Clubbing, traditional and neo.

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On the RTF G23 thread, the subject of using a pistol as a blunt instrument came up.
   
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Re: Glock 23RTF2
« Reply #162 on: Yesterday at 08:28:36 AM »
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Oh yeah, well, well, you ,you, just try to beat a chicken to death with an empty Glock vs an empty Dan Wesson

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Re: Glock 23RTF2
« Reply #163 on: Today at 09:14:13 AM »
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I dunno...polymer pistols still have pretty weighty slides.
I've never used anything but a 1911 as a hammer though, and that only to fix itself.

Ben

This brought to mind a story in a mil-blog a few years back, it may have been Blackeagle's.  Anyway an officer took an unauthorized and deliberately  overlooked Colt Light Weight Commander.   He got into a situation and ran dry and was making severe attitude adjustments with it empty.  He bent his dust cover.
With the help of his troopers and a piece of rebar he got it operational again. 

So I been thinking about this some more.  While a steel frame pistol is a proven pain, would the polymer frame pistols be able to step up to the job?  The plastic frame could possibly beat out an aluminum frame in standing up to abuse and as stated they tend to have rather weighty slides.  Also If you had a Sure Fire flash ligh and/or laser mounted would that add to the beat down effect?
I propose and experiment a selection of pistols would be used to dispatch some chickens.  Afterwards we could have fried potatoes and mashed chicken. 

[Harm]

Wow this thread is not what I thought it was about at all... 

For some reason I am reminded of Wyatt Earp's infamous buffalo'ing of rowdy clientele.

I think that I'd RATHER be hit with a polymer one than steel, but that given the right "enthusiasm" a polymer pistol would do just fine. 

[Deer Hunter]

I used to despise S&W's full lug on their revolvers.

However, my 625 could knock out a moose if used right.

[JesseL]

I used to despise S&W's full lug on their revolvers.

However, my 625 could knock out a moose if used right.

With a swing out double action revolver though, you run a real risk of bending the crane or screwing with the timing.

What you need for a real pistol whipping:

[Bud]

I was in a fight for my life one time and clubbed a maggot with a six inch Model 66. I was holding him at gunpoint when he swung around, thinking I was right behind him, and then he had to lunge at the pistol because I was about six feet away. When he lunged I pulled back and then just instinctively cracked him across the top of the head.

I knew it was a mistake right away (I can be very intuitive) because of the huge explosion of blood as he headed for the ground with both eyes crossed.

My bacon was saved when the perp regained conciousness and told a supervisor, "I'm glad he just hit me. When I couldn't reach him I thought he was going to cap me".

I popped a guy in the back of the head one time with a button sap as he was disassembling another cop. He turned around, pointed his finger at me and said, "you're next a**hole" and went back to beating the cop. It took six of us to take him down.

[Harm]

I popped a guy in the back of the head one time with a button sap as he was disassembling another cop. He turned around, pointed his finger at me and said, "you're next a**hole" and went back to beating the cop. It took six of us to take him down.

I may not be thinking of the right tool when I envision a Baton Sap but man that one made me 

Kill It With FIRE!!

[GeorgeHill]

I knocked the teeth out of a guy's head with a S&W 696.  I had a Maglite around here as a trophy, but I think it got lifted out of the back of my truck.

[luke213(adamsholsters)]

Somewhere at home I've got a couple flashlights pre mag light days that my Grandfather had racked guys with back in the 60's. Every time he had to smack someone with one and it would bend in the middle he would put it aside to keep, at one point we used to have 4-5 of them:) He was the local Constable in a small town in Lower Michigan but there were allot of migrant workers and others who would get liquored up on the weekends and need a little flashlight adjustment;)

Amazing how times have changed, if a guy did that these days you'd be on the news.

Luke

(I don't mean this in any racist means, I'm honestly not sure if his intentions were on the right side of that argument or not, he died quite a few years back and no one really ever knew. So unknown just know the circumstances of the lights)

[CameronS]

I popped a guy in the back of the head one time with a button sap as he was disassembling another cop. He turned around, pointed his finger at me and said, "you're next a**hole" and went back to beating the cop. It took six of us to take him down.

Good grief . . . 

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In ye olde days mainline leather police supply companies sold lines of saps and black jacks. Saps were given preference in some departments because the round shape was thought to make the damage deeper and more concentrated.   Of course if you had a pissed off cop with a sap and he hit you with the edge of it.....

[Nightcrawler]

I knocked the teeth out of a guy's head with a S&W 696.

"Smith and Wesson make a heavy firearm, that's a fact."   Were you on horseback?   

[Nightcrawler]

Oh, when I saw a thread about clubbing, I originally had a very wrong idea.

[Outbreak]

I pistol whipped a cop once. He didn't like it.

No, really, we had a couple cops on the plane for anti-hijacking. Those guys are very good about helping us out, so this one was helping me secure the giant cooler to the floor. I was showing him how to use the 5,000LB tie down straps and bent over the cooler. The M-9, in shoulder holster, swung around and got him right in the side of the head. He was REALLY pissed.

[Bud]

A button sap (named for the large silkver dollar sized brass "button" sen inside the the sap) was also known as a flat sap or a Texan sap.

Pretty dangerous them seleves but the round sap, especially the spring loaded ones, could break bones or cause skull fractures.



I only varried one for a couple of years. When Kel Light cxame out, my favorite became a three C cell because it would fit in the "sap" pocket on the seam of my right pant leg.

Had to be careful with those also because they could easily split the skin open.

Most cop fights are not usually trading punches. Most are getting the guy down on the ground and restrained and that was usually a "pile on" situation.

I was traveling down a road in my trusty 1970 428 Ford CobraJet police car when the rasio did the "beep, beep, beep" of an "all call" or all units on all frequencies call and they announced a mental patient had set fire to his Mother's house after tying her and his sister up in the house and then hasd stolen a three axle dump truck.

I was listening to this dispatch as my head was turning watchinng a three axle dump truck drive past me going the other way.

I managed to make a high speed turnabout without hitting anything and took off after him.

He saw me coming with my lights on and accelerated and the chase was on.

I called in pursuit and area cars started chiming in that they were backing me up and we were suddenly in a parade.

The nutcase started trying to hit on coming cars which caused the adrenals to start pumping a little harder and I decided the only way to stop a rampaging three axle loaded with gravel dumo truck was to get past him and slow him down by pumping my brakes until he came to a stop.

This was turning out to be great fun until he actually slammed into the squad the first time and I watched the trunk lid of the squad block out the rear window and then he hit me the second time and tturned me sideways but he stalled his truck out.

I was really pissed so I was out of the car like a shot, trusty Kel light in my hand. I climbed up alongside the driver's door as numbnuts was trying to start the truck. I realized the window was up and was trying to open the driver's door when the door window exploded. A cop named Bill Hornung decided to end the chase by firing at the driver just as I arrived at the door so I was still in shock when the perp opened the door and tried to push me off the step.

By that time, all I could see were hands coming up behind me and the perp was pulled out of the cab and actually looked like he was in a mosh pit for a moment but then nothing but  leather and wood coming down on this guy from all directions could be seen.. I have no idea how many times he was hit but they didn't bother cuffing him for a while as we shut sirens off and supervisors started sending people back to their patrol areas.

[ZeroTA]

Seriously man, write a book. I will buy one.

[Precious Roy]

I accidentally hit myself in the nose/mouth area with a fully loaded Glock 21 and it wasn't the least bit pleasant.  If fell from a high shelf as I was on the floor hooking up a piece of equipment.  Somehow the holster which was bolted to the top shelf came unsnapped during my jostling of the shelf unit and I looked up just in time to see it falling right towards my face.  A fully loaded Glock 21 dropped from a height of six feet or so which impacts your face will definitely make one see stars plus leave bruises, bloody your nose and split your lip.

[Outbreak]

I accidentally hit myself in the nose/mouth area with a fully loaded Glock 21 and it wasn't the least bit pleasant.  If fell from a high shelf as I was on the floor hooking up a piece of equipment.  Somehow the holster which was bolted to the top shelf came unsnapped during my jostling of the shelf unit and I looked up just in time to see it falling right towards my face.  A fully loaded Glock 21 dropped from a height of six feet or so which impacts your face will definitely make one see stars plus leave bruises, bloody your nose and split your lip.

Never try to catch a falling gun!

[coyotesfan97]

I've got my Dad's old sap from his reserve days.  It looks like the "Texan" in the flat saps section of the ad Bud posted.  I wish I could carry it.  You slap your palm lightly with it and it hurts.  I would rather have it then the ASPs we carry now.

When I first started I worked with a guy who carried a 4 or 5 D cell flashlight.  I used to think it looked 3 feet long.  He'd point with it and double the length of his arm.

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And then there was the scumbag who accused the officer of deliberately sharpening the edges of his front sight so that they'd cut more.  


New security guard: "Damn sarge, I don't know if carrying a collapse-able baton is worth it.  I just got back from the class and they listed more places you couldn't hit than you could.  About the only approved strike was to the outside of the thigh to get that big nerve that runs along there."
Sarge, ex-cop, ex-military: "look you carry the longest baton with the heaviest head on it that you can stand.  When things get hairy you'll forget what little training you got.  Your job is to get home alive and unmangled.  You may get into trouble if you get caught using an overhead strike on a video camera, but that is preferable to being buried.  A bad hit with the baton is preferable to shooting these days.  Your pepper spray will work in most situations, you'll get it on you also.  Just remember to wash your hands before you take a pee afterwards.  When you pull the baton for anything but breaking glass, things had better be desperate.   

[LittleLebowski]

  I believe a Glock would not suffer any damage unlike the Colt's dust cover. 

[bmitchell]

How about with one of those Jentra rail weights, for the added...recoil reduction.

Ben

[Harm]

I wonder if the era of the colt being used might also come into play?  I've long been told that the steel used in 1911's in the 50's is not the same quality of metalurgy we expect today.  If thats the case...

[Storyteller]

As part of an impromptu gathering, I was once forced smacked a guy up side the head with a Charter arms 2" .38. Wasn't until the next time I took it to the range I found out I had bent the ejector rod and couldn't extract the empty's. It would shoot fine, just wouldn't empty. A short visit with the departments armourer and it worked perfect. Got myself a #894 sap and a "kel light" the same day.

[bmitchell]

Applegate's Kill or Get Killed has an illustration of pistol-whipping that looks like it is effective based on the expression of the target.

Ben

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The Colt Lightweight Commander has an aluminum alloy frame.