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My prediction as of July 9, 2016
« on: July 09, 2016, 06:56:08 PM »
Here is what I feel is going to happen.  Does not mean I support or oppose as yet, just this is what I'm looking for and that is an enforced segregation.

What I mean by that is the Department of Justice will recommend, and it will be pushed out by Executive order, to the Big City departments, mandating that the racial and ethnic distribution of police on patrol in certain communities and neighborhoods will match the racial and ethnic composition of those neighborhoods.

This will be supported by the big city mayors and city councils, and reluctantly accepted by the departments, with reservations.

The reasons it will finally be supported will be mainly 2.  The agencies cannot afford the bad press / bad publicity and (2), the agencies cannot afford to keep losing officers.   These last 2 incidents are indicative of that.   2 cops, wind up shooting what is now appearing to be a genuine bad guy who happens to be black.  and the agencies are now short 2 more cops.  justified, not justified, does not matter, but the straight logistics side is simple.  Every time one of these incidents makes national news, that agency loses 1 or 2 or more cops.  Minn.  just lost 2, Baton Rouge just lost 2,  Baltimore is down 6 for Freddy Gray.  That's 10 officers out of just 3 incidents in 3 cities.  No agency can continue to lose people at that rate, especially with the recruiting numbers drastically down like they are nationwide now.

Agencies will protest, because of recruiting issues, which will mean that racial and ethnic quotas will again rear it's head, never mind that everyone is having trouble finding qualified officers period, regardless of appearance or plumbing.  But the big city agencies will be required to hire strictly on the makeup of their cities.

And here is where the cynical side comes out.  Black officers will shoot black offenders.  and no one will care, no one will protest.  White officers will shoot white offenders, and it will never make the news.  and any shootings that cross racial or ethnic lines in terms of whites shooting blacks will result in charges of murder and hate crimes filed against the whites. 

 

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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016, 07:02:26 PM »
    Dear God  .  .  .   hope you aren't correct on this one.   :shocked    The social distortion that it implies is more frightening than the immediate results of its implementation. 
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 07:48:05 PM »
    I hate it, but I think you're right in your predictions, chief.

    The pc SJW crowd preach love and acceptance, yet all they can talk about is melanin and genitals. They are so superficial and have such little scope that they would literally opt to talk about ethnicity and race despite lives and careers being lost. I don't know why it is so popular to attack those in blue who defend and protect us, but it is a pathetic and gutless manoeuvre that helps no one.

    The media should have charges brought against it for inciting hate and violence.

    Forgive me for venting, but that's my two cents.
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #3 on: July 09, 2016, 09:11:02 PM »
    If implemented, this would be bad beyond words.  Any remaining sense of unity and cohesiveness in our republic will be lost.  Even if we could make this happen...  Is this something that we want?  SHOULD this be something that we want??

    Problems I can see right off the bat:

    -People do not live in 100% segregated areas.  We tend to keep to our own, but If an area is 50/50 black and white, who patrols?  What if it is a 51/49% split?  Who patrols?  A mix of officers?  That's what we have now, only not to the demographic levels that SJWs want.  What if it is a 90/10 majority white area?  Most would agree that most officers should be white...  Yet what if a white officer has to take action against one of the 10% of blacks?  More outcry.

    -This will make the tribal mindset of our communities even worse.  50-some years ago we had to mandate bussing to make sure that our schools were diverse.  Any progress since then will be immediately thrown away with a Police-By-Race policy.  Whites in black areas will be motivated to move away to 'white' areas, and the opposite for blacks.  It will be 'us' vs. 'them,' even more so than it is now.  While I do feel that people behave the best when they keep to their own kind, (and this goes for much more than just race) having such voluntarily segregated neighborhoods, cities and eventually states (because it will lead to that) would be the surest way to see our country balkanize.

    -What about mixed race officers?  Do we set a percentage requirement, (and who the hell really knows) or are we really going to go back to 'one drop' criteria.

    -This will lead to blacks and whites avoiding each other in normal life, and in business settings.

    -Social mobility will be further impaired.

    -Departments can not attract enough colored officers for these policies now, let alone qualified ones.  This will lead to:

    -Under-qualified minority officers in some areas, which will result in more money being needed just to correct training deficiencies, so that they are not totally inept.  Even still, either training standards will have to be lowered, or benefits will have to be such that they can attract the absolute top recruits.  This also has the potential for:

    -Potential police corruption, bordering on third world standards.  With all of the inefficient law enforcement that comes with it.  Leading to:

    -Lower and lower minority standards of living, requiring new and more government intervention.


    These are just the first off of the top of my head.  There are certainly more.  THE main problem in this country is that we all see it as 'us' and 'them,' rather than just 'We the People.'  We care about us, and damn the rest.  This has to end, not be made official.
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2016, 07:15:33 AM »
    A few random thoughts---
    you guys are right about the problems of recruiting more minority officers--there is already a big push to remove the "previous conviction" checkbox for some gov't jobs---do you see it spreading to police jobs if the quotas can't be reached? Just what we would need--more bad cops covering their misdeeds.......more public mistrust........less qualified applicants   :banghead

    regarding Kaso's tribalization statement--so true. there have already been signs that when forced busing/integration ends, people & neighborhoods are tending to self-segregate again. Don't think it will be the "Chinatown" or "Little Italy" districts of late 1800's---more like the muslim enclaves now in european cities--angry, with contempt and hatred to anyone outside.
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2016, 11:47:46 AM »
    Don't think it will be the "Chinatown" or "Little Italy" districts of late 1800's---more like the muslim enclaves now in european cities--angry, with contempt and hatred to anyone outside.
    You are correct, but it will go far beyond muslims. (which will be a factor - muslims policing muslims will lead to de facto sharia law in their areas)  Every racial, religious, and ethnic community will become more internalized, and less accepting of others.
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2016, 12:08:57 PM »
    and don't forget internal as well.   Training, correction, discipline, any punishment or termination, will have to be done by black supervisors and approved by a black chief or the NEWLY HIRED black street officers will not abide. Just like your Muslim scenario and Shari law,  same internal to an agency.   Which will lead to completely separate departments, within a department.

    and all the problems and issues that will bring as well.

     
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #7 on: July 10, 2016, 12:20:53 PM »
    That's why I said this was a return to segregation.

    Not only will the internal workings of the department have to match the racial makeup, but the workings of the court system will as well.   Black prosecutor, black judge, black jury.   Separate courts for that area.  which eventually lead to separate laws and procedures. 

    I expect the return to segregation, within the big cities at least, is one of the goals, to divide and control, and will have as a side effect, a lessening of tension on the second civil war front.  The enemy (whity) will be less immediate, and the black population, much less the paid professional protesters, have been taught to support black over anyone else, regardless of truth.

    it would at least, put Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton out of business in certain areas.






    and don't forget internal as well.   Training, correction, discipline, any punishment or termination, will have to be done by black supervisors and approved by a black chief or the NEWLY HIRED black street officers will not abide. Just like your Muslim scenario and Shari law,  same internal to an agency.   Which will lead to completely separate departments, within a department.

    and all the problems and issues that will bring as well.

     
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #8 on: July 10, 2016, 12:53:02 PM »
       I've said it before: Starting at the beginning of the Bush administration, and accelerated tenfold in Obama's presidency, the US is heavily and rapidly balkanizing.

        Within another 20 years, whoever becomes president, the US will be beyond the stopping point of becoming like the Balkans and that gaggle of conflicts.   Outright war?   Highly doubtful in my opinion.   However civil strife, conflict, hate and revenge killings and "persuasion gangs" etc.etc.     Will be heavily prevalent and segregated not only by race and religion and politics, but by region.   

        Some may be large areas, to include most of a state, but "red" states with "blue" "enclave cities" will be similar to entering foreign countries.

           
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2016, 03:22:50 PM »
    and,   here we go. . . .


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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016, 04:25:17 PM »
    and I'm eligible to fully retire now.






    some days I wonder why I'm still here.






    I congratulate you for your accuracy and yet I utterly despise the results  :banghead.
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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #12 on: July 12, 2016, 04:57:26 PM »
    and I'm eligible to fully retire now.






    some days I wonder why I'm still here.

    Because there's no other way? It's in your blood? I think all men are called upon to do certain things in their life. They wonder why they choose certain things, but it's not even a choice, really. Label it as a calling or a sense of duty, whatever, but despite the title you give it there is no escaping it. It's just what you are.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2016, 05:33:24 PM »
    I dunno.  You retired once...   Are they capable of handling themselves without you, this time?
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    « Reply #14 on: July 12, 2016, 05:34:41 PM »
    Yeah,  I know,  It's a calling, it's what I am and what I do, but part of what I'm looking at is,  I've answered the call for 30 years now.   I know I've only got a couple more years left to do this and, I love what I do.  But at some point, it will become time to pull the pin and walk away.

    Between my medical and my wife's (she has MS),  sooner or later, and from the progression, probably sooner,  it's going to be time to say,  time for my wife and I now, and leave it in the hands of someone else.

    It's not the world I grew up in.  It's not the world it was when I started on this journey called law enforcement, lots of changes.  Some good, some bad, some just are.

    but, I look at Bud and I guess there's hope for us to make it yet  :thumbup1

    One marriage, no divorce, two wonderful kids (no grandkids yet dadburnit, but later is better than too early) I've done a lot of things, impacted a lot of people,  hopefully made a positive difference for some of them, and, seriously, no complaints.   

    Unlike so many in this world,  I found my calling and have had a good time doing what I love.   lots of folks can't say that.

    sheeez,  now I'm sounding like some old fart getting ready to host a retirement party.   I ain't there YET.  :neener





    Because there's no other way? It's in your blood? I think all men are called upon to do certain things in their life. They wonder why they choose certain things, but it's not even a choice, really. Label it as a calling or a sense of duty, whatever, but despite the title you give it there is no escaping it. It's just what you are.
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    « Reply #15 on: July 12, 2016, 05:37:17 PM »
    That's part of what I'm working on as well.  succession planning. 



    I dunno.  You retired once...   Are they capable of handling themselves without you, this time?
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    « Reply #16 on: July 12, 2016, 05:53:12 PM »
    Yeah,  I know,  It's a calling, it's what I am and what I do, but part of what I'm looking at is,  I've answered the call for 30 years now.   I know I've only got a couple more years left to do this and, I love what I do.  But at some point, it will become time to pull the pin and walk away.

    Between my medical and my wife's (she has MS),  sooner or later, and from the progression, probably sooner,  it's going to be time to say,  time for my wife and I now, and leave it in the hands of someone else.

    It's not the world I grew up in.  It's not the world it was when I started on this journey called law enforcement, lots of changes.  Some good, some bad, some just are.

    but, I look at Bud and I guess there's hope for us to make it yet  :thumbup1

    One marriage, no divorce, two wonderful kids (no grandkids yet dadburnit, but later is better than too early) I've done a lot of things, impacted a lot of people,  hopefully made a positive difference for some of them, and, seriously, no complaints.   

    Unlike so many in this world,  I found my calling and have had a good time doing what I love.   lots of folks can't say that.

    sheeez,  now I'm sounding like some old fart getting ready to host a retirement party.   I ain't there YET. :neener

    You know, for an old fart, that speech wasn't so bad  ;).
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #17 on: July 12, 2016, 06:13:06 PM »
    Chief, my wife is an RN who has worked in hospice, and currently works for Cancer Treatment Centers of America. For years she has come home from work in tears telling me about another patient who worked hard for years to have a good and comfortable retirement, only to find that they won't live long enough to enjoy that retirement. You've done everything you can, and far more than most.  I say retire and enjoy your wife and kids.
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    « Reply #18 on: July 12, 2016, 07:31:16 PM »
    I have retired three times. Mary is pushing me to find something else because she is tired of me hanging around the house.

    I retired as a police chief in 1987 and went back on active duty with the army. I already had almost 4 years active duty time so when I broke my back and shoulder in 1997 and was then medically retired in 1999, I had a total of just over the 16 years in. They retired me at 30% which at the time was about $1100 a month (but tax free!) so with my police pension which had kicked in when I reached 50, there still wasn't enough to live on (in a style to which we were accustomed) so I hooked up with the US Department of Veterans Affairs just as I retired. So that was my third job. When the VA service connected disability compensation started, that was more than my military med pension so that was eliminated because of the dual compensation law. In 2007, I was pretty well fed up with the VA decided to spend just under $10K into the Fed retirement system in lieu of the sixteen years military time, picked a fight with the regional Director of the Veterans Benefit Administration and retired for the last time as a GS12 with 23 years service. Between that pension and my government pension plan (similar to a 401k) I made out just fine. Three years later SSA kicked in and Congress passed Combat Related Special Compensation Act (CRSC) and my former military pension was restored.

    My point in all this is I still miss being a cop (not so much being a Chief) and was able to discover that there is actually other things in life besides law enforcement.

    I know there is something that you have day dreamed about doing other than being a cop. Probably after a nasty call or after attending a city council meeting. This is the time for you to go for it. If you got enough money to live on, then take a hobby. If you want to try another profession do so.

    I had an old cop sit me down and warn me about what happens "after" if you don't find a new direction to go it and he was absolutely right.

    As a matter of fact, I think i just started a new one. I am going to do historical research to support authors like the Ogre.

    My advice is to walk away and start something new. Over the years, I lost a lot of friends who decided to work just a couple more years and then the job finished them off, usually for med reasons. At a certain point, chasing a teenaged perp or getting fired up by a city councilman is just no longer worth it.
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    « Reply #19 on: July 12, 2016, 07:37:07 PM »
    It's not the world I grew up in.

    I think many of us feel the same way.

    As for the rest of this mess, it doesn't surprise me in the least and took longer than I expected. But it is now gaining momentum and I do not believe there is any way to stop it. Only the foolish truly believe that if only we elect the right person(s) we can keep the train on the rails and get back to the country in which we were born.

    Hope is great, preparation is greater.

    I believe part of the problem is as I described to a friend years ago, the view out the window has not changed significantly. For the majority of people life is much the same as it always has been and until that changes radically the "storm" is not real. It is like watching one of those severe weather programs on the Discovery channel. Yes, they know that tornados are real and are terrible (and fascinating) but they are localized, they happen "over there" to "those people", sad, but it will all turn out alright (it always does, right?). And to those whom it does happen to, well, help is on the way and everything will eventually get back to normal, it always has right?

    Many of us have "been there done that" we have varying degrees of experience of how bad things can get, and how humans act when they do, but we are an almost insignificant minority.

    The vast majority of the population haven't even been in a automobile accident, not to mention even seriously considered the ramifications of societal dissolution. Hell, most haven't even read history beyond some forgotten assignment in high school or a 1 hour TV program. Most who have do not believe that such things could actually happen to our advanced, modern civilization. For most Americans war has only ever happened on the television or movie screen because it has always happened somewhere else, it could never really happen here. The Revolutionary War and Civil War might as well be Greek mythology.

    Civilization is a thin veneer on humanity and always has been. We are tribal creatures, it's in our DNA a survival trait of humans and when things start to go wrong enough to sense on some primal level, we begin to fall back on those instincts without even realizing it and as things worsen those bonds and behaviors spool up proportionally.

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    « Reply #20 on: July 12, 2016, 11:41:06 PM »
    This ^ is pretty thought provoking.   :hmm    More than a little truth there. 
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    « Reply #21 on: July 13, 2016, 12:33:18 PM »
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    « Reply #22 on: July 13, 2016, 01:10:01 PM »
    http://theferalirishman.blogspot.com/2016/07/be-aware-and-not-there-national-day-of.html  if true---maybe a few scratches in that thin veneer?

    How big do you reckon the response will be to this "event"? Call me crazy, but I'm tired of senseless death and violence. Why can people not just behave themselves?

    Can't we all just get along?
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #23 on: July 13, 2016, 01:42:36 PM »
    Apparently not.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/my-ancestors-owned-your-ass-angry-texas-couple-yells-black-teen-does-not-belong-in-america/

    We've got people who are just fluffing *pissed* - some for legitimate reasons, some not so much (I make no claims as to which is which).

    But s___ like that doesn't belong in this century. 

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    Re: My prediction as of July 9, 2016
    « Reply #24 on: July 13, 2016, 03:48:48 PM »
    But s___ like that doesn't belong in this century. 
    Not from either side, no.  Not if we want to continue living as one united country.
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