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Re: Military maneuvers startle already-stressed UND campus
« Reply #100 on: April 27, 2016, 06:06:33 pm »
Yeah yeah yeah, just watch the video and judge for yourself...

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    Re: Military maneuvers startle already-stressed UND campus
    « Reply #101 on: April 27, 2016, 06:12:19 pm »
    I did read the article, in spite of the source.  Did not watch the video.  I can see where the woman is indignant, as we now have to tolerate any and all gender and personal identities. Cops have to know that and be able to take it into account before making snap judgments.

    Current sensitivity to fringe issues aside, if this had happened 10 or more years ago...  If a cop had confronted what he believed to be a man in the women's area, and asked for ID if he couldn't tell 100% one way or the other...  No one would have had a problem with it.  Only recently has society decided that it somehow infringes on someone's rights.

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    Re: Military maneuvers startle already-stressed UND campus
    « Reply #102 on: April 27, 2016, 10:00:46 pm »
    Watch the video. I skipped the page, assuming there'd be rhetoric. If a friend of mine were treated like that, I'd be pissed.

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    « Reply #103 on: April 27, 2016, 11:16:54 pm »
    Watch the video. I skipped the page, assuming there'd be rhetoric. If a friend of mine were treated like that, I'd be pissed.
    I watched it.  I would be upset if my friend made the cop take it that far.

    Let's see:
    - Ambiguous gender presentation. (my split second judgement would assume 'guy')
    - Dresses like a guy
    - Sounds like a guy
    - Haircut looks like a modern male

    And all of those are her? right to do/be.

    So if you walk, talk, waddle and quack like a guy... and are in the ladies' room...  What is the big problem about showing ID to prove you belong?  Refusing suggests guilt of something.  You don't look like you should be there, so the question was raised.  I am guessing that someone expressed initial concern to the officer, or else how would he know she was there?

    Now, all of that said, when all of the other ladies started telling him that 'he' was 'she,' that would have been an excellent time for him to take them at their word and back off the subject.  After all, the whole point of gender segregation is for their benefit, so if they say she belongs...

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    « Reply #104 on: April 27, 2016, 11:51:46 pm »
    Democratic propaganda for a source aside, I think Booksmart has the right take on this one.

    While I can understand the LEO's alarm at first, if I could pick up on secondary sex characteristics via a crummy phone camera, then I'm sure they could at conversational distance ::).

    Surely there are more important "crimes" being committed elsewhere on the premises  :coffee. I was kind of hoping that the female LEO, upon closer inspection, would have said "Oh wait! This is a Woman!". She would totally be an expert on what they look like, cos ya know, she is one  :neener. I'm surprised this wasn't in Texas, seeing as my people are not the kindest to the "queer" population.
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    « Reply #105 on: April 28, 2016, 12:27:44 am »
    Give me a "heads up" when something noteworthy happens.  Somebody getting their panties all in a bunch because a police officer asks them for identification just doesn't qualify.   :facepalm
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    « Reply #106 on: April 28, 2016, 07:58:46 am »
    Y'all do realize that most pedophiles sexually identify as straight, right?

    At this point, I'd feel safer going to the bathroom with a woman in the process of becoming a man than I would with say, Dennis Hastert.

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    « Reply #107 on: April 28, 2016, 08:18:58 am »
    Y'all do realize that most pedophiles sexually identify as straight, right?
    I do not doubt that.  This law about bathrooms, for most people with common sense, (as opposed to rabid religious fury) is about straight people.  Gays already use the bathroom that would most easily allow them (only if they were inclined) to molest children.  See: Denis Hastert... :facepalm  Of course, since when did a gun free zone prevent gun crime? :-\

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    « Reply #108 on: April 28, 2016, 02:45:46 pm »
    I do not doubt that.  This law about bathrooms, for most people with common sense, (as opposed to rabid religious fury) is about straight people. 

     :facepalm

    Ummm... no, it isn't Kaso.

    If you read the text of the law (http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/House/PDF/H2v4.pdf), it only makes allowance for the sex a person is at birth. It does not say anything about people who have undergone gender re-assignment surgery, such as three of the four individuals in the pictures below.






    So yeah, you could theoretically end up with two very female people in the bathroom with you, and a very male person having to use the women's room.

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    « Reply #109 on: April 28, 2016, 03:04:13 pm »
    Forgive my candour, but It's a non-issue and, quite frankly, all bulls___. Don't hurt anyone, don't steal their stuff. No rights violated, then no harm no foul. As straight, cisgender men we could just as easily make the guy at the urinal next to us uneasy if we turned out heads, made eye contact, and then moved our gaze down to what they "were packing". The bathroom stall is much like the bedroom, it's not really any of your business. If someone does commit a rape in a bathroom, then we will call our lovely LEO's to do what they do best, and I assure you that they will treat a rape in a bathroom no differently then a rape anywhere else. As mentioned before, since when did a sign stop anyone from committing a crime? A "Men's only" or "Women's only" sign on a public restroom does not in any way shape or form make that bathroom less accessible to evil doers.

    This issue confounds me, it's like American politics enjoys fervently debating transgender bathrooms and "gay cakes" to distract from the real issues like our crippling debt.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #110 on: April 28, 2016, 03:12:20 pm »
    *snicker*

    It would seem that 'No Guns Allowed' signs really can't stop someone from bringing a 'gun' into whatever 'gun free zone' they create.   Nor will they ever stop any gun crimes, no matter the type.

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    « Reply #111 on: April 28, 2016, 04:05:35 pm »
    This issue confounds me, it's like American politics enjoys fervently debating transgender bathrooms and "gay cakes" to distract from the real issues like our crippling debt.

    Yep.  It's an issue that only applies to a minute percentage of the population and it's all over the god damn place.  We've got more important s___ to worry about.   
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    « Reply #112 on: April 28, 2016, 04:35:45 pm »
    I agree.

    So, why did the NC legislature feel it was so Earth shatteringly important that they had to spend $42k for a special weekend session to pass the fluffing thing?

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    « Reply #113 on: April 28, 2016, 04:37:40 pm »
    Just remember that the other half of 'go along' is 'get along.'  This is an affliction thrust upon us by both sides of the political aisle.

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    « Reply #114 on: April 28, 2016, 11:04:54 pm »
    Yep.  It's an issue that only applies to a minute percentage of the population and it's all over the god damn place.  We've got more important s___ to worry about.   

    But I do have to bring up a point.

    Laws have been passed in 3 or 4 states, that are squarely aimed to discriminate against a certain portion of society.

    Doesn't matter if it's left handed red heads, blacks, or gays, that ain't right.  Just like a person shouldn't have to drink from a separate water fountain because of the color of his skin, they shouldn't have to show an ID or drop trou just to use a public restroom.

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    « Reply #115 on: April 29, 2016, 08:40:08 am »
    I'll tell you what the end result of all this will be.   signs all over the place.


    No Public Restroom.



    as no one, business, city, county or state,  will be able to afford the fights and lawsuits that will be filed by all sides.   







    But I do have to bring up a point.

    Laws have been passed in 3 or 4 states, that are squarely aimed to discriminate against a certain portion of society.

    Doesn't matter if it's left handed red heads, blacks, or gays, that ain't right.  Just like a person shouldn't have to drink from a separate water fountain because of the color of his skin, they shouldn't have to show an ID or drop trou just to use a public restroom.
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    « Reply #116 on: April 29, 2016, 10:01:04 am »
    I'll tell you what the end result of all this will be.   signs all over the place.


    No Public Restroom.

    as no one, business, city, county or state,  will be able to afford the fights and lawsuits that will be filed by all sides.   


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    « Reply #117 on: April 29, 2016, 11:36:19 am »
    Or three bathrooms - male, female, unisex (which would also work for parents with kids).  :shrug
    « Last Edit: April 29, 2016, 01:14:00 pm by booksmart »

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    « Reply #118 on: April 29, 2016, 11:55:10 am »
    Having looked at this a bit more...  It looked good on the surface, but all it is, is a feel-good measure that will cause all manner of grief for some, and in the end not reduce crime a bit.  Probably the first time Booksmart has ever brought me around to his position. :shocked

    If they want a feel-good law that will have a negligible impact on crime, why don't they nix this and add a mandatory five year sentence for altering or disguising one's appearance (in any way) while in the commission of a crime?  Just like they have for using a firearm in a crime.  Still won't solve anything, but it would be something that they *could* slap on as an additional charge if a male cross-dressed in order to access the ladies' room with the intention of assault.  It could also be used for bank robbery suspects, as well as others.

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    « Reply #119 on: April 29, 2016, 11:59:09 am »
      So the whole time I've been sitting back watching and reading this topic go on for 5 pages now and the following is all I see in my mind's eye...





    Wow, thanks guys....You bastards! HAHAHA!!!





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    Re: Military maneuvers startle already-stressed UND campus
    « Reply #120 on: April 29, 2016, 12:24:30 pm »
     :rotfl

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    « Reply #121 on: April 29, 2016, 12:29:26 pm »
    SLM, don't lie...  Those were far from the dirtiest images running through your mind. ;)

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    « Reply #123 on: April 29, 2016, 01:13:51 pm »
    SLM, don't lie...  Those were far from the dirtiest images running through your mind. ;)

     :rotfl

    What?!? SLM is always equal parts innocent and professional  :neener.
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    « Reply #124 on: April 29, 2016, 03:43:35 pm »
    :rotfl

    What?!? SLM is always equal parts innocent and professional/SQRT(crazy)  :neener.

    FIFY.

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