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The sound of the action operating is not to be dismissed. It can and very likely will be louder than the 45 out of a good can.

If I was to choose one to be as quiet as possible. A lever/bolt gun would be my choice.

The state here has moved to a Mossberg MVP in 300 BLK for animal control. It sounds like a powerful pellet gun. So can be used in urban neighborhoods.

Also a 357/38 level gun is just a ton of fun with style points to boot. 

I completely agree with these words. 

But with the restriction of "will be as quiet as possible with a selection of factory ammo" and with the limit of the two options in the poll, I don't see 38 special from an 18" barrel as viable.  Even some 158 grain standard pressure ammo will occasionally give a supersonic crack from time to time.  Same goes for some of the traditional target and cowboy action loads.  Generally will be below the threshold, but occasionally you will have one crack at random.

If the real goal is as quiet as possible, then I don't think either of the platforms would be a "first" choice.  The MVP would be a great option, and there are several other 300 blackout bolt guns in that space. 

Or a break action in 300 blackout.  Have chopped to 9-10" and threaded and then two stamp it as a suppressed SBR.  A break action is about as quiet as you can get if you don't let the ejector pop.


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General Firearms Discussion / Re: Which would you suppress? Which is the most quiet?
« Last post by MTK20 on March 19, 2024, 11:30:04 pm »
The sound of the action operating is not to be dismissed. It can and very likely will be louder than the 45 out of a good can.

If I was to choose one to be as quiet as possible. A lever/bolt gun would be my choice.

The state here has moved to a Mossberg MVP in 300 BLK for animal control. It sounds like a powerful pellet gun. So can be used in urban neighborhoods.

Also a 357/38 level gun is just a ton of fun with style points to boot.

I had to remember what the MVP was. The little bolt gun? That's an idea  :hmm .

I am not sure what the action cycling would sound like in a LC carbine, maybe I am overlooking something?  :hmm
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The goal is suppression with all ammo types. I have many different guns that can fill any role I need, except for being quiet :hide .

The sound of the action operating is not to be dismissed. It can and very likely will be louder than the 45 out of a good can.

If I was to choose one to be as quiet as possible. A lever/bolt gun would be my choice.

The state here has moved to a Mossberg MVP in 300 BLK for animal control. It sounds like a powerful pellet gun. So can be used in urban neighborhoods.

Also a 357/38 level gun is just a ton of fun with style points to boot. 
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General Firearms Discussion / Re: Which would you suppress? Which is the most quiet?
« Last post by Raptor on March 19, 2024, 01:39:27 pm »
The goal is suppression with all ammo types. I have many different guns that can fill any role I need, except for being quiet :hide .

In that case, definitely go with the LC Carbine.
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The goal is suppression with all ammo types. I have many different guns that can fill any role I need, except for being quiet :hide .

In that case, LC carbine in 45 ACP.  And don't stock +P ammo unless it's 230 grain.  Be wary of anything below 200.  There are a couple of 185 grain standard pressure loads that are probably are below, but even then the occasional outlier will crack.
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General Firearms Discussion / Re: Which would you suppress? Which is the most quiet?
« Last post by MTK20 on March 19, 2024, 12:21:14 am »
Downside to the 38/357 is lots of 38 special ammo will be supersonic by the end of a 17.4" barrel.  Ammo selection would be very important to keep it quiet.  With 45 ACP you gotta kinda hunt to find ammo that will be solidly above 1100 fps even at 16.5".

If the goal is suppression no matter what ammo is on hand, then the LC carbine.  You will have fewer surprise "crack" when shooting a random assortment of ammo from the store.

If the goal is a flexible platform that can be suppressed, then the lever gun and be aware during ammo selection for your loads to shoot suppressed.

The goal is suppression with all ammo types. I have many different guns that can fill any role I need, except for being quiet :hide .
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Downside to the 38/357 is lots of 38 special ammo will be supersonic by the end of a 17.4" barrel.  Ammo selection would be very important to keep it quiet.  With 45 ACP you gotta kinda hunt to find ammo that will be solidly above 1100 fps even at 16.5".

If the goal is suppression no matter what ammo is on hand, then the LC carbine.  You will have fewer surprise "crack" when shooting a random assortment of ammo from the store.

If the goal is a flexible platform that can be suppressed, then the lever gun and be aware during ammo selection for your loads to shoot suppressed.
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I have a 45ACP or two already, so that would be my choice.  But since you already have a 38/357, I’d go with that, because the closed action rifle would be quieter, less gas in your face, more reliable and more versatile.
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General Firearms Discussion / Re: Which would you suppress? Which is the most quiet?
« Last post by Raptor on March 17, 2024, 07:28:48 pm »
I think standard-pressure 158-grain .38 Special loads would be subsonic out of a rifle, but don't quote me on that.  The Henry would also be quieter than the LC, due to the lack of noise from the action cycling.

As far as fiery protests... I'm not out in the sticks, but I'm darn close.  Folks around here don't tolerate that sort of thing.  Local DA came down HARD on would-be rioters the one time they tried something (judge let 'em off with slaps on the wrist, but still...)
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General Firearms Discussion / Re: Which would you suppress? Which is the most quiet?
« Last post by MTK20 on March 17, 2024, 07:17:22 pm »
Since you own both calibers already, I would lean more towards the Henry, specifically because of the versatility offered by a .357/.38 lever action - it theoretically can be used for everything from plinking to self defense to hunting medium game - though I have no hands-on experience with either platform.

That said, I believe one of my local ranges has a Henry Big Boy X in .357 on their rental wall, and I think it's suppressed.  I'll check it out next time I go and let you know what I think.


I hear that.  I actually started looking in this area two years ago (which was made famous by a certain Harrison Ford movie back in the mid-80s), but first the rental market and then the actual real-estate market went bananas thanks to people desperate to escape the urban hellholes that NYC and Philadelphia have become since The Summer of Fiery But Mostly Peaceful Protests.  I tried to buy last year, but most properties were bought up within days of being listed (which was tough since I was living several hours away, working full time, and refused to buy sight-unseen), and I was still being significantly outbid on the few properties I was able to put offers on even though I was offering $20-$30k over list.  Thankfully, I was able to find an apartment in the area so I'm in a much better position (literally) to house-hunt this time around.

The market seems to have calmed down since this time last year, and there are a few places coming on the market soon that have caught my eye, so here's hoping....

But truthfully (and getting the threat back on track), I don't want to have to go through the hassle of submitting a Form 4 or Form 1 (I'd like to put an SBS together from a Mossberg Shockwave) only to have to change the address on the application midway through the waiting period because I've moved.  If the waiting periods stay as short as they've been (two FFLs near me that deal in suppressors both say they're seeing eForm 4 approvals come back in anywhere from a month to 48 hours), then I'll give it a go.

I can't be sure, but I believe that all 38 Special is subsonic, I hear? I like the idea of that.

Please don't buy your home near any area known to have fiery protests  :rotfl . The kind of havoc and property damage we saw in those protests was unreal.

I guess a SBS would be cool. I like my youth stocked 20 gauge. I have had it since I was a boy and it is short enough and has enough capacity to be formidable. Then again, I am not picky. If I had a Mossberg 590A1 retrograde with an Ontario Knife Company bayonet on the end, yes it would be 'unwieldy', but I would be happy with that too. Maybe I should get one someday  ;) . With a duckbill spreader.... And.... And..... Oh well, another topic for another day :hide .
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