviation hangs right at 17 fps.
(My FAVORITE 41 magnum loads use blue dot powder.  One load specifically exhibits phenomenal accuracy.  Given that a recall has recently been issued by the manufacturer advising against its use in this caliber, I will not post them here.  Feel free to discuss them with me via PM if you want)

44 Magnum:
Firearm: Ruger redhawk, super redhawk
Case: Federal or starline preferred, if not, then winchester will do.
Powder: 296
Slug: 300grain hornady XTP
Primer: CCI large magnum pistol
Crimp: Firm/heavy
Velocity comes in right at 1300 out of my 9.5" super redhawk. Standard deviation comes in at 11 fps. In my winchester 94 trapper, velocity is right at 1600 fps. Accuracy is excellent.

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 08:58:58 PM »
Just used up the rest of my clays, unique, longshot and powerpistol to resupply Universal Clays (referred to as just Universal). Universal is my choice and most extensively tested.
Universal is lower on the burn charts than Clays. They have similar names and overlapping applications. They are not the same! A medium warm load of Universal Clays or International Clays applied to Clays may produce a catostrophic life threatening failure.

Universal 45acp 230 with various brass with CCI 300 LP primers for all loads.

 BJHP (banded JHP) rem golden saber bullet.
5.3 gr produced speeds 904-925 fps. Obviously overloaded to duplicate factory. Tested factory loads ranged 810-883 fps.

Berry's platted.
5.3 gr produced speeds 840-860 fps.
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28 gauge
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 09:10:05 PM »
28 gauge

Winchester Compression-Formed Hulls
Win 209 primer
Win WAA28 wad
17.5 grains of 540 powder
3/4 oz  hard #9 shot

1200 fps, 9900 lup pressure

This replicates the old Winchester target load for skeet.


#8.5 hard shot, for days when rain, wind, sleet or snow is present shooting skeet.
 This also makes a fine and dandy quail load.

#8 hard shot, again works for the aforementioned, plus is great for 5 Stand, Sporting Clays, and Doves.



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Re: Let's help others out. Post your favorite loads here.
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 09:43:58 AM »
"For jacketed 158's I'll drop the powder charge to 14.8, and use either a hornady XTP or speer gold dot slug. "



I am curious why you drop the load when using jacketed bullets.  Also, that load must bite a bit when fired in the sp-101.



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Re: Let's help others out. Post your favorite loads here.
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2008, 01:42:34 PM »
Jacketed slugs "bite" harder on the rifling. More resistance going down the barrel.  This leads to higher pressures than the same powder charge behind a lead slug.  The reduced powder charge is to get the pressure back in line.

My sp's do fine with it.  But I HIGHLY recommend Houge mono-grips in place of the factory ones.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 10:24:37 AM »
This is my favorite target load for 45ACP:

Bullet: 200 grain LSWC (lead semi-wadcutter)
Case: miscellaneous
Primer: Winchester or Federal Large Pistol
Powder: 4.0 grains Hodgdon Clays

The recoil is fairly soft and the accuracy is very good.

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2008, 09:06:50 AM »
Jacketed slugs "bite" harder on the rifling. More resistance going down the barrel.  This leads to higher pressures than the same powder charge behind a lead slug.  The reduced powder charge is to get the pressure back in line.

My sp's do fine with it.  But I HIGHLY reccomend houge mono-grips in place of trhe factoty ones.

+1 on the Hogue grips with .357 magnum.
and +1 in agreement with why the same powder charge will show higher chamber pressures with jacketed over a lead or plated bullet. 

Pressure is generally what limits how hot you can load a particular round.  However, many published lead bullet loads (the published max load) are not limited due to chamber pressure, but rather to keeping bullet speed below some limit, usually 1000 fps.  This is supposed to help prevent leading.  I've also found when pushing lead bullets pretty hard that if you push them too fast such as in a rifle round, the lead bullets at some point quit gripping the rifling and won't spin stabilize anymore. 

I still cast my own bullets for 7.62x39 but I had to reduce the loads a bit because of this.  When I was pushing them at 2000 fps they were coming out like musket balls and going all over the place, patterned more like a shotgun than a rifle (I can see for myself why Revolutionary War infantry tactics required massed musket fire at < 100 yards!  Hell couldn't even be sure of hitting a man sized target at 25 yds).  Anyway.  I slowed the bullets down to about 1300-1400 fps and suddenly the pattern of impact tightened up to to a tight group right where the sights pointed.  Cool.  The harder the lead alloy, the faster you can push it before it won't grip the rifling, I shoot a wheel-weight like alloy that's a little on the soft side even with quench hardening.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 08:55:11 PM »
This is my favorite load for my .223 Ruger 77V.

R-P case
CCI SR Mag Primer
52 gr Sierra HPBT Match bullet
23.5 gr AA-2460
C.O.L. 2.23"

My old two tone Ruger will shoot 6shot one hole groups all day with this load.When my mental state is out of balance, I take this load and rifle to the range and shoot dimes at 100 yards. Pretty soon, everything is  8).

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 04:43:35 PM »
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This is my favorite target load for 45ACP:

Bullet: 200 grain LSWC (lead semi-wadcutter)
Case: miscellaneous
Primer: Winchester or Federal Large Pistol
Powder: 4.0 grains Hodgdon Clays

The recoil is fairly soft and the accuracy is very good.

Yep.  That's the same load I use.  Also use it for plated round nose in the same weight.
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.380ACP: 2.5 grains of Bullseye, with a 90gr LRN bullet.  Very soft recoil compared to Speer factory Gold Dots.
9mm: 5.5 grains of Unique, with a 95gr JHP.  Recoil matches Magtech's 115 JHP factory load.
.40 S&W: 3.2 grains of Clays (not Universal Clays), 180gr Ranier plated HP.

All above with mixed, used brass, no magnum pistol primers.  And from memory, not looking them up, as I'm not near my actual records at the moment.  Use at your own risk.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 07:21:14 AM »
Favorite load for .308:

41.5 of RL15, CCI #34 primers, under a 168 grain MatchKing, loaded to an OAL of 2.820.  In my rifles (Savage 10FP-LE2A and M1A NM) duplicates the Federal 168 grain Gold Medal Match.

Practice loads for .45 ACP:

200 gr. LSWC
3.8 grains Clays
4.5 HP38/W231
6.3 Alliant Power Pistol

185 gr JHP

6.8 Power Pistol
6.5 Unique

230 grain FMJ:

6.5 Power Pistol
6.2 Unique
4.0 Clays
4.5 HP38/W231

.38 Special, 148 gr. HBWC
3.2 HP38/W231

.44 Magnum, 250 gr. cast LSWC, .430 inch:
8.5 Unique
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2009, 10:54:53 PM »
A few of my most accurate loads.

.38 spl 4 grains Reddot with 158 grain lswc.

.45 acp 4 grains Reddot with 230 grain lead RN or TC.

.222 24 grains Varget with any 50 or 55 grain bullet. It doesn't matter it puts them all under 1/2".
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2009, 11:20:28 PM »
Favorite target load for my glock:

200gr LSWC
4.4 gr IMR 700x
Win LP primer
Win Brass
Soft shooting, very accurate.
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 12:10:45 AM »
Favorite target load for my glock:

200gr LSWC
4.4 gr IMR 700x
Win LP primer
Win Brass
Soft shooting, very accurate.

Friend, if you have a cut rifled aftermarket barrel for the Glock, go for it, and good shooting!

However, if you have the factory barrel:

Do NOT shoot plain lead out of a factory Glock barrel!

The problem is the rifling.  It is smooth, and slick.  So slick that a lead bullet (with its high degree of lubricity) will actually skid over the first few tenths of an inch of the bore.  Over time, this builds up deposits.  It WILL eventually build up to the point where it will (very briefly) hold the bullet from starting down the bore upon firing.  When that happens, you have up to 40K units of pressure that are looking for somewhere to go.  Result?  The famous Glock kaBOOM.

Shoot only jacketed bullets from your factory barreled Glocks, or get the aftermarket barrels with conventional rifling.

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2009, 12:46:24 AM »
Friend, if you have a cut rifled aftermarket barrel for the Glock, go for it, and good shooting!

However, if you have the factory barrel:

Do NOT shoot plain lead out of a factory Glock barrel!

The problem is the rifling.  It is smooth, and slick.  So slick that a lead bullet (with its high degree of lubricity) will actually skid over the first few tenths of an inch of the bore.  Over time, this builds up deposits.  It WILL eventually build up to the point where it will (very briefly) hold the bullet from starting down the bore upon firing.  When that happens, you have up to 40K units of pressure that are looking for somewhere to go.  Result?  The famous Glock kaBOOM.

Shoot only jacketed bullets from your factory barreled Glocks, or get the aftermarket barrels with conventional rifling.

Yours in good shooting,
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I usually lay it out when I post something like that, but this time I didnt.  I am one of those people that others disagree with.  I am one of those people that do what others say is impossible.  I have been shooting lead out of my glock barrel for quite some time now.  The load above is actually what I have found to produce very little leading at all.  I would not attemp this in a .40 S&W or 9mm.  The .45s have a slower twist in the rifling and have an octagonal pattern that doesnt "smush" the lead as bad. The .45 is also the lowest pressure round.  This particualar load should be around 11K.   I use a hardcast bullet, either a SWC or RN.  The load above was developed using a chrono.  I have found that around 825-850 is the cutoff point.  If I keep the velocity down below that, I get very little leading. In fact, I can shoot 200 rounds without cleaning and not have any appreciable leading.  I tend to get more leading in my 1911 than the glock barrel.  I would not recommend that anyone just load up lead rounds and go for it, by any means. If you take your time working up a load and testing though, and keep the velocities down, its a relatively safe practice.  BTW, in my 21 the above load clocks at an average of 750fps.  Slow and accurate. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2009, 09:38:41 PM »
Those last two posts by powderman and ljnowell should serve as a reminder to us all-

Never ass/u/me anything when loading ammo, and remember that each gun is a law unto itself.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2009, 10:14:53 PM »
Those last two posts by powderman and ljnowell should serve as a reminder to us all-

Never ass/u/me anything when loading ammo, and remember that each gun is a law unto itself.

That is 100% true.  I have known other people that havehad problems with this.  I should also say that if you do something like this never assume anything.  When you aorder a new lot of bullets, even if its the same bullets from the same manufacturer, you must start over with the load.  You will find inconsistency, that could cost you a lot. 
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2009, 04:40:45 AM »
I run 25Gr of Varget under a 52Gr HP Match from Hornady.

Right at 3Kfps and 1/2" at 100 yds is VERY common.
Max load is listed at 26Gr. - I could NOT get that much in the case. If I vibrate the case with the powder in it, I can get 25.5Gr in. HOWEVER, the accuracy increases as you decrease the powder charge, and 25Gr fits in to the neck without vibrating it.

Had a friend on the West Slope try it.
Got an E-mail back in about a week. His comment was "WOW, that is accurate!"   :clap
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2009, 07:49:19 AM »
Pat-  We ass/u/me you're talking 223 here? ;)
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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2010, 08:12:34 AM »
For 223, I like
27.5 grains of BL-C(2) under 55FMJ or 55JSP, COL 2.210"
It's a max load but is the most accurate in my 16" M4-gery.  Tops out at 2950 fps in that rifle.

For 45, I like
5.3 grains of W231 under 230LRN, COL 1.230" for the Lee home-cast bullets.  That gets them right up to about 800 fps.
4.5 grains W231 under 230LRN for softer plinking, I just like having them up at 800 fps.

For 40, I like
5.1 W231 under 175LSWC (again Lee cast), COL 1.120"
This moves them at about 950 fps in my XDM40 which is about 200 fps above what they need to make IDPA power factor.  But I think they shoot well and would be good general purpose bullets if you had to grab some in a pinch.



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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 10:19:35 PM »
1911 .45acp:
 
230gr   H&G 34 RNL   4.7gr Red Dot   785 fps.  This is Jeff Cooper's old range load. .

200gr  H&G 68 SWC  4.0gr Red Dot   700 fps.   Shoots to the same 25 yd. POI as the 230 gr. load for me.

 Both loads run for me with an 18.5 lb. recoil spring .
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2010, 05:05:22 PM »
Here are a couple of cast bullet loads I shoot in my M1 Garands.  The Varget is actually a favorite, but I list the others I have tried in case anyone wants to experiment.

All these loads use a Lee 200 gr Gas Checked bullet cast from isotope lead and water dropped from the mold.  Hardness as tested on a Lee Hardness tester is 28 bhn.  The bullets are sized .310 and lubed with Felix Lube.  In all loads they are seated to the crimp groove and crimped hard in a Lee Factory Crimp DIe.

Varget Load - Favorite for reliable function, low powder use, good groups.
32 gr Varget under .75 gr Polyfill
CCI #200 Primer
Also tried 34 grains.  The 32 gr load was more accurate, so it is my standard.

BobS Load
42 gr H4831 under 1/4 sheet toilet paper filler.
CCI #200 Primer

Reloader 15 - Not really a favorite, but I have RE-15 on hand I am not likely to use.
36 gr Re-15 under .75 gr polyfill
CCI #200 Primer
Started with 32 gr, then 34 gr.  Both short stroked occasionally.  36 gr was reliable.  have not accuracy tested this load yet.

For those of you cringing at the thought of the poor op-rod in my gun, being subjected to heavy bullets and slow powders, keep you shorts on.  These are lead bullets, not jacketed, and therefore have different pressure curves.  Port pressures are actually milder than mil-spec ammo, so my op-rod and receiver heel are just fine.  (Although I do appreciate your concern.)
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2010, 06:32:36 PM »
My pet .38 SPL load is 4.3 gr of Unique under a 158gr LSWC (or RNFP if a Keith-pattern bullet is unavailable.)  Soft and easy shooting out of a 4" S&W 19, and quite manageable out of a 2" Taurus 605.
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