Author Topic: Smith and Wesson J-Frame: Uncomfortable and Inaccurate (Read 19279 times)

Nightcrawler · « **on:** August 10, 2014, 04:45:15 am »

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I am not a fan of a less capable weapon system; you know J-Frame, anything made by Glock, ect. As MrTacticalBacon mentioned it had a purpose and it served it. Boys dont buy this for your woman. She can put her make-up on, talk on the phone, eat a sandwich and drive in rush hour all at the same time. Who are you fooling, get her a real weapon.

For your, ah, consideration.

WeTheArmed.com

ksuguy · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2014, 04:56:06 am »

Did they only put 4 cartridges in when they were shooting around the 5min mark? If not, he still had a round in the cylinder when he was screwing with it and putting his hand in front of the muzzle.

HiVelSword · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2014, 08:30:21 am »

I hate those clowns.

Lupinus · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2014, 09:58:00 am »

I think I need to go lay down

GeorgeHill · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2014, 10:33:35 am »

I took high score in my police academy using a snubnose. Just to prove a point. SIG, Glock, Beretta... all fine and well. But you can't buy proficiency.

HiVelSword · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2014, 11:07:00 am »

*whispers* Vigilant Spectrrrrrrre!

ENDO would thrash those idiots on a regular basis. On top of being wannabe operators their muzzle discipline was/is atrocious.

Sorry, but as far as 5-shot snubs go, that one is badass.

strangelittleman · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2014, 11:13:48 am »

That was 7 minutes I wish I had back.
The good news is this; Dumbasses like that, who buy excellent products with little to no understanding of them, such as shown, usually sell them off for a plate of beans to people who'll appreciate them.
I've made several excellent purchases, on the cheap, off 'tards like them!

scarville · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2014, 12:50:03 pm »

Horribly inaccurate too:

]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwVK_FxGZk

GeorgeHill · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2014, 01:20:49 pm »

Jerry is just amazing.

huey148 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2014, 05:29:38 pm »

Yeah...Jerry is the exception to pretty much every rule in firearms

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coelacanth · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2014, 08:44:27 pm »

In all honesty, I wouldn't want to let T or JesseL start popping rounds at me with one of those inside a hundred yards. That would be a good way to lose a bet - or worse.

Coronach · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2014, 09:23:48 pm »

They have a point. A very small one. And they belabor it, and overextend it. And they do it to the extent that the small point they started with is obscured by their stupidity.

J-frames ARE harder to shoot than your standard, full-size gun. They require work to master.

Period.

Full stop.

If you're not willing to put in the extra work it requires to get good with it, find another gun.

Period.

Full stop.

And that's really it. It is just a weapon that is more difficult to learn, but has its own set of advantages (which they ignore) to go along with the disadvantages (which they belabor). *shrug*

It's kinda like a stick shift car. It is harder to drive and harder to master than an auto, but you can do things with it that you can't do with an auto. Just because you're too incompetent to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

Mike

Chief45 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 11, 2014, 01:29:24 am »

That was my backup/boot gun for several years, that's the pistol I used to teach my son to shoot. I also have a picture somewhere of him literally cutting teeth on the Pachmayr grips. very useful pistol.

Quote from: Coronach on August 10, 2014, 09:23:48 pm

They have a point. A very small one. And they belabor it, and overextend it. And they do it to the extent that the small point they started with is obscured by their stupidity.

J-frames ARE harder to shoot than your standard, full-size gun. They require work to master.

Period.

Full stop.

If you're not willing to put in the extra work it requires to get good with it, find another gun.

Period.

Full stop.

And that's really it. It is just a weapon that is more difficult to learn, but has its own set of advantages (which they ignore) to go along with the disadvantages (which they belabor). *shrug*

It's kinda like a stick shift car. It is harder to drive and harder to master than an auto, but you can do things with it that you can't do with an auto. Just because you're too incompetent to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

Mike

Thernlund · « **Reply #13 on:** August 11, 2014, 03:06:04 am »

These idiots think that because they can't hit, it's the guns fault? Pff.

I full agree with Coronach.

The more I see of Vigilant Spectre, the more I'm just about convinced that more like Dynamic Pie Concepts; satire. If they're not satire, they sure are winning at it anyway.

-T.

Nightcrawler · « **Reply #14 on:** August 11, 2014, 04:27:46 am »

Unintentional satire is often the best.

Coronach · « **Reply #15 on:** August 11, 2014, 04:57:10 am »

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That was my backup/boot gun for several years, that's the pistol I used to teach my son to shoot. I also have a picture somewhere of him literally cutting teeth on the Pachmayr grips. very useful pistol.

My 640 has ridden on my ankle every day of my police career that I've been on the street. It does what it does very well- 5 for sure.

I may not want to take a 100 yd shot with it, but I sure would prefer to have a j-frame to any semi-auto for the role of back up gun for a patrol officer. If that thing gets pulled, it probably means I'm locked in a life-or-death wrestling match with someone ... I don't want to have to worry about maintaining distance to avoid the slide being pressed out of battery or fouled as it reciprocates.

Mike

scarville · « **Reply #16 on:** August 11, 2014, 09:11:46 am »

A j-frame is not a beginners gun but the same can be said for any pocket sized handgun. The 38 spl is not be an elephant stopper but it is a capable cartridge that has been ending attacks for over 100 years. Maybe I'm just too old and set in my ways but a model 36 or a 442 in my pocket or waistband seem perfectly adequate for everyday business. OTOH, I'm a Systems Engineer not a super tactical operator operating in an inoperable environment.

ksuguy · « **Reply #17 on:** August 11, 2014, 10:41:31 am »

I have never fired a Smith and Wesson J frame, but I do have an SP101 which is comparable. It is more difficult to shoot accurately than my full sized handguns, but it can be done. Just takes more practice.

GeorgeHill · « **Reply #18 on:** August 11, 2014, 11:26:21 am »

What's getting under my skin on all of this is that ALL easily concealed, light, suited for EDC, Concealed Carry... ALL such handguns are more difficult to shoot well with. They are more difficult to reload. More difficult to manipulate. Because they are freaking tiny. You can't grip them well, 99% of them have crappy triggers, and all of them have very short sight radius' with poor sights.
Even the G42 which is everyone's Darling it seems, is hard to grip. These are all handicaps. They are all compromises made for the sake of Concealed EDC.
This guy crying about what is seriously the #1 Concealed EDC choice in America... just makes him look like he know's very little about Concealed EDC.

The flipside to this coin is less than a happy place... Because most guys who have a Concealed EDC Gun - hardly ever actually train with it. They will train with their nice big full sized Battle Pistols. But they do not EDC those pistols.
You GOT to train with your CEDC pistol. Because that is the one that you are most likely going to be betting your life on... the one you will need when everything goes sideways. Because that's what you have on you most of the time.

MTK20 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2014, 03:40:36 pm »

Quote from: GeorgeHill on August 11, 2014, 11:26:21 am

What's getting under my skin on all of this is that ALL easily concealed, light, suited for EDC, Concealed Carry... ALL such handguns are more difficult to shoot well with. They are more difficult to reload. More difficult to manipulate. Because they are freaking tiny. You can't grip them well, 99% of them have crappy triggers, and all of them have very short sight radius' with poor sights.
Even the G42 which is everyone's Darling it seems, is hard to grip. These are all handicaps. They are all compromises made for the sake of Concealed EDC.
This guy crying about what is seriously the #1 Concealed EDC choice in America... just makes him look like he know's very little about Concealed EDC.

The flipside to this coin is less than a happy place... Because most guys who have a Concealed EDC Gun - hardly ever actually train with it. They will train with their nice big full sized Battle Pistols. But they do not EDC those pistols.
You GOT to train with your CEDC pistol. Because that is the one that you are most likely going to be betting your life on... the one you will need when everything goes sideways. Because that's what you have on you most of the time.

I've often wondered if the majority of people who carry still carry snubbies. I'm not very old, but I remember not too long ago they certainly seemed to be what everyone carried. But now?

ksuguy · « **Reply #20 on:** August 11, 2014, 04:01:51 pm »

I carry one. I can't carry as often as I would like due my job, but I usually use my SP101 when I do. Mainly because it is easy to conceal, reasonably powerful, simple, and reliable.

Sure, it isn't as nice as having one of my full size pistols, but it is adequate for my needs and fits in my pocket with a holster.

sarge712 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 11, 2014, 04:11:14 pm »

Quote from: Coronach on August 11, 2014, 04:57:10 am

My 640 has ridden on my ankle every day of my police career that I've been on the street. It does what it does very well- 5 for sure.
I may not want to take a 100 yd shot with it, but I sure would prefer to have a j-frame to any semi-auto for the role of back up gun for a patrol officer. If that thing gets pulled, it probably means I'm locked in a life-or-death wrestling match with someone ... I don't want to have to worry about maintaining distance to avoid the slide being pressed out of battery or fouled as it reciprocates.
Mike

Ditto for 22 years so far but mine is an SP-101 in 9mm. Ive won 100 yard bets with mine back ina day

JesseL · « **Reply #22 on:** August 11, 2014, 04:33:26 pm »

Quote from: coelacanth on August 10, 2014, 08:44:27 pm

In all honesty, I wouldn't want to let T or JesseL start popping rounds at me with one of those inside a hundred yards. That would be a good way to lose a bet - or worse.

Thernlund can pop a steel target with a tiny Smith or Colt with alarming regularity, but you've got me struggling to recall what I've done that made me appear competent with one.

Skunk Ape · « **Reply #23 on:** August 11, 2014, 05:12:54 pm »

I used to have a Model 36 that I could use to make a pop can dance at 25 yards. But I sold my snubbies a few years ago and switched to a Kahr CW45 pistol. It's the same weight, slightly flatter, and faster to reload. It also has Trijicon night sights.

coelacanth · « **Reply #24 on:** August 11, 2014, 10:04:15 pm »

Quote from: JesseL on August 11, 2014, 04:33:26 pm

Thernlund can pop a steel target with a tiny Smith or Colt with alarming regularity, but you've got me struggling to recall what I've done that made me appear competent with one.

Perhaps an overly broad generalization based on observations of basic firearms competence. Neither of you strike me as residents of slackertown when it comes to running a wheelgun. You might not be Butch and Sundance but folks who favor Blackhawks in .41 magnum do smell faintly of badass when the wind is right. At least I THINK that's what it is . . . maybe its just the Tannerite.