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Congressional shooting
« on: June 14, 2017, 09:33:55 am »
Preliminary report:

 (Newser) – Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the GOP House majority whip, has been shot while at baseball practice in Alexandria, Va., reports Fox News. He is expected to survive, and the gunman is in custody. Police say a total of five people were wounded, with the other four believed to be two Capitol Hill police officers, a congressional aide, and the gunman. Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama was there and told CNN that a white male shooter with a rifle of some kind unleashed multiple rounds on the field from behind a chain-link fence near a dugout. "I saw Scalise go down at second base," said Sen. Rand Paul. Brooks said Scalise was shot in the hip and he helped tend his fellow lawmaker's wound by using a belt as a makeshift tourniquet. The extent of the injuries to others wasn't immediately clear, but at least one person, believed to be one of the officers, was air-lifted from the scene.

"I was on deck, about to hit batting practice, when I heard a 'blam,'" said Brooks on CNN, per USA Today. Scalise "was not able to move under his own power" and was "dragging his body from second base," he said. "He was shot in the hip. I think it was not a life-threatening wound." The Republican team was there practicing for a charity baseball game. Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona also was present and confirmed the gunman had been shot. "Whether he was targeting certain members, we don't know." He added that he got hold of Scalise's phone and called Scalise's wife to tell her the news personally. In a statement, President Trump tweeted that Scalise was a "true friend and patriot" and will "fully recover." Paul credited the two Capitol Hill police officers on the scene with preventing a "massacre."
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    Re: Congressional shooting
    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2017, 10:47:51 am »
    And the Governor of Virginia is already running his mouth about gun control.

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    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2017, 10:49:29 am »
    Preliminary report:

     (Newser) – Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the GOP House majority whip, has been shot while at baseball practice in Alexandria, Va., reports Fox News. He is expected to survive, and the gunman is in custody. Police say a total of five people were wounded, with the other four believed to be two Capitol Hill police officers, a congressional aide, and the gunman. Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama was there and told CNN that a white male shooter with a rifle of some kind unleashed multiple rounds on the field from behind a chain-link fence near a dugout. "I saw Scalise go down at second base," said Sen. Rand Paul. Brooks said Scalise was shot in the hip and he helped tend his fellow lawmaker's wound by using a belt as a makeshift tourniquet. The extent of the injuries to others wasn't immediately clear, but at least one person, believed to be one of the officers, was air-lifted from the scene.

    "I was on deck, about to hit batting practice, when I heard a 'blam,'" said Brooks on CNN, per USA Today. Scalise "was not able to move under his own power" and was "dragging his body from second base," he said. "He was shot in the hip. I think it was not a life-threatening wound." The Republican team was there practicing for a charity baseball game. Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona also was present and confirmed the gunman had been shot. "Whether he was targeting certain members, we don't know." He added that he got hold of Scalise's phone and called Scalise's wife to tell her the news personally. In a statement, President Trump tweeted that Scalise was a "true friend and patriot" and will "fully recover." Paul credited the two Capitol Hill police officers on the scene with preventing a "massacre."
    Not making light of anyone injured, but oh dear sweet Baby Jesus let the shooter be Antifas/Prog/Muslim Extremist  and not some wackjob with a tinfoil yarmulke, Gadsen flag tattoo, ranting and raving about chemtrails being funded by the Rothschild family.    The first directs attention at real threats, the second will be used to try and cut the throat of the 2A.  Okay, people are going to try and use this do do that irrespectively but the second would give them more traction.


    *edited to add*
    Okay, starting to read that "the shooter's FB page has a big picture of Bernie Sanders and identifies himself as a Democratic Socialist".     
     
    « Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 11:02:12 am by LowKey »

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    Re: Congressional shooting
    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2017, 10:57:16 am »
    From what an eyewitness (Rep. Ron DeSantis - R, from Florida) reported on FOX News earlier, the shooter allegedly (ALLEGEDLY being the key word at this point) asked him if the Congresspersons practicing were Republicans or Democrats shortly before retrieving his weapon(s) and opening fire.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2017, 11:30:09 am »
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/james-hodgkinson

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    « Reply #5 on: June 14, 2017, 03:12:39 pm »
    I posted this on facebook a whie back and it seems to fit pretty well.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 14, 2017, 03:18:35 pm »
    nothing new here, Socialists have been killing people to get their way for 100 years now.....
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    « Reply #7 on: June 14, 2017, 03:34:01 pm »
    nothing new here, Socialists have been killing people to get their way for 100 years now.....

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    « Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 05:04:58 pm »
    These idiots are going to keep pushing until they get what they want, and when they do, they aren't going to like it.  They don't seem to realize that there's a very thin line between "can't" and "shouldn't".  Just because we shouldn't, doesn't mean we can't. 

    This is a can of worms they really don't want to open.  (Murphy's Law of Evolving System Dynamics:  Once you open a can of worms, the only way to re-can them is to use a larger can.) 

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    « Reply #9 on: June 15, 2017, 05:34:01 pm »
    These idiots are going to keep pushing until they get what they want, and when they do, they aren't going to like it.  They don't seem to realize that there's a very thin line between "can't" and "shouldn't".  Just because we shouldn't, doesn't mean we can't. 

    This is a can of worms they really don't want to open.  (Murphy's Law of Evolving System Dynamics:  Once you open a can of worms, the only way to re-can them is to use a larger can.) 



    That's a can of worms nobody should want to open.

    These morons don't get it. If they normalize this, if they say it's okay to shoot Republican politicians because "Revolution" or "Self Defense" or whatever, then mainstream (or, more likely, less-nutty fringe) Democrats are eventual gonna start shooting Republican politicans. And then sooner or later (probably sooner), Republicans are going to say "F*** this!" and start shooting Democrat politicans. Then the Democrats are going to say "F*** this!" and start shooting Conservatives. And then the Conservatives are going to say "F*** this!" and start shooting Liberals. And then we'll have The Yugoslav Wars writ-large in our own backyards.
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    « Reply #10 on: June 16, 2017, 01:03:51 am »
    That's a can of worms nobody should want to open.

    These morons don't get it. If they normalize this, if they say it's okay to shoot Republican politicians because "Revolution" or "Self Defense" or whatever, then mainstream (or, more likely, less-nutty fringe) Democrats are eventual gonna start shooting Republican politicans. And then sooner or later (probably sooner), Republicans are going to say "F*** this!" and start shooting Democrat politicans. Then the Democrats are going to say "F*** this!" and start shooting Conservatives. And then the Conservatives are going to say "F*** this!" and start shooting Liberals. And then we'll have The Yugoslav Wars writ-large in our own backyards.

    I brought the possibility of that sort of thing happening in another thread and apparently the consensus is 'that can't happen here'. :facepalm

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    « Reply #11 on: June 16, 2017, 01:22:47 am »
    Well, it's not like y'all haven't been yelling "buy guns so you can fight government tyranny" for the last eight years or so...

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    « Reply #12 on: June 16, 2017, 01:38:30 am »
    It doesn't really matter what happens. My duty as a citizen doesn't change. Be politically involved/aware, defend the bill of rights, and have the means that we are allowed as free men to do so. That when one attempts to take our liberties by force, we have the ability to defend them by force as an absolute last resort. Walking the road of liberty minded society we have the soap box, then a block later the ballot box, and then 15 miles later down that road we have the cartridge box.

    In short: be kind, be knowledgeable of our historical roots, and carry a gun and zen the fluff up. It'll be ok, because as a populace we have overcome things before. We still have a handful of good men and women in office, in uniform, and in voting population.

    I ain't going into a bunker and I ain't changing my daily life  :coffee, just cos there continues to be individuals who try to dismantle out system. Besides, we already agreed that antifa are pussies and so are most 'lone wolf' incidents like this shooting.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 16, 2017, 01:48:42 am »
    Well, it's not like y'all haven't been yelling "buy guns so you can fight government tyranny" for the last eight years or so...
    Yet the eight years of Obama wiping his ass with the Constitution only led to...  The Bundy sideshow.  No one started shooting.  *waits for Booksmart to trot out some obscure example*  Okay fine, no one started shooting congressmen.*

    You may argue that Trump gives about as much deference to the Constitution as his predecessor did...  And you would be right, more or less...  Still, if we put up with yours for eight years, you can put up with mine.

    We cross a line - a really big line - when we start shooting people on account of their differing political views.  If this becomes a trend... Then the snowball has started down the mountain.


    * (Giffords does not count, as it was not politically motivated. Loughner was/is just bats___ crazy.)

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    « Reply #14 on: June 16, 2017, 05:39:25 am »
    Yet the eight years of Obama wiping his ass with the Constitution only led to...  The Bundy sideshow.  No one started shooting.  *waits for Booksmart to trot out some obscure example*  Okay fine, no one started shooting congressmen.*

    When someone from the left does this according to the press they are, "lone, deranged, and mentally ill".
    If someone from the right were to do this they would be, "part of a vast, regressive, dangerous segment in society".

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    « Reply #15 on: June 16, 2017, 09:55:20 am »
    I brought the possibility of that sort of thing happening in another thread and apparently the consensus is 'that can't happen here'. :facepalm


    I've repeated more or less that same comment to friends and family, both on FB and in person, and the general consensuses (consensi?) seem to be either "it can't happen here," or "bring it! Those [BLEEP]ing Commies won't know what hit 'em!" :facepalm indeed.

     
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    « Reply #16 on: June 16, 2017, 09:56:34 am »
    Besides, we already agreed that antifa are pussies and so are most 'lone wolf' incidents like this shooting.
    An awful lot of people have been killed by cowards with guns over the course of time, both lone wolves and in packs.


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    « Reply #17 on: June 16, 2017, 10:18:52 am »
    I agree with your evaluation of distances between soap box, ballot box, and ammo box, Kaso. 

    My assessment of Obama's administration is that he made poor decisions with regard to foreign policy (some of which was just bad decision making, some of which was wishful thinking, and some were actually very smart and canny). With regards to domestic policy and the Constitution, the man taught Constitutional Law for 12 years. He knew precisely what he could and could not do with regards to the law.  To be frank, a lot of what y'all blame him for started with the Patriot Act*, after 9/11 - domestic surveillance, etc.

    Trump has no such background. He has no idea what the fluff he's doing. Where Obama's EOs were careful and did precisely what he needed, Trump's are broadband and have myriad unintended consequences - some of which have already proven to hurt US interests.

    This shooting isn't the results of 5 months of Trump. It's the result of 5-6 years of increasing partisanship in Congress during the Clinton Administration, 8 years of the Bush Administration's "You're with us or you're traitors to the US" and increasing partisanship, 8 years of political stonewalling and partisanship, and 5 months of amateur hour politics with a side of "fluff you and anything that resembles good policy".


    *You'll notice I'm not blaming Bush specifically for that - he didn't write the bill.

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    « Reply #18 on: June 16, 2017, 10:53:26 am »
    With regards to domestic policy and the Constitution, the man taught Constitutional Law for 12 years. He knew precisely what he could and could not do with regards to the law get away with, and he pushed that boundary.  To be frank, a lot of what y'all blame him for started with the Patriot Act*, after 9/11 - domestic surveillance, etc.
    If I am honest here, I firmly believe that BHO hated the ideals that America was built upon, and he did his level best to subvert and sabotage it.  I truly believe that. 

    Trump has no such background. He has no idea what the fluff he's doing. Where Obama's EOs were careful and did precisely what he needed, Trump's are broadband and have myriad unintended consequences - some of which have already proven to hurt US interests.
    Trump is not as effective as he could be - and people like you probably want to avoid interrupting your enemy while he is making mistakes.  ;)  No, he is inefficient, and rather doesn't understand how the capitol works.  If he did...  Dear Lord, things would be getting done.  For all of the things he is not, Trump is a genius at reading (and playing) people for his own ends.

    This shooting isn't the results of 5 months of Trump. It's the result of 5-6 years of increasing partisanship in Congress during the Clinton Administration, 8 years of the Bush Administration's "You're with us or you're traitors to the US" and increasing partisanship, 8 years of political stonewalling and partisanship, and 5 months of amateur hour politics with a side of "fluff you and anything that resembles good policy".
    I fully agree.  Both sides are at fault for the increasing divide between Left and Right America.  But you know who is really to blame?  The media.  All of it.  From Breitbart to MJ, and everything in between.  If the media spent half of the airtime that they do attacking their respective boogeymen, and spent it trying to find common ground among all Americans...  We would not have half of the divisions that we do.

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    « Reply #19 on: June 16, 2017, 11:05:23 am »
    ...8 years of political stonewalling and partisanship...
    So if when republicans blocked Obama's agenda, it was 'stonewalling and partisanship,' (it was, but Thank God they did block some, because it needed blocked) what do you call democrats' efforts to oppose Trump at every turn?

    Just curious. :hmm

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    But you know who is really to blame?  The media.  All of it.  From Breitbart to MJ, and everything in between.  If the media spent half of the airtime that they do attacking their respective boogeymen, and spent it trying to find common ground among all Americans...  We would not have half of the divisions that we do.

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    « Reply #21 on: June 16, 2017, 12:38:52 pm »
    This.

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    That's what the universities are supposed to do, instead of being leftist indoctrination centers.

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    « Reply #22 on: June 16, 2017, 02:16:32 pm »
    So if when republicans blocked Obama's agenda, it was 'stonewalling and partisanship,' (it was, but Thank God they did block some, because it needed blocked) what do you call democrats' efforts to oppose Trump at every turn?

    Just curious. :hmm

    To be honest, we're probably waiting for him to actually send some legislation... so far, it's been nothing but grandstanding, Executive Orders, and nominations of people who really are not qualified to do the job they've been nominated for.

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    « Reply #23 on: June 16, 2017, 02:27:26 pm »
    I agree with your evaluation of distances between soap box, ballot box, and ammo box, Kaso. 


    Hey, my dude, that was my quote I believe you're referring to  ;).


    That's what the universities are supposed to do, instead of being leftist indoctrination centers.


    In my uni in Texas, they forced us to have a mandatory lunch with a guest trans speaker and all that day we had to attend 'diversity' panels. All it was was sessions talking about feminism and race relations between blacks and those horrible police officers that keep us safe.

    There's no such thing as political discourse these days. You have the wrong opinion, then you'll get ostracised. Keep it up? They'll take your job, your social standing, etc. Remember comrades, if you don't fall in line and lock step with the newsspeak then they'll lock you up for thought crime.

    *spits* uni's are a politically correct and filth laden latrine. Between the current zeitgeist of lambasting political discussion and our apathetic office holders who are, oh so ignorant, of their constituents, we definitely have heaps of work to do.

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    « Reply #24 on: June 16, 2017, 03:24:18 pm »
    ...and nominations of people who really are not qualified to do the job they've been nominated for.
    Uh huh.  :coffee  There is a world of difference between being unqualified to do a job, and doing a job in a way that you don't like, or differently than the last administration's tool did it.

    For example, you probably list EdSec DeVos in that category?  The big complaint being that she has never had experience in or with the public education system, and is thus unqualified to run it?  To me that is a Big point in her favor.  Public education (like the government) is a monstrously inefficient bureaucracy, and the best way to cut through the fat is going to be by bringing in an untainted outsider.

    Or maybe Rick 'shut down the DoE' Perry, to run said agency?  Could Not think of a better person for the job. :thumbup1

    ETA: Or Scott Pruitt, who was challenging the EPA in court before he moved up to run it?  Or the firebrand Nikki Haley for the UN?  Both excellent appointments, in my view.
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