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Short-Stroking an LCR?
« on: August 13, 2013, 06:05:53 pm »
Rented a Ruger LCR at the range today. Specifically, it was the standard .357 model (no lasers or Big Dot sights), but I only shot .38 Specials through it (and after shooting it, very glad I didn't buy a box of Magnums). To make a long story short, I liked the gun, and didn't have any issues with it that weren't experience and/or training-related... except one.

When I was in the middle of a string of shots, I pulled the trigger again just before it hit the reset point, and while the hammer didn't drop, the cylinder indexed over to the next chamber. That happened several times. Now, I know that pulling the trigger before it's fully reset is a training issue on my part, but neither of the revolvers I've shot in the past had ever indexed the cylinder before the trigger fully reset. And each time I "short-stroked" the LCR today, I could've sworn I felt the trigger reset.

So was my rental frakked up, or is this "short-stroking" thing common with LCRs?

I ask because, surprisingly, I really liked the LCR. I'm considering it for a CCW piece (Mama Raptor's okay with me owning a second gun, and I think we could swing Papa Raptor on it too), but if that "false reset" that I thought I was feeling is common in LCRs, I think I'm going to have to pass.
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    Re: Short-Stroking an LCR?
    « Reply #1 on: August 13, 2013, 06:20:50 pm »
    I have the same gun.  I just tried to duplicate what happened for you, and can't.  I can feel a click just before reset, but when I pulled back on the trigger from that point nothing moved.  I had to let my finger go all the way out (just a tad further) to rotate the cylinder again and drop the hammer.

    If you get one, I heartily recommend the .357 version over the .38.  Yes, it weighs 3.5 oz more, but even so is still only 17.1 oz empty.  But that 3.5 oz makes a big difference in felt recoil when shooting them with identical ammo.  Plus, if needed or desired, you can shoot .357 magnum.  A co-worker has the .38 model with the Crimson Trace grips.  Not a fun gun to shoot.  Mine?  I shoot steel at 75 yards with it, and 50-100 .38s is no problem.  Even low-mid power .357s are okay.  Just stay away from the Speer Gold Dot 158gr SD ammo in the LCR.  Yes, it will handle them.  But, you will not like it.  I shot four.  Could not make myself pull the trigger to fire the fifth one.  I keep mine loaded with Gold Dot .38 135gr SD ammo.
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    Re: Short-Stroking an LCR?
    « Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 07:24:51 pm »
    *whew* I was hoping it was just the rental. The place I go does a very good job of keeping their rental guns in excellent shape, but occasionally the customer does get one with a problem (especially if it's a very popular model). Rented a Kahr CW9 a few months bag with a bad mag and a trigger with a bad stacking problem. But I let them know about the problem, and as far as I know, they fixed the gun and mag. I suspect the same will happen to the LCR.

    I shot standard-pressure .38 Special FMJs through the gun. Recoil was fairly stout, but still surprisingly pleasant given the gun's size and weight, though I doubt I'd want to put more than 100 rounds through it at a time. As it was, after one box ammo, while my hand didn't hurt, I was sort of glad I hadn't bought a second box. I suspect part of that was because I hadn't quite figured out the proper grip for the gun: I like shooting thumbs-forward, and that's a no-go for a wheelgun unless I want to blow the tip of my thumb off.

    The only real quibble I had with the gun, besides the short-stroking malfuction, was the sights. To put it bluntly, they suck. It was extremely difficult to find the little bitty unmakred ramp of a front sight even against the bright blue of the target I was aiming at. If I do buy an LCR, I'm going to either buy one that comes with the XS Dot sight or else (since Ruger doesn't seem to offer the XS sight on the .357 version) buy the sight separately and have it installed on the gun.
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    Re: Short-Stroking an LCR?
    « Reply #3 on: August 13, 2013, 07:34:50 pm »
    Apparently the double-click resets are common between all of the LC series handguns (LCR, LCP, LC9, LC380). It is the one thing that I actively dislike about the guns. One if these days I plan tk take my LCP apart and see if I can't WECSOG it away without affecting reliability.

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    Re: Short-Stroking an LCR?
    « Reply #4 on: August 13, 2013, 07:38:54 pm »
    This isn't just the LCR. On a S&W, if you don't let the trigger reset all the way the trigger will come to a hard stop, forcing you to release it.

    It's just part of the process of learning the peculiarities of a new gun. Don't stress over it. A little practice goes a long way.
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    Re: Short-Stroking an LCR?
    « Reply #5 on: August 13, 2013, 08:00:43 pm »
    I'd heard about the double-click "false reset" on the LCR, but it was the cylinder indexing without the hammer moving that had me concerned. The "false reset" is, like you said, a training issue.
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    Re: Short-Stroking an LCR?
    « Reply #6 on: August 13, 2013, 08:06:52 pm »
    Personally, I think it is a poor design issue. There is no reason for the gun to have two very hard, distinct clicks on reset like that. That's just bad engineering. It is the one negative to an otherwise good gun, IMO.

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    Re: Short-Stroking an LCR?
    « Reply #7 on: August 14, 2013, 02:40:33 pm »
    The only real quibble I had with the gun, besides the short-stroking malfuction, was the sights. To put it bluntly, they suck. It was extremely difficult to find the little bitty unmakred ramp of a front sight even against the bright blue of the target I was aiming at. If I do buy an LCR, I'm going to either buy one that comes with the XS Dot sight or else (since Ruger doesn't seem to offer the XS sight on the .357 version) buy the sight separately and have it installed on the gun.

    Remember, it's a snubby.  It's not intended to be a target gun.  I can hit the steel at 75 yards about 20% of the time standing, one-handed (bullseye style).  Seated, with a two-hand grip, no rest, I can usually double or triple that.  And those I miss I'm not missing by much.  With my S&W Model 66 4", I am much better, having gone 6 for 6 seated.  I credit the smooth trigger with being able to hit at that range, but I'll admit to using holdover.  The trick is is learning the proper amount of holdover for that range. 

    For it's intended purpose, short range, well, there the idea is to put them all in a reasonably small area, fairly close to point of aim.  Or, simply, point of point.  Use the sights to line up the barrel side to side, and get close on the vertical axis, and you'll hit a bad guy well enough to hopefully stop his actions.  That's really the best that can be hoped for.

    I just like challenging myself at the long distance is all, and it's been fun having other shooters say "you can't hit that steel with a snubby from this distance" and then prove them wrong.  Then let them try and they'll miss by 20 feet.  To the sides.   :D
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