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Re: This is my jam.
« Reply #200 on: December 03, 2016, 12:19:02 PM »
I must confess that I've always loved classic Motown. And I just recently (I know, I've been living under a rock) discovered the lovely and talented Joan Osborne. So without further ado:













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    Re: This is my jam.
    « Reply #201 on: December 03, 2016, 12:37:10 PM »
    Oh yes, I loved her work with The Funk Brothers.  Joan has a hell of a voice.  There's lots of great classics in Motown.



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    « Reply #202 on: December 03, 2016, 12:40:25 PM »
    Thanks for sharing, Raptor  :thumbup1.

    I'll have to listen to some of them later. I'm familiar with the song "ain't no sunshine" and I've heard the term/genre Motown used before, but I've never been exactly sure of what makes Motown, Motown  :shrug.
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    « Reply #203 on: December 03, 2016, 01:01:57 PM »
    "Motown" generally refers to the distinct "sound" put out by Motown Records, which was soul music with a distinct pop influence. The word "Motown" was actually short for "Motor Town," since Motown Records was originally based in Detroit.

    BTW, those are all covers. If you're not familiar with Motown, definitely check out the originals. Joan Osborne is amazing, but she doesn't even come close to the originals. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can do Motown as good as the original artists.













    Marvin's cover is considered by many to be the definitive version, but Gladys Knight sang it first.





    EDIT: I'm honestly not sure "Son of a Preacher Man" was a Motown song, but I like it anyways.
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    « Reply #204 on: December 03, 2016, 02:07:15 PM »
    Keep in mind that recording in a studio, where you layer the instruments and balance the levels to the desired result, plus get to redo your vocals until you achieve the desired "take"...

    v.s. performing live with a live sound system where there is a mix but things still lack the analog tape "warmth" of classic recording...

    is comparing apples and oranges.  Plus, the singers used in that film, which was a tribute to The Band,  weren't the ideal selections for the songs they were given (song style, song key, vocal range written for someone else).

    This is also why being a cover musician is more difficult than being an original musician.  Originals let you have your sound, with songs that are tailored to you and your style.  Covering music means you have to be able to perform in the styles of many other people (if you're approaching it the traditional way).

    As an example, these people in the following videos aren't "the best of the best possible singers to find for the Motown material, within their country", just groups of people in their local areas that decided to work together (with a limited size band covering the orchestra-sized group from records, taking liberties in the arrangement to play to their smaller-sized strengths) to come pretty close doing it live, which is a lot harder than in the studio.











    So imagine who could be found for the "ideal remakes" of Motown classic if such an undertaking was done.  Of course they wouldn't be out to take away your or my favorite version from history, but they could do justice to the songs if they had the right production behind them to do the material (for them) properly (not trying to do a range of styles), and not as a live money-making venture they financed out of their own pockets.

    I feel the music of Motown and Stax is wonderful and should be celebrated, starting in its classic form.
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    « Reply #205 on: December 04, 2016, 08:40:52 AM »
    This one was the lead in music (coming from commercial) for one of my favorite local radio talk shows 14 or so years ago (Brian Suits Show on 570 KVI Seattle)



    Then there's this one from the Beavis & Butthead movie



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    « Reply #206 on: December 15, 2016, 05:36:55 PM »


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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #207 on: December 18, 2016, 11:17:10 PM »


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    « Reply #208 on: December 18, 2016, 11:58:06 PM »
    The master improvisational bassist James Jamerson's sound of flatwound strings (that never ever got changed) on a 62 P bass (The Funk Machine), with Marvin Gaye's various vocal tracks being improvised as well.  Sometimes they just captured moments instead of trying for overly produced parts back in the Motown days.  This is why Jamerson had trouble finding work near the end of his life where studios wanted him to play exact parts that they wrote instead of letting him improvise his way through entire songs (knowing where the chord changes were).



    This guy does some very nice covers (accurate reproductions) of the bass where it's just his instrument you hear to the original tracks, Jamerson's original improvised studio bass is removed.  This guy uses a foam muting pad behind his hand to help duplicate the "deadness" of Jamerson's old strings that he insisted on using.





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    « Reply #209 on: December 19, 2016, 01:18:24 AM »
    *snort* If I'd been lucky enough to have James Jamerson playing bass on a track of mine, I'd let him play *whateeeeever* he wanted.  :cool

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    « Reply #210 on: January 03, 2017, 02:37:55 PM »


    Texas
    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #211 on: January 03, 2017, 08:52:25 PM »
    Some way up the page there was a video of some skirt "singing" this piece.  This is in response.

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    « Reply #212 on: January 03, 2017, 09:27:08 PM »
    Very nice.  One is a classically trained operatic tenor accompanied by a full orchestra and the other is just a singer with a small acoustic ensemble.  A difference in style perhaps but not in content.  I enjoyed both and hope you did as well.   
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    « Reply #213 on: January 03, 2017, 09:50:30 PM »
    Well...  Let me illustrate it in a way we as shooters will understand.  On the one hand you have a highly-trained professional long-range shooter, with a setup that costs more than my truck.  He doesn't just ring a gong at 1000, he prints groups.  On the other hand you have a shooter who rings steel, most of the time, at 300.  She runs an off-the-shelf rig that is worth less than the other guy's scope rings.  But hey, she's having fun, and she is not bad to look at.

    Sorry, I grew up in a classical music house.  It spoiled me. :p
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    « Reply #214 on: January 03, 2017, 10:49:47 PM »
    Wait .  .  .  you, ". . . grew up in a classical music house. . ." but you hang around here with us.   :hmm   Seems a bit of a non sequitur.  Its OK - we like you fine in spite of your musical preferences.   :cool
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    « Reply #215 on: January 03, 2017, 11:00:13 PM »
     :shrug Someone has to keep you people straight.  :P
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    « Reply #216 on: January 06, 2017, 10:09:31 AM »
    :shrug Someone has to keep you people straight.  :P

    I will quietly point out that comparing anybody to one of the Great Tenors is automatically doomed to fail... those dudes are in a class of their own...

    I've heard people try and lump Bocelli in with them, and coughed myself silly...

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    « Reply #217 on: January 06, 2017, 08:11:38 PM »
    I would go even further, putting Pavarotti in a class all by himself.  The other two paled in comparison.  Bocelli is good, but he is best listened to first, as a warmup, so that Pavarotti will sound just that much better by comparison. ;)
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    « Reply #218 on: January 08, 2017, 10:57:15 AM »


    Texas
    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #219 on: January 13, 2017, 11:00:33 AM »
    Texas
    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #220 on: January 15, 2017, 11:43:21 PM »
    Texas
    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #221 on: January 16, 2017, 11:25:25 AM »


    I typically don't care for tattoos on the neck, but the broken arrow one he has is pretty unique.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #222 on: January 17, 2017, 09:22:53 PM »
    Been listening more and more and I'm really enjoying this bands music.

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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #223 on: January 17, 2017, 09:33:39 PM »
    Believe it or not, I've been on a marching band kick as of late.



    Skip to 1:25 for the start of the music.

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    « Reply #224 on: January 18, 2017, 04:06:51 PM »
    Texas
    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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