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« on: April 08, 2013, 04:21:15 PM »
I read this essay today, and wondered what others opinions on it might be...

http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/hathaway3.1.1.html
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    « Reply #1 on: April 08, 2013, 06:02:07 PM »
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    He enjoys writing about the injustices of the state

    yeah,  it really does sound like he enjoys it.   

    well,  like I've said before,  I can't and don't speak for any other agency, especially the large, occupied Amerika cities.
    as for here,  nope.   it's a load of **fluff**.

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    « Reply #2 on: April 08, 2013, 06:05:57 PM »
    I'd like to think that isn't accurate, but it is probably closer to the truth then most are comfortable admitting. I'm sure most wouldn't go along with a straight up start at one end of the street and go door to door. But, who doesn't like raids?

    Along those same lines I saw this today and thought it was funny.
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    « Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 06:19:26 PM »
    As someone who works for a non-law enforcement government agency, and has seen the absurdities that can arise from ego, ambition, and poor communication, this seems entirely plausible to me, but what do I know?  (Answer-Not much about law enforcement).  I'm interested to get some LEO input on this one.
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    « Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 06:25:53 PM »
    Also, while this article paints a clear picture of how a pro-2A cop could be manipulated into illegally taking guns from an individual whom the cop would not otherwise wish to disarm, this narrative does not address fears about mass-disarmament of the population.  It would not be practical to go through all those theatrics for each of America's 100 million gun owners.
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    « Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 06:47:21 PM »
    Idiotic piece of trash.  Nothing more or less.


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    « Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 07:17:42 PM »
    Idiotic piece of trash.  Nothing more or less.

    +1

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    « Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 07:49:07 PM »
    Pure sensationalism with an anti-LEO bent. Doesn't sound like any SWAT briefing I've been to. Maybe that's how it unfolds in NYC or Detroit but not here.

    He didn't seem to mind taking the government's orders or coin on his rise to supervisory agent.
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    « Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 08:00:41 PM »
    Lew Rockwell is the less  :vomit intelligent  :vomit brother of Prison Planet...  Thats all that needs to be said. 
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    « Reply #9 on: April 08, 2013, 08:03:53 PM »
    Not feeling it.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 08, 2013, 08:42:00 PM »
    Here another article in a similar vein

    http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/new-york-gun-confiscation-underway/

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    « Reply #11 on: April 08, 2013, 09:54:11 PM »
    Even if it went the way that Rockwell narrates, then that particular detective and swat commander wold develop a reputation quickly. We all know that guy that can never seem to round up enough officers to chase his latest wild goose. It does not take too many cluster flocks to end up known as "that guy".
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    « Reply #12 on: April 08, 2013, 10:27:08 PM »
    Even if it went the way that Rockwell narrates, then that particular detective and swat commander wold develop a reputation quickly. We all know that guy that can never seem to round up enough officers to chase his latest wild goose. It does not take too many cluster flocks to end up known as "that guy".

    Exactly. I get "scarce" myself from time to time when I hear of a certain detective in need of help. He dug a hole over many years and is now stuck in it.
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    « Reply #13 on: April 09, 2013, 01:45:31 AM »
    Almost everything from the Lew Rockwell sight is a bunch of absolutist libertarian crap. And this is coming from someone who thinks drugs should be legalized.

    These people are, fundamentally, angry that government exists at all. They want there to be some kind of non-state, which they think will be a free utopia of some kind.  They have never lived in a place like this, so they're basically running on the power of imagination in regards to how awesome it would be.

    It's just an extension of the standard libertarian problem: they're more worried about ideological purity than they are accomplishing anything. Completely unwilling to accept any compromise, any incremental progress, all-or-nothing.  So they get nothing, and government grows larger and more powerful by the day.

    But hey, they'll smugly tell you how THEY'RE not responsible for this because THEY don't vote.

    Oh, and you also get gems like this: http://lewrockwell.com/vance/vance319.html

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    But rather than hang my head in shame and sheepishly acknowledge that I have never been in the military, I lift it up high and shout No, I have never been in the military. I have never experienced the "glories" of combat. I have never had the "honor" of serving. Thank God I was never in the military.

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    No, I have never been in the military. I have never played golf on a U.S. military base thousands of miles away in a country that could provide for its own defense.

    No, I have never been in the military. I have never violated the Constitution I swore to uphold.

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    No, I have never been in the military. I have never stopped having independent thoughts.

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    No, I have never been in the military. I have never fought an unjust war of aggression.

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    No, I have never been in the military. I have never traveled the world, met interesting people, and killed them.

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    No, I have never been in the military. But when men that have been in combat, and have been in the military, and have served confirm what I say about the military and add their own criticisms of the military to it, they are not listened to either.

    No, I have never been in the military. But I will continue to criticize it and persuade people to not join it. How could any thinking person do otherwise?

    You know, I read through all that, and all I heard was "blah blah blah, I'm a sniveling coward".  But that might just be me.
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    « Reply #14 on: April 09, 2013, 01:48:38 AM »
    Why hasn't a person that perfect been translated and whisked off into Heaven?
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    « Reply #15 on: April 09, 2013, 06:51:40 AM »
    It's just an extension of the standard libertarian problem: they're more worried about ideological purity than they are accomplishing anything. Completely unwilling to accept any compromise, any incremental progress, all-or-nothing.  So they get nothing, and government grows larger and more powerful by the day.

    What kills me is that the other side has demonstrated, for at least 100 years, that the compromise/incremental approach works pretty well to kick the absolutist/no-compromise side's butts.

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    « Reply #16 on: April 09, 2013, 08:44:23 AM »
    That's right Mr. Vance...EVERY member of the military wants kill civilians. Just like EVERY libertarian is a socially retarded pencil neck who doesn't know how to tip.
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    « Reply #17 on: April 09, 2013, 08:51:03 AM »
    Why hasn't a person that perfect been translated and whisked off into Heaven?

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    « Reply #18 on: April 09, 2013, 09:00:46 AM »
    Why hasn't a person that perfect been translated and whisked off into Heaven?

    Good question.  Could it be because Heaven has to agree on the level of perfection?
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    « Reply #20 on: April 10, 2013, 12:45:30 PM »
    Maybe that's how it unfolds in NYC or Detroit but not here.

    C'mon Man!!!  I can see the dig at NYC, but Detroit???  Detroit's gun laws are getting better and we can buy whatever sized "pops" we want.  Plus, our former Mayor is in Federal Prison because he was busy stealing cash.  He didn't want nobody's guns...
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    « Reply #21 on: April 10, 2013, 01:51:18 PM »
    I stand corrected Tanner. I misspoke. I resign. Pass the Big Gulp please
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    Can I ask all of you. What is different between a man doing is job and a man doing his job well having fun? I may not be in the military (try for my heli license right now) but being a brony is supposed to be a big change of peoples characteristics? A man is working with his company or squad, he is focused on the task at hand and if his squad mates have a problem talk to him. Yeah, I agree it is weird, and there is plenty of weird things out there. But to hate on someone just because they are different? What is this? Hitler's Reich? Come on! This is the 20 first century people! Now, I KNOW you will probably disagree with me. But keep this in mind. What would you do if you started to suffer from s___ that happens to you well being in the military (of any branch)? Answer me that. :coffee
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    « Reply #23 on: August 02, 2016, 12:19:07 PM »
    Can I ask all of you. What is different between a man doing is job and a man doing his job well having fun? I may not be in the military (try for my heli license right now) but being a brony is supposed to be a big change of peoples characteristics? A man is working with his company or squad, he is focused on the task at hand and if his squad mates have a problem talk to him. Yeah, I agree it is weird, and there is plenty of weird things out there. But to hate on someone just because they are different? What is this? Hitler's Reich? Come on! This is the 20 first century people! Now, I KNOW you will probably disagree with me. But keep this in mind. What would you do if you started to suffer from s___ that happens to you well being in the military (of any branch)? Answer me that. :coffee

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    « Reply #24 on: August 02, 2016, 01:24:08 PM »
    Yeah...  His post made no sense to me, even reading it three times.  Maybe if I were to go back and read the three year old thread for context?  Nope.
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