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SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« on: January 30, 2012, 01:43:21 AM »
Okay, I have mentioned, before that I have a P6.  It was my first handgun, and I like it a lot.  It has been refinished, and has had an action job - so the trigger is quite smooth...  but it's still very heavy.  This, I don't care for, and would like to change.

Acting upon advice, I had a 17# mainspring installed.  This resulted in a light trigger pull, (too light, actually) but also caused light primer strikes.  So, I ordered a 'factory standard' 24# spring, which caused the pull to return to 'German Police specification' heavy.  :banghead 

Now, I am at a loss.  My P228 has a very smooth, and reasonable trigger pull, as do other factory-new Sigs, so I know it can be done - I just don't know how.

So, the questions:
1. What power spring can I step down to, while still being reasonably sure of reliable primer detonation? 
2. Are there any other components that I should consider replacing? (For instance, did the German guns use a different trigger bar, or something?)

All feedback is appreciated.


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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 06:33:20 AM »
Contact Outbreak.  If I remember right (not 100%) he has like 6-8 of the things.  He will have the answer for ya.
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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 07:20:45 AM »
I ordered the Wolff mainspring variety pack, which had IIRC 17-20lb weights. I started light and worked up until I found one that worked. I think I have the 19lb spring installed right now. It's reasonably reliable, but it's not my carry gun. The carry gun is all stock.

Contact Outbreak.  If I remember right (not 100%) he has like 6-8 of the things.  He will have the answer for ya.

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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 09:24:01 AM »
I think I have the 19lb spring installed right now. It's reasonably reliable, but it's not my carry gun. The carry gun is all stock.
Okay...  So now the question becomes: What do I have to do, to make my P6's trigger feel like my P228?  That gun has a nice trigger, and it's reliable.  Ideally, I would like to be able to count on both of my Sigs - or else, why bother own them?

Are there any other parts in P6s that differ from P225 spec, other than the mainspring?  Hammer strut?  Trigger bar?  Anything?

I had a P226, which had an 'okay' trigger, and I have the P228 which is excellent - so I know Sigs can have good triggers - I just need to know what to fix, to make my P6 like them.

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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 09:43:02 AM »
From what OB said, I'd try a 21-22# spring, see how it does. The variety pack sounds like the answer.

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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 12:06:46 PM »
Ive heard on SigForum of guys replacing all the trigger springs- connections etc from the 226.  Ill see if i can find the exact info but it wont be for a bit since i just got to work.  From all reports it was supposed to help a lot.
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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 02:04:05 PM »
For the best trigger pull, loose the old metal mainspring seat and go with a new shorter mainspring and the plastic mainspring seat. You will have to modify your grips for proper fit.
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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 02:16:26 PM »
For the best trigger pull, loose the old metal mainspring seat and go with a new shorter mainspring and the plastic mainspring seat. You will have to modify your grips for proper fit.
I already did - and did not care for it.  The portion of the grips right above the web of my firing hand 'hangs up' the hammer strut during the DA pull.  I can not remove material there, or it will be too thin.  It fires fine, but the pull becomes very heavy, at the end.


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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 08:15:36 PM »
I already did - and did not care for it.  The portion of the grips right above the web of my firing hand 'hangs up' the hammer strut during the DA pull.  I can not remove material there, or it will be too thin.  It fires fine, but the pull becomes very heavy, at the end.
I am going to retract this statement.  I was fiddling with the gun this evening, and determined that the grip is not responsible for the severe stacking.  It sure feels like it is the culprit, but the spring does not rub the grips at all.  Obviously, the problem lies elsewhere. :shrug


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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 09:08:26 PM »
Does your P6 have the aftermarket Pachmayr grips? The plastic MS seat won't fit without basically ruining the grips, and the full length hammer strut hits the bottom of the grip and causes the extreme increase in pull weight at the end that you describe.
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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 01:18:07 AM »
Does your P6 have the aftermarket Pachmayr grips? The plastic MS seat won't fit without basically ruining the grips, and the full length hammer strut hits the bottom of the grip and causes the extreme increase in pull weight at the end that you describe.
No, I have the factory grips.  Also, I have the 'new style' hammer strut, that goes with the plastic mainspring seats.  Do they come in different lengths?  Should I shorten mine?


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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2012, 05:07:45 PM »
Don't alter the hammer strut. At least not yet.

Take one side of the grip off and see where the hammer strut goes when you pull the trigger. There's a chance it will contact the grip somewhere in the cycle and that's causing your problem.

If we can't figure out what's binding, best bet might be an old-style hammer strut and mainspring. That setup definitely works.
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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2012, 06:02:01 PM »
No, it does not contact the grip, but it just feels like there is too much length in either the hammer strut, or the mainsprin  seat.  Not sure exactly, but the new style pieces are not compatable with my gun.  :shrug

I'm back to using the old-style parts, so the gun will function correctly, at least.

Once my P228 is back from Crusader's cerakote finishing, that will be my main gun, and the P6 will be retired to the back of the safe.


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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2012, 06:10:42 PM »
No, it does not contact the grip, but it just feels like there is too much length in either the hammer strut, or the mainsprin  seat.  Not sure exactly, but the new style pieces are not compatable with my gun.  :shrug

I'm back to using the old-style parts, so the gun will function correctly, at least.

Once my P228 is back from Crusader's cerakote finishing, that will be my main gun, and the P6 will be retired to the back of the safe.


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I'll give ya $250 for it. :neener

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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2012, 01:01:40 AM »
I'll give ya $250 for it. :neener

(ok, only half :neener)
No, not for sale.  Sorry.

...But if it was, here's what I have into it:
 $350 - gun
 $200 - finish
 $150 - new barrel
   $75 - action job and new springs
 $200 - spare mags
 $130 - novak night sights, with set screw (Rear dovetail is too loose, screw holds sight in place.)

So, yeah, over a grand.  That doesn't even count the nickel and dime nonsense for the trigger pull.

If I do get the trigger to a reasonable pull, I'll probably give it to my sister, when she turns 21.  The grip suits her, and she kind of likes it...


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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2012, 08:39:31 AM »

 To keep things interesting, here is a picture of my P6. (Yes, I posted this in another thread)

The picture is from before I installed the Novak sights.


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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2012, 11:41:16 PM »
No, not for sale.  Sorry.

...But if it was, here's what I have into it:
 $350 - gun
 $200 - finish
 $150 - new barrel
   $75 - action job and new springs
 $200 - spare mags
 $130 - novak night sights, with set screw (Rear dovetail is too loose, screw holds sight in place.)

So, yeah, over a grand.  That doesn't even count the nickel and dime nonsense for the trigger pull.

Woof! I could buy three unmodified ones for that!

It's definitely the best looking P6 I've ever seen. Very nice gun!

A few questions:
1. Why did you get a new barrel?
2. Where did you get the mags, and are they factory or Promag?
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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2012, 12:37:17 AM »
Woof! I could buy three unmodified ones for that!
You're saying that you would like three more P6s?   :shocked  Only Outbreak...

It's definitely the best looking P6 I've ever seen. Very nice gun!
Thank you.  That means a lot, coming from the P6 King. :D

A few questions:
1. Why did you get a new barrel?
2. Where did you get the mags, and are they factory or Promag?
The old barrel had a sharp edge on the underside of the hood.  It was not beveled, so it caught the edge of the cartridge case mouths, and would not feed reliably.  Upon buying a factory new barrel, I realized that I could have fixed the old one with a file, and saved the money. :facepalm

The magazines are OEM, bought from Top Gun Supply - 5@$40 each.


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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2012, 06:40:15 PM »
I will ALWAYS want more P6's.
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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2012, 07:23:51 PM »
One of the Sgts at work has a P6 he wants to sell.......You bastards, with all your P6 love, are going to influence my silly ass to break weak and buy it.....stop with the arm twisting already!  ;)
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2012, 08:23:17 PM »
Nice two tone on the P6. Who did the coating?  It looks like my old Sigs after Robar did the Norton Special for me. 

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2012, 08:24:25 PM »
Just got an email from AIM Surplus. They have used factory mags for $20.
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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2012, 09:44:51 PM »
One of the Sgts at work has a P6 he wants to sell.......You bastards, with all your P6 love, are going to influence my silly ass to break weak and buy it.....stop with the arm twisting already!  ;)

*grabs your pinky and twists 1/20 of 1 degree* Go ahead, you know you wanna...

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2012, 10:29:18 PM »
*grabs your pinky and twists 1/20 of 1 degree* Go ahead, you know you wanna...

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Re: SIG Sauer P6 trigger pull improvements
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2012, 11:09:25 PM »
One of the Sgts at work has a P6 he wants to sell.......You bastards, with all your P6 love, are going to influence my silly ass to break weak and buy it.....stop with the arm twisting already!  ;)

Do it!
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