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The Down Side of Magnum Ammo.
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:49:19 PM »


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Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: The Down Side of Magnum Ammo.
    « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 07:19:34 PM »
    But with magnum ammo, you can encircle bad guys with fire.
    .357 owie loads.


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    Re: The Down Side of Magnum Ammo.
    « Reply #2 on: April 28, 2017, 10:43:44 AM »
    The fire ring in the second photo is awesome. 
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    « Reply #3 on: April 28, 2017, 11:08:36 AM »
    I miss those magnum fire rings.  I had a S&W 460 Performance Center with the 3.5" barrel, it made some awesome looking rings, but I never got any photos.  It was a pain to shoot indoors though, the concussion was almost as bad as parking on a firing line of .50cal M2s.

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    Re: The Down Side of Magnum Ammo.
    « Reply #4 on: April 28, 2017, 11:37:49 AM »
    I once fired some hand loads intended for the .357 rifles through my 3" 686 -- at night -- and he fireball was impressive.  First time I ever saw a ring-of-fire flying downrange.
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    Re: The Down Side of Magnum Ammo.
    « Reply #5 on: April 28, 2017, 03:54:01 PM »
    We had a good number of those fireballs that day. That was out of a steel J frame. We shot those out of my 12 oz Airlite too, back when I had it. I don't want to do that again.
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    « Reply #6 on: April 28, 2017, 04:03:58 PM »
    We had a good number of those fireballs that day. That was out of a steel J frame. We shot those out of my 12 oz Airlite too, back when I had it. I don't want to do that again.

    Don't blame you one bit.  A friend of mine has an S&W Bodyguard.  With just light .38 Special practice loads that thing is brutal.  I'd rather shoot full-snort 158gr .357 Mag SD ammo out of my LCR (and have) than shoot that thing again.
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    « Reply #7 on: April 28, 2017, 04:05:53 PM »
    Don't blame you one bit.  A friend of mine has an S&W Bodyguard.  With just light .38 Special practice loads that thing is brutal.  I'd rather shoot full-snort 158gr .357 Mag SD ammo out of my LCR (and have) than shoot that thing again.
    That Airlite wasn't too bad with target .38 loads. PD loads it was still not fun, but with  full power .357 it was awful.
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    « Reply #8 on: April 28, 2017, 04:35:56 PM »
    Don't blame you one bit.  A friend of mine has an S&W Bodyguard.  With just light .38 Special practice loads that thing is brutal.  I'd rather shoot full-snort 158gr .357 Mag SD ammo out of my LCR (and have) than shoot that thing again.

    My 642 makes my hands bleed after a box and a half of practice .38's  :shocked. I don't think I'd want a scandium J frame.

    Does anyone have an opinion on .357's vs .38's for self defense?  :coffee
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 28, 2017, 06:04:14 PM »
    My 642 makes my hands bleed after a box and a half of practice .38's  :shocked. I don't think I'd want a scandium J frame.

    Does anyone have an opinion on .357's vs .38's for self defense?  :coffee
    I would rather shoot .38's for SD. Yes, the .357 has more oomph, but you can get back on target faster with a .38. If I'm going out where there are 4 legged critters that I have to worry about, .357 or .44 Mag.
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    « Reply #10 on: April 29, 2017, 12:17:27 AM »
    Agreed.  "Self defense" can cover a lot of territory.  Personally I wouldn't recommend popping a grizzly bear in the a&& with either round as you might get a lesson in "wildlife management".   :shocked    On the other hand, if the potential target is likely to be an unarmored human being I think either round would serve you well.  Most self defense loads these days are loaded with low flash powder and are less likely to cause a blinding muzzle flash in the dark but muzzle blast and recoil will always be harder to handle in the magnums.  If you are forced to fire a magnum revolver without hearing protection - especially inside a building - the muzzle blast can be disorienting.   Non magnum rounds will be a little easier to take but even those can deprive you of any real sense of hearing for an extended period.  Not an insignificant factor if you are facing more than one opponent.   :hmm

    Out in the woods with the chance of running across a bear or a wolf or even a rabid skunk I usually opt for the .357 magnum or a .45 ACP +P or Auto Rim +P but around the house or in the car I'm generally content with a .38 Special or a standard pressure .45 ACP.   
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