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"Texas Ag Commissioner Approves Pesticide Targeting Wild Pigs"
« on: February 27, 2017, 05:49:34 PM »
"The approved poison, Kaput Feral Hog Lure, contains warfarin, the same drug used to kill rats..."

The Texas Hog Hunters Association is against the mass poisoning effort.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/02/20/texas-ag-commissioner-approves-pesticide-targeting-wild-pigs/


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    Re: "Texas Ag Commissioner Approves Pesticide Targeting Wild Pigs"
    « Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 06:22:03 PM »
    While I understand that the hogs are a massive problem, in my opinion poisoning them is a bad idea. I seriously doubt only the pigs would be poisoned.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2017, 06:27:44 PM »
    Say goodbye to the coyote and vulture populations.
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    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2017, 06:46:35 PM »
    Say goodbye to the coyote and vulture populations.

    .........is that a bad thing?   Lol, I know...I'm bad.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2017, 06:52:52 PM »
    Yeah, probably better to just shoot them.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 27, 2017, 07:01:24 PM »
      Eh....they're as bad as our gophers are here.  Just shooting them isn't an option.....there's just too damn many and they breed to fast.   Poisen is already heavily regulated in widespread usage, this decision wasn't taken lightly.

      As big of a pest as they are.......my normal humane one-shot-one-kill beliefs kinda go out the window.  Not when they can destroy acres of someones livelihood in a single evening.,

     
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    « Reply #6 on: February 27, 2017, 07:05:41 PM »
    Unfortunately with pigs, there are constantly people releasing more of them so they can hunt them later.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 28, 2017, 12:07:28 AM »
    .........is that a bad thing?   Lol, I know...I'm bad.
    Yes, it is always bad when you f___ with the natural balance. 

    Poison can be an option on the table, but it has to be a poison that is not going to harm other wildlife - or humans who hunt and eat the hogs.  Rat poison does not pass that test.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 28, 2017, 02:36:03 AM »
    .........is that a bad thing?   Lol, I know...I'm bad.

    Carrion feeders are one of the most important links in any habitat. Healthy carrion populations reduce harmful disease transmission among herding animals by 100 to 700 percent from what studies I have seen.

    Which makes perfect sense when you think about old rotting corpses not being processed quickly enough.

    I know as far as the poison for hogs. The Aussies have had decent luck with sodium nitrite based poisons. Which is ideal as it poisons hogs but not much else. I would prefer Texas look into that solution over warfarin based poisons. Sodium nitrite is used in human food all the time. So we have a solid idea how less harmful it is than warfarin.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 28, 2017, 02:41:12 AM »
    Hell, mix some sugar into the Sodium Nitrate, and any hogs that don't die from poison, but are subsequently hunted, will be 'pre-cured.'  >:D
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    « Reply #10 on: February 28, 2017, 08:24:39 AM »
    Yes, it is always bad when you f___ with the natural balance. 

    Poison can be an option on the table, but it has to be a poison that is not going to harm other wildlife - or humans who hunt and eat the hogs.  Rat poison does not pass that test.

     I was being sarcastic ;)   Both can't be out of hand wiped out, but in both populations if they're anything similar to here, are already far, FAR over their natural balance.   I'm not opposed to other poisons if there is options, however poisoning itself is a valid option to deal with hogs.   

       
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    « Reply #11 on: February 28, 2017, 08:39:11 AM »
    I was being sarcastic ;) 
    Yes, I know, but it needed to be said.

    ...but in both populations if they're anything similar to here, are already far, FAR over their natural balance. 
    How do coyote and vulture populations get out of balance?  How do they have enough resources to sustain a larger than normal population?  If they do have enough resources to expand to a certain point, wouldn't that point be the new 'natural balance?'  Then they stay that way until things dry up, and the population shrinks to the new, sustainable level.  Maybe I'm missing something. :shrug
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    « Reply #12 on: February 28, 2017, 09:36:12 AM »
    How do coyote and vulture populations get out of balance?  How do they have enough resources to sustain a larger than normal population?  If they do have enough resources to expand to a certain point, wouldn't that point be the new 'natural balance?'  Then they stay that way until things dry up, and the population shrinks to the new, sustainable level.  Maybe I'm missing something. :shrug

    If they are feeding on food introduced by humans then they can get outside 'natural' population levels. Trash, agricultural practices, domesticated animals of all sorts can be a food source outside of 'natural'.

    I am using 'natural' in the biological sense of effected by humans.

    Whitetail deer are the ideal example of huge population growth directly from the result of human activities. So they are way outside natural population numbers, but most folks do not think of it as a negative. Coyotes and raccoons have also seen a marked population boom from humans as well.

    Some funny effects on the raccoons as well since they feed on our scraps in urban areas. Their lifespans are becoming shorter because of losses from heart disease and diabetes. Raccoons living in close proximity to humans also show a higher body fat percentage. So raccoons are having an obesity epidemic right along with the humans.   
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    « Reply #13 on: February 28, 2017, 10:28:28 AM »
    Yeah, this has "Law of Unintended Consequences" written allll over it...

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    « Reply #14 on: February 28, 2017, 09:14:30 PM »
    Agreed.  Its about on par with releasing metric tons of prescription antibiotics into the environment and then wondering why antibiotic resistant strains of super bacteria develop that we no longer have good treatment options for.
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    « Reply #15 on: March 03, 2017, 08:23:21 PM »
    I have mixed emotions about this.

    In the last 20 years, I've seen hogs go from novelty to nuisance to menace, and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight.  To the point that our target priorities are "hogs, coyotes, deer" in that order, even during deer season.  And they will run deer off feeding areas, because they are (a) less selective about what qualifies as edible, and (b) more aggressive about protecting their turf. As much as they sort of scare me (they're smarter than most of the game animals in this area, by a pretty big margin, and can figure out what hurt them, and try to figure out how to hurt back) and as much as I admire them (they are as adaptable as humans and coyotes, and just a little below rats and cockroaches) I don't think that poisons are the answer, both because of the side effects, and because it just won't work on the population as a whole.

    That said, I'm not sure what the answer is, to tell the truth.  They've got them in South Dakota, and in New Hampshire, both of which are too far north for hogs to propagate.  (Don't tell the hogs that, because they are doing just fine in both locales.)  A state biologist told me, a couple of years ago, that unless you harvest 2/3s of the population, every year, they will continue to increase.

    They are fun to hunt, in a variety of ways, (I've mentioned here how my #1 Senior Minion and I hunt them with varmint calls) and the meat is great!  But unless we can figure out a way to get them under control (check the success of ANY government program, EVER) in another 30 years every state in the union will be having a hog problem.

    Gonna take smarter people than me to figure this out, and I wish them all the luck in the world!
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    « Reply #16 on: March 03, 2017, 08:56:23 PM »
    Oh great, now we'll just be prophylactically treating them for DVT's. Why don't we give them TED hose while we're at it?  :rotfl
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    « Reply #17 on: March 04, 2017, 01:55:33 AM »
    Put a bounty on them, remove any restrictions on hunting, trapping and killing them.  Anytime, anywhere, anyway.
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    « Reply #18 on: March 04, 2017, 04:08:58 AM »
    I'm Texan. I saw on the news last night that the pesticide killing of feral hogs has been at least temporarily suspended.

    There is no bounty on feral hogs but there are also (almost) no restrictions on killing them. You can kill them any time of the day or night any time of the year. You have to have a hunting license and you can't shoot them while you are on a public road or on private property without permission. Other than that, it's pretty much game on. I've killed several.

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    « Reply #19 on: March 04, 2017, 05:02:00 AM »
    Maybe stick a bounty on them then?
    Seems like the bounty on wolves back in the day really reduced their numbers.

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    « Reply #20 on: March 04, 2017, 12:09:46 PM »
    The bounty idea might backfire.  The problem started in the first place because people kept releasing them to hunt them.  Adding a financial incentive on top of that might just lead to even more of the same behavior. 
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    « Reply #21 on: March 04, 2017, 12:31:28 PM »
    I don't know how to compete with their numbers, but it's interesting to see what methods people use around here.

    You have started to see more silenced rifles. Some use good old fashioned live traps, which are amazingly effective (which makes sense as to why they've been used for so long), and some even place large amounts of tannerite right next to their bait. I'm not really sure how lethal tannerite would be to hogs  :shrug.
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    « Reply #22 on: March 04, 2017, 03:27:17 PM »
    The bounty idea might backfire.  The problem started in the first place because people kept releasing them to hunt them.  Adding a financial incentive on top of that might just lead to even more of the same behavior.
    Very good point!

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    « Reply #23 on: March 04, 2017, 04:05:57 PM »
    Any pig who runs is VC! Any pig who doesn't run is well disciplined VC!



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    « Reply #24 on: March 04, 2017, 04:43:56 PM »
    Any pig who runs is VC! Any pig who doesn't run is well disciplined VC!



    Farmers need to crowd fund for a helicopter.



    It's a hard and dirty job. but I volunteer to be a helicopter hog hunter. I'll bring my FAL and AR. I'll even pay for the ammo.
    just get me in a chopper.
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