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Re: Two More LEO's Killed...
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2016, 08:21:42 PM »
Agreed.  There are always incidents that will never make the evening news for a variety of reasons.  Hard to actually estimate the number of those but in a country with over 300 million people you can bet the number is significant.
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    « Reply #76 on: December 16, 2016, 08:34:02 PM »
    Agreed.  There are always incidents that will never make the evening news for a variety of reasons.  Hard to actually estimate the number of those but in a country with over 300 million people you can bet the number is significant.

    My wife was in the neighboring small town a few years ago picking up t-shirts before a pep rally when a bank robbery occurred and the cops chased the robber on foot right past her. Not a peep made the news. I was in training recently where a narcotics detective and her partner from a nearby cartel infested county said they find 1 or 2 dead Mexicans a week buried in shallow graves or dumped on the roadside. Not a word on the local (Asheville) news about that but offend a hippy or gay or kick a puppy and you hear about it all week ad nauseum.
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    « Reply #77 on: December 16, 2016, 08:42:18 PM »
    Yup.  Finding human remains out in the desert here in Arizona is pretty common.  Nobody really knows how many die or are killed crossing into the U.S. via the Sonoran desert route or whether they are coming here as refugees or drug mules.  The only time this stuff makes it onto the local radar screen is when a 15 passenger van full of them decides to try and outrun a DPS motor patrol officer on the freeway in rush hour.  The resulting carnage is talked about for a few days and then the majority of the populace goes back to cruising the mall. 
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    « Reply #78 on: December 16, 2016, 09:38:38 PM »
    Not to let my more cynical side out to play, but it seems as long people can punch in, go to work, get home, and watch Netflix, no one gives a s___. As long as they are physically ok and no one is messing with their belongings, then they can't be brought to care. The television may as well be telling a fantasy story or about an event that happened years ago. It isn't quite "real" to them.
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    « Reply #79 on: December 17, 2016, 01:58:17 PM »
     we call it 5%.   and most of the bad stuff, like most of the bad people, never make the news at all.

    We tell our rookies that they are here for the 5%.   We never deal with or have contact with 95% of the population.  We deal with the 5% that is left over.  Ranging from disturbed individuals needing some help, to testosterone laden teens, druggies of all kinds, to victims of their own thinking, to victims of someone elses thinking, to the truly bad and sometimes, truly evil.

    Last week I dealt with an 11 year old boy.  got physical with his mother.  he wants to live with dad, who has truly poisoned his mind against his mother to the point where they don't think it's wrong for the boy to body slam his mother onto the floor and run out the door.   dad is a real piece of work.   just leave it at that.

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    « Reply #80 on: December 17, 2016, 03:37:41 PM »
    Last week I dealt with an 11 year old boy.  got physical with his mother.  he wants to live with dad, who has truly poisoned his mind against his mother to the point where they don't think it's wrong for the boy to body slam his mother onto the floor and run out the door.   dad is a real piece of work.   just leave it at that.

    Between his father's genetics (potential mental issues) and his father's influence, that kid may be nearly irredeemable, and may be in and out of juvi hall till he hits the big leagues, if he lives that long.

    Something up above triggered a thought while I was catching up on this thread, but now I can't find the specific trigger.  But here goes the thought:

    I was listening to the radio on the way home last night, and caught about 15 minutes of Coast-to-Coast AM.  A lot of what is on there is, how shall I put this, not in my normal areas of interest.  However, the guest last night was discussing (and I'm paraphrasing here) how almost everyone has smart phones any more.  And those smart phones (and technology in general) were supposed to help us get (from our perspective) more done.  And for some people, it works that way.  But for many, many people, especially the young, they have their noses stuck in their phones most of the time, ignoring what is going on around them.  Many, if not most, of them check e-mail on their phones before even getting out of bed.  They're totally wired, 24/7.  And part of the flip side of that is a) they don't have as many nor as deep of personal relationships in real life, and b) they're constantly being bombarded by advertisements for the latest doo-dad or game.  Instead of the phone helping them get more out of life, it's sucking life (time) from them.

    The argument has been made many times that violent games and violent movies make violent people.  Make them?  No.  Exacerbate an already underlying psychological problem?  Possibly.  One of the things video games (on computers or phones) do allow is for young males (it's almost always young males, so humor me here) to sit in their room at home and live a fantasy life with no basis in reality.  Nor consequences for the actions they take in those games.  I think with the continual onslaught of more and more realistic violent games, we're going to see more and more violence from these kinds of loners, who lose the ability to separate reality from games.  Because their reality is games.  Sixty years ago, they would have been forced by boredom, if nothing else, to learn to interact with other people, and become (for the most part) contributing members of society.  Now?  No. 
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    « Reply #81 on: December 17, 2016, 04:31:03 PM »
    Good point.  The ability to basically withdraw from any other contact outside your house and your internet connection never really existed before except for extremely isolated groups of people living a subsistence lifestyle who lived well beyond the reach of "civilization".  Their contact with other people was relegated to a small, well known group and thus could be managed, at least to some degree.  Today we have legions of people walking around talking to or interacting with someone, or something, far away and generally ignoring all that is actually happening around them.

    4g wi-fi connections and ear buds are not your friends in the real time, real life world your body is walking around in.   
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