Who here has been injured while training or shooting?

[M1911a1lvr]

Okay so here is an update on my incident with the kid who shot me. Just last week he attended a firearms safety class that a friend of mine taught, I was AI for his course on basic firearms safety. Well that kid showed up, and we got a bit nervous. But they same rules applied to this class as in mine. Well this time no one got shot, the kid took down some good notes and really payed attention to what we were saying. The kid even walked up to me during the class and asked a lot of questions, Mostly about CCW and the laws of VT. I told him that i didn't think that he was at a point in his maturity and gun handling skills to consider CCW. He took it in stride and continued with the course. When we went to the shooting portion, we kept a very close eye on him. He has improved by at least 500% in his safety and awareness of others and his muzzle control. He followed instructions to the letter, so i asked him what was up. He smiled at me and said this to me. " I really learned from my mistake, I have a much better attitude and respect for safety and for firearms. Thanks for  helping me understand."

  I think that is the best apology that i have ever been given, this kid has really grown up in the last couple of months. So my buddy and i took him and some of the other students to dinner after the class. He will be joining us for our Tactical Rifle 1 and Defensive Pistol 1 class next month. He leaves for USA basic at Ft Leonard Wood at the end of April. He is going to be an MP.

[THE NORSEMAN]

EXCELLENT!! Sorry you had to take incoming fire to get him where he is though.

[M1911a1lvr]

EXCELLENT!! Sorry you had to take incoming fire to get him where he is though.

   Yeah tell me about it. At least we didn't loose a shooter over it in more ways then one.

[sohmdaddy]

During a basic pistol class one of the angled-down 8 inch steel plate targets worked its way up to flat with the shooter. I fired at the plate and was rewarded with a loud 'ping' and a stinging slap to the left knee. I calmly decocked and holstered my weapon and took a step back off the firing line to see what happened. Slight bleeding for a minute or two, just sheared a few layers of skin off the top. One of the instructors, after I showed him the perpendicular plate shot the lower edge of the plate, knocking it back to the right angle.


At a different range, a few years later, my wife and I went to shoot her new revolver. This range had set up plates and hanging and spinner steel targets starting at about 25-30 yards out. As we walk toward the 10 yard end of the range, we pass a gun shooting at a steel spinner 25 yds out. He shoots as we pass him, and my wife gets whacked on the shoulder.   

I don't like to see her upset and in pain, but there was no damage and I try to calm her down. I also notice that all the steel targets are not angled down, but are facing flat to the shooters. We are ok at the far end of the range.

While I'm shooting, she's annoyed and rapidly getting bored, so she goes to get the shop vac to clean up our brass. She heads to middle of the line, where some guys are shooting AR's at hanging steel strips set out about 30 yards.

On her way back, she takes a hit in her calf, and this does cause some damage. She is a little nervous around guns to begin with, and now she's really pissed and upset, asking if we can just go, she doesn't like it here, guns are stupid, let's just leave, etc. . .

I'm pretty annoyed too, so we pack up and go to the car. In the car, I realize that there is a chunk of lead stuck just under the skin, so we pull it out with some swiss army tweezers.

I was annoyed that they used steel targets that didn't angle down, and that the range would allow people to hit those hanging targets with such a light weight, zippy round that wouldn't change the angle of the plate on impact. And at the relatively short distance of 30 yards.

I don't think we've been to that range since.

[M1911a1lvr]

   Yeah tell me about it. At least we didn't loose a shooter over it in more ways then one.

   Well here is another update from my incident. The PD won't be returning my vest to me. Since it was evidence in a shooting and has taken an impact from a round. They are going to have it destroyed, This really sucks. That vest is over 600$. Now I have to file a claim through my renters insurance to have it replaced. I'm going to talk to a lawyer and see what recourse i have to get it back from the PD. At least they could give me back the carrier and the back panel. The only things that was really damaged was the trauma plate. Oh as for the kid, I just did a tactical carbine class with him this weekend. I wasn't an instructor but a student. He shot next to me the whole day, I must say that he has improved a lot in the last few months. Didn't have any problems with him at all.

[Thernlund]

Can you make him pay for the vest?  He broke it after all.


-T.

[Storyteller]

I was annoyed that they used steel targets that didn't angle down, and that the range would allow people to hit those hanging targets with such a light weight, zippy round that wouldn't change the angle of the plate on impact. And at the relatively short distance of 30 yards.

Shot at similar range once, had part of the jacket from a .38 super hit me in the right shoulder and the rest of it end up imbedded in the jaw of the guy next to me. I don't think he ever went back either.

[sohmdaddy]

Pretty annoying, isn't it?

[Storyteller]

Yep, but on the up side I was later able to buy that .38 super pretty cheap. Owner didn't like the "recoil". I found it kinda stimulating. I did mention to the rangemaster that the plates would do better angled.

[M1911a1lvr]

Can you make him pay for the vest?  He broke it after all.


-T.

   Well i guess i could ask the kid next time i see him.

[LoneStarNational]

  Well here is another update from my incident. The PD won't be returning my vest to me. Since it was evidence in a shooting and has taken an impact from a round. They are going to have it destroyed, This really sucks. That vest is over 600$. Now I have to file a claim through my renters insurance to have it replaced. I'm going to talk to a lawyer and see what recourse i have to get it back from the PD. At least they could give me back the carrier and the back panel. The only things that was really damaged was the trauma plate. Oh as for the kid, I just did a tactical carbine class with him this weekend. I wasn't an instructor but a student. He shot next to me the whole day, I must say that he has improved a lot in the last few months. Didn't have any problems with him at all.

I'm not lawyer, and I certainly don't know anything about Vermont state law.... but....

It seems like there should be some recourse by which to get your vest back.  I would point out that although, yes it was evidence in a shooting, it WAS NOT evidence of a crime, as finally determined by the state's attorney.

Shooting and gun stuff aside, the concept that the police get to keep your stuff every time they investigate a possible crime and determine none occurred seems pretty darn shady to me....

Although I typically don't like to aggravate the police any more than I have to, I'd fight this one on principal alone...

Besides, didn't the state's attorney tell you that you could probably pursue civil charges if you wished...  How are you supposed to do that if the police destroy the evidence?

[M1911a1lvr]

I'm not lawyer, and I certainly don't know anything about Vermont state law.... but....

It seems like there should be some recourse by which to get your vest back.  I would point out that although, yes it was evidence in a shooting, it WAS NOT evidence of a crime, as finally determined by the state's attorney.

Shooting and gun stuff aside, the concept that the police get to keep your stuff every time they investigate a possible crime and determine none occurred seems pretty darn shady to me....

Although I typically don't like to aggravate the police any more than I have to, I'd fight this one on principal alone...

Besides, didn't the state's attorney tell you that you could probably pursue civil charges if you wished...  How are you supposed to do that if the police destroy the evidence?

   I still have the option of the civil suit. The vest is being held at the moment. I have up to 2 years to make a case in civil court. They have to hold on to it for that long. I just spoke with the PD Evidence/Property clerk last Friday. He also gave me the forms that i need to fill out to have it returned, I asked him about the destruction notice i got. He said that whoever sent it was incorrect, That i could have my vest back. It can be returned to me in 30 days after i fill out the request. So i will be getting it back.

[LoneStarNational]

   I still have the option of the civil suit. The vest is being held at the moment. I have up to 2 years to make a case in civil court. They have to hold on to it for that long. I just spoke with the PD Evidence/Property clerk last Friday. He also gave me the forms that i need to fill out to have it returned, I asked him about the destruction notice i got. He said that whoever sent it was incorrect, That i could have my vest back. It can be returned to me in 30 days after i fill out the request. So i will be getting it back.

Sweet.  Great news man; glad to hear it.  That makes a lot more sense to me.

[Thernlund]

That is good news indeed.


-T.

[Crash_AF]

He said that whoever sent it was incorrect, That i could have my vest back. It can be returned to me in 30 days after i fill out the request. So i will be getting it back.

Ok... I've gotta do it...

 

 

Later,
Joe

[M1911a1lvr]

Ok... I've gotta do it...

 

 

Later,
Joe

   When i get my vest back i will take some pictures of it.

[Thernlund]

I am actually pretty interested to see the plate.  Will you get that back?


-T.

[M1911a1lvr]

I am actually pretty interested to see the plate.  Will you get that back?


-T.

  I don't know if I will get the plate back, I assume so...

[freeman1685]

Does getting your pinkey caught between the bolt and breech of a .50cal Machine Gun count?  Wasn't training or shooting, was cleaning it and the idiot that was "helping" me hit the bolt release while my hand was in the way.  I had just put the damn thing together and was checking something.  Damn near took my finger off.  I had to wear a splint for 2 months.  Needless to say but I never let that kid anywhere near that piece of equipment again, least ways not while my hands were in it.