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"Marine Gunner"
« on: July 25, 2012, 02:36:57 PM »
I want to share with everyone what a "Marine Gunner" is but I don't want to come accross as full of myself.  I am just a Marine who has dedicated his career to learning and teaching infantry weapons and tactics.  Many of you who read this post know more about guns than I ever will, some of you don't.  I joined this forum to learn things outside Marine firearms and to teach about the things that I know when I fell I can contribute to a topic.  So here goes;

A 'Marine Gunner' is an Infantry Weapons Officer.  He is qualified to train Marines on the proper employment of all weapons systems organic to the infantry.  That includes, but is not limited to, pistols, rifles, machineguns, rockets, mortars, missles, and explosives.   He must also be proficient with all accessories associated with those weapons like day and night optics and laser designators.

Unlike a typical Warrant Officer MOS whos only qualifications for selection are that he is a Sgt (E5) with 8 years of active duty , to qualify for selection as a 'Marine Gunner' you must be a Gunnery Sergeant (E7) with 16 years active duty in the infantry with proven competance accross the range of weapons with which you have been exposed and have served as an Infantry Platoon Sergeant.  Upon selection Marines are promoted to the rank of Chief Warrant Officer 2 but a 'Marine Gunner' is always refered to as 'Gunner, never Chief Warrant Officer.
There are about 102 Gunners total in the Corps.  After a tour with an Infantry Battalion we move on to billets as Regimental and Division Gunners, Range OIC's and various other positions where we continue to teach infantry skills to Marines.

I am the priciple adviser to the Battalion Commander on weapons and tactics.  I have an active role in all infantry training events and report to and work with the Operations Officer.  And best of all, I get my own parking space.

I hope to learn a lot within this community.  If you ever have a question for me please don't hesitate to email me.

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2012, 02:51:34 PM »
OK, so when I was spending some quality time in Bagram helping the incoming CJTF-82 guys get trained on CASOPS they had a Marine Warrant in the cell that we trained as well that everyone called "Gunner"....I thought they just had an affectionate nickname for him... now that make sense.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 03:00:35 PM »
A lot of Marine Corps Chief Warrant Officers are incorrectly referred to as 'Gunner'.  This is because traditionally, before there were actually Infantry Weapons Officers with the official designation of Gunner, Marine CWO's were referred to as 'Gunner' out of respect. That was pre 1990.  It still continues today in non-infantry units.

A Marine Gunner can be identified by his rank insignia.  On the right collar you will see the CWO bar.  On the left collar you will see a black bursting bomb.  Marine Gunners are the only CWO's who wear the bursting bomb.  Everyone else is just a Chief Warrant Officer.

As for your experience I cannot say.  He may have been a true Gunner.  Maybe not.
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Re: "Marine Gunner"
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 03:35:50 PM »
And best of all, I get my own parking space.
Gotta love it.
Welcome and Thanks Gunner.


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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 10:05:29 PM »
I have enjoyed your posts so far, and look forward to more. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2012, 11:24:15 AM »
"Gunner" and "Master Guns" were two things I learned about the Corps during my deployment to Afghanistan a couple of years back.

"Gunny" was one I already knew.  (Although "Gunny" in the Marines is different than a Gunny in an Army artillery gun/missile battery.)

Just to get further clarification in my own mind, does a Master Guns have any special qualifications, other than being a non-CSM track E9?
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2012, 01:43:26 PM »
No,a Master Guns (Master Gunnery Sergeant) does not have any special qualifications.

Every Gunnery Sergeant (E7) in the Marines has to pick a career path for future promotion.  They can either go to the administrative side and become a First Sergeant (E8) or go the operations route and become a Master Sergeant (E8).  The Corps gets to vote on that as well.  Once the promotion is made you are on that side of the house forever more.  Master Sergeants get promoted to Master Gunnery sergeant (E9) and Fisrt Sergeants get promoted to Sergeant Major (E9).  We do not have CSM (Command Sergeant Major) but their is one more enlisted rank in the Marine Corps and that is 'Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps' (E9).  He even has his own rank insignia.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2012, 05:19:10 PM »
Great stuff.  A welcome peek inside the Corps for those of us not familiar with it.  Thanks for posting.   :thumbup1
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2012, 07:23:55 PM »
Welcome!  Has the IAR been introduced yet?
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 03:48:51 AM »
A short anecdote on the subject of 1stSgt vs Master Sgt, etc -

Our company 1sgt that joined our infantry company just before my last deployment (back in '97-'98) had spent his entire career up to that point in supply, but wanted to retire as a First Sgt rather than as a Master Sgt, so he managed to get some strings pulled and got sent to an infantry company. Now, he was a nice enough guy, and you gotta respect him for, at his age, trying to do what us young 03's had been doing for awhile - it took some balls and he showed he had some serious heart, but he had a hell of a time with the physical side of the workup - the hikes, the runs, the long weeks out in the field - and most entertaining were the rides in the helos or fastboats. He would prone out on the floor of the birds or the kodiaks with his face buried in his Kevlar to attempt to hide his puking, and holding on for dear life to the corners of the ride! 

It was a little tough to keep motivation up among the company when the 1stSgt, whose supposed to be leading the hike is falling back. The NCO's and senior NCO's would help try to play it off like he was going back to check the lines - whatever worked.

The old guy toughed it out and made it through the training and our deployment, and was able to retire with the feather in his cap of having run an infantry company. Like I said, gotta give him credit, he stuck it out even though he was way out of his element at first, and not physically up to par - but he kept at it. Couldn't have been easy - he was pushing 50, and had spent the vast majority of his career handing out uniforms and maybe doing minimal PT, then thrust into our circumstance, with a bunch of 20-year-old (and younger) kids who were gung ho and had been doing the really hard PT and long steep hikes and runs almost daily for years.

Anyways, it's a big deal to retire on the 1stSgt side of things rather than Master Sgt. Not to demean the Master Sgt side either - I knew a seriously tough and grungy Master Gunnery Sgt who was tough as nails!

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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 05:09:11 AM »
Yeah, that happens quite a bit.  He didn't really pulls any strings to get in an infantry unti though.  They like to move them out of their MOS once they pick up 1stSgt.  Spread the knowledge or diversity, whatever you want to call it.  Infantry guys who go the 1stSgt route often find themselves in a support unit like CLB or the Wing, and they destroy those boys on the PT field.  Then they fight like hell to get back to the grunts.

It is often a point of contention in the Corps, that of putting 1stSgt's without an 03 background in the infantry.  The best 1stSgt I ever served with was 1stSgt Evans in 2D LAI Bn, 1993-1994.  He had an MP background but he exemplified the phrase 'Every Marine a Rifleman'.  I never knew he was an MP until years after serving with him.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 09:37:16 AM »
I don't think I've ever seen that happen in the Army, at least not in that direction.  I have occasionally seen a 1SG with a combat arms background in a support type unit, but not often.

You get 11C (mortarman) 1SGs in the HHC of tank battalions fairly frequently, on the theory that 11Cs spend a big chunk of their careers in HHCs, and thus have a better understanding of their quirks than line company tankers/infantry.  It's also not uncommon for being 1SG in an HHC to be a second gig as a 1SG, due to the challenges of HHCs (size - up to around 350 troops in a tank Bn, and all the fun that goes along with having the Bn/Bde HQ and staff in your company.)
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2016, 11:21:07 AM »
Read the post about the Marine Gunner,  during the 1960 Marine Gunners were in the 0302, 0802, 1802 and other MOSs there was no 0306 in the 1960.  I'm the last Marine Gunner in the Marine Artillery 1958-1988. I retired in April 1988.  I'm a 0802 a Marine Artillery officer.  Just look back and see the history and see and understand the meaning.  The 0306 came along in the 1992.  And the 0302 Marine Gunners were Infantry Officer.  Now the 0306 is a is a Infantry Weapons Officer,   
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2016, 04:01:05 PM »
Thanks for the clarification and thanks for your service.   And welcome to WTA .     :thumbup1
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2016, 08:39:53 PM »
A short anecdote on the subject of 1stSgt vs Master Sgt, etc -

Our company 1sgt that joined our infantry company just before my last deployment (back in '97-'98) had spent his entire career up to that point in supply, but wanted to retire as a First Sgt rather than as a Master Sgt, so he managed to get some strings pulled and got sent to an infantry company. Now, he was a nice enough guy, and you gotta respect him for, at his age, trying to do what us young 03's had been doing for awhile - it took some balls and he showed he had some serious heart, but he had a hell of a time with the physical side of the workup - the hikes, the runs, the long weeks out in the field - and most entertaining were the rides in the helos or fastboats. He would prone out on the floor of the birds or the kodiaks with his face buried in his Kevlar to attempt to hide his puking, and holding on for dear life to the corners of the ride! 

It was a little tough to keep motivation up among the company when the 1stSgt, whose supposed to be leading the hike is falling back. The NCO's and senior NCO's would help try to play it off like he was going back to check the lines - whatever worked.

The old guy toughed it out and made it through the training and our deployment, and was able to retire with the feather in his cap of having run an infantry company. Like I said, gotta give him credit, he stuck it out even though he was way out of his element at first, and not physically up to par - but he kept at it. Couldn't have been easy - he was pushing 50, and had spent the vast majority of his career handing out uniforms and maybe doing minimal PT, then thrust into our circumstance, with a bunch of 20-year-old (and younger) kids who were gung ho and had been doing the really hard PT and long steep hikes and runs almost daily for years.

Anyways, it's a big deal to retire on the 1stSgt side of things rather than Master Sgt. Not to demean the Master Sgt side either - I knew a seriously tough and grungy Master Gunnery Sgt who was tough as nails!

Bill

I wasn't a Marine but I was an Army SSG who went back on active duty at age 40 after an 18 year lay off so i can relate to how he felt. . I did two years in my normal career field of aviation and then decided I wanted to be at least and E8 and better yet an E9, so at age 42, I re-qualified as infantry and then attended Infantry Basic Non Commissioned Officer Course, was promoted to E7 and took over as a platoon sgt for 40 odd 20 year olds.

I learned that puking on a 5K morning platoon run wasn't nearly as bad as the serious hurling I did on the every single blessed Friday morning Battalion 10K. I also learned that "light Infantry" meant carrying every bit of tactical gear you were issued on your back chest and hips as opposed to loading it the APC. I finally went to Advanced NCO Course and was DA selected for ISG two months before i broke three vertebrae in a fall backwards into a ravine whilke doing a night retrograde. I was med retired  at age 52 after 16 years total service but it broke my heart because I really didn't want to leave.

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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2016, 09:33:41 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2016, 06:50:25 AM »
Greetings and welcome!
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