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Best sharpening stone or device?
« on: July 11, 2014, 04:37:15 pm »

Pretty much what it says. I mostly use sharpening stones of different textures and haven't done much of it lately. I used to live near a knife store that did a better job than I could. $5-25 once a year wasn't a bad choice.

Now I want to get back into it. I wouldn't mind learning what the 'best' system is. Yes, I realize that's highly subjective. I'm trolling for opinions in this case.
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    Re: Best sharpening stone or device?
    « Reply #1 on: July 11, 2014, 05:49:02 pm »
    At home I use the spyderco sharp maker

    In the field I use either an eze lap model M or a DMT extra fine diamond stone
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    « Reply #2 on: July 11, 2014, 05:55:58 pm »
    RevDisk,

    I am guessing you are going to sharpen pocket knives, fixed blades ( hunting/kitchen) and the like.

    I have gone to diamond stones. My recommendations, and what I do use include:

    DMT  : http://www.dmtsharp.com/

    -Folding with coarse and fine. ( red and blue)
     http://www.dmtsharp.com/sharpeners/folding-models/double-sided-diafold/

    -Credit Card : in all the grits.
    http://www.dmtsharp.com/sharpeners/pocket-models/dia-sharp/

    -Lansky pocket stone:
     http://lansky.com/index.php/products/diamond-pocket-stone/

    -Eze-Lap Model H Diamond Sharpener This is the one I keep in my wallet.
    http://eze-lap.com/hunting_fishing_outdoor_use/pocket-sharpeners/

    That all shared, it is darn hard to beat a Norton 6" IB-6, fine/coarse grit stone. Great to get the old skill sets back, and great for sharpening. NOTE: I do NOT use oil on these or Arkansas stones.

    I'd snag a stone, some carbon steel knife, and work on the basics. One tip, is to use a sharpie marker run along the edge. This allows one to see if they are keeping a consistent edge.

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    Re: Best sharpening stone or device?
    « Reply #3 on: July 11, 2014, 06:07:04 pm »
    I personally like the lansky system works well for me and then I finish on a leather strop(I know big surprise;) That gets me an edge that will easily shave hair and is plenty sharp for my normal needs. I seldom carry one knife so I typically don't carry anything with me to sharpen away from the house. I also figure if I dull the knives I'm carrying typically I can sharpen well enough with field expedient stuff like the bottom of a ceramic mug or things like that it's seldom an issue I worry about much. Heck if I was in town I could pick up some sandpaper and make do but typically if I bork an edge I just switch knives and fix it later when I'm home again.

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    Re: Best sharpening stone or device?
    « Reply #4 on: July 12, 2014, 12:57:44 pm »
    Of what I own, these are my preferences in the order I prefer them.

    1. Work Sharp Knife and Tool Sharpener--My hands-down favorite. It has a learning curve to it. Start with cheap dollar knives before working on your expensive stuff. Sharpen any size blade, from the smallest Old Timer blade to a sword with no problem. Puts a convex edge on the blade. Once you get good at angles, you can throw the guides away. I don't have the new Ken Onion Model yet, but I hear really good things.

    2. Lansky System--Easy to use, does the job great. Needs a little tape on the jaws to protect the blade's finish. Good for medium knives, 3-6" long, and they need to be fairly wide. Perfect for maintaining a v-ground edge.

    3. KME knife Sharpener w/ diamond stones--Expensive, but worth it. Very adjustable and easy to work with. The diamond stones are the way to go with this system. The ceramic stones, which are cheaper, are not great and wear out easy. Good for 3-8" blades, and they need to be fairly wide. Perfect for maintaining a v-ground edge.

    4. 1x30 belt sander--Great for major reprofiling jobs. Watch out for overheating. Dip the knife after every few passes, and do not press too hard or you'll scorch the steel.

    5. Spyderco Sharpmaker--Decent sharpener. Some guys can get their blades really sharp with this thing, but it's never worked great for me.

    6. sandpaper and a mousepad--One of the easiest way to sharpen a convex edge. A light, light touch is needed. Let the sandpaper do all the work. You can get some scary edges after you practice a while.

    7. Japanese waterstones--They do the job pretty well, but are really expensive, especially the good ones. Great for scandi edges.

    8. Norton India stone--Cheap, and they work great once you get the basics of sharpening down.

    Every one of my knives gets stropped at the end of the sharpening regimen with a DLT block strop that's loaded with black, green, and white buffing compound. For my toothy edges, I only strop with black compound. For my polished edges, I strop on all three.

    A length of cheap leather belt with buffing compound on it works great as a field hone. Add to that a few pieces of sandpaper, using the belt as a backing and laid on a flat rock, gives you a dandy field sharpening kit.

    Another decent improvised method is paint sticks with sandpaper glued to them. I use 3m spray adhesive to glue it together. Works surprisingly well for v-ground and scandi edges, but will convex those edges over time.

    A more commercial option for a field kit is the Work Sharp Field Sharpener. Two diamond hones with guides, two ceramic rod options, and a strop all in one unit. It works great, and is easy to pack around. I'd still add the piece of leather belt for stropping, though, since the strop on the FS is a little shorter than I'd like. 


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    Re: Best sharpening stone or device?
    « Reply #5 on: July 12, 2014, 01:07:21 pm »
    I use progressivly finer grits of sandpaper taped to a thick sheet of glass with a bit of 3-1 oil. I finish up with a strop.
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    Re: Best sharpening stone or device?
    « Reply #6 on: July 12, 2014, 02:02:38 pm »
    Hard to beat the combination of a stone and strop but it can take some time time.  In a pinch one of these works really well to hone the edge.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 12, 2014, 09:46:26 pm »
    A lot depends on your level of committment and your tolerance for expense.  Probably the very best system I have ever seen ( even got the chance to use one as a demo but couldn't afford to buy it at the time ) is the Edge-Pro Professional.   Pricey but has capability beyond anything else I've seen.  Seems to have good support from the manufacturer as well as aftermarket sources for abrasives.  Very well thought out and executed IMO.   

    After that, I'd say Desert Rat and JackCrow pretty well covered it.   The longer I do the hand sharpening routine the more impressed I become with the sandpaper and float glass routine.  I've modified it a bit and now also incorporate a mason's trowel instead of the glass plate for some applications.  I also use wet-dry paper more than traditional aluminum oxide sandpaper as it lasts longer and gives a better edge.  I use water instead of oil but that's a personal preference that has more to do with clean - up rather than the resulting edge.

    Stropping is a must and I use a bit of leather glued to a block of wood and loaded with whatever grit of polishing compound I deem appropriate.  Sometimes all I need is the strop to do a quick touch up on an edge.  I also use a variety of honing steels - especially for kitchen knives.   Generally speaking, the smoother the better. 

    When its all said and done, if you have the skill and the patience all you need are the basics - all the other stuff is basically designed to save you time and effort. 
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    « Reply #8 on: July 13, 2014, 01:26:35 am »
    I use the old tried and true "whet stones."  No that's not a typo.  I have several, from coarse, through varying grades of medium, to fine.  Included are two blocks of wood wrapped in leather, the back of a note pad, and a can of kitchen approved honing oil.  I manage to put a mirror polish, and a razor sharp edge on a knife with these primitive tools, my two hands, and my tri-focaled eyes.

    The key, no matter what "system" you use, is practice.  I've picked up an already razor sharp knife, just to see if I can make it even sharper.  I have several "practice" knives, which I'll purposely dull, and re-hone. Or I used to.  Nowadays, I get plenty of practice with customer's knives.
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    « Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 01:37:52 am »
    I just use them till dull and then replace them.    :hmm
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    « Reply #10 on: July 13, 2014, 02:07:01 am »
    I started making knives when I was a teenager, and there are still more sharpening devices out there than I have ever used.  As with anything, skill counts for more than what you use.

    If I had to have only one tool for sharpening knives though, I would take the course DMT folder alone mentioned above.
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    « Reply #11 on: October 19, 2014, 12:39:40 am »
    When in the field, there are some makeshift items that will do the job- a smooth river rock, quarzite ( a sandstone formed from quartz sand fused together) works really well.
     The top ground edge of a car window for honing. The bottom of any ceramic cup.
     Any sufficiently smooth piece of concrete.

     alone has good advice above- diamond stones are easy and fast, and the brands he recommends are good- do not buy the "smiths" brand Chinese diamond stones-they are crap and wear out very quickly.
     

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    « Reply #12 on: October 19, 2014, 01:55:51 pm »
    At home I like the Spyderco Tri-Angle Sharpmaker.  For a quick touch up in the field I found the Hunter Honer to strike the right bakance between effective and portable.

    Of course a good set of whet stones works too.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 19, 2014, 09:45:45 pm »
    I use a diamond rod to start then a coarse and fine diamond flats for that toothy working edge on most of my knives.

    If its a carving knife or wood chisel I use a fine diamond then an aluminum oxide stone and finish with medium and fine Arkansas stones then a leather strop.

    Hand sharpening is a meditative act for me. I enjoy working an edge on good steel.  I have been thinking of a WorkSharp though to better work on the edges of my BudK Made in India kukris
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    « Reply #14 on: October 20, 2014, 01:59:56 am »
    They're only really good for a convex edge.  I haven't been able to get a flat grind with one to save my a**.  :hmm
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    « Reply #15 on: October 20, 2014, 09:22:37 pm »
    They're only really good for a convex edge.  I haven't been able to get a flat grind with one to save my a**.  :hmm

    Yep, you will convex anything you touch with a Work Sharp. It's how it's supposed to work. If you want to keep a factory v-ground edge, the KME or good ol' Lansky is what you need. Or an Edge Pro.

    The WS is perfect for Kukris and other reverse curve blades. I've put a perfect convex edge on my Becker Machax, as well as my old Blackjack Mini-Mamba and my Ontario Kukri. Works perfectly.

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