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Remington 1911 R1 vs. Springfield Mil Spec
« on: August 12, 2010, 02:52:06 PM »
Simple question- which one would you go with given the choice? I have been thinking about getting a 1911 and had all but narrowed down my choice to a parkerized Springfield, but now Mad Ogre is talking up the R1, which like the Springfield has a lot of history and is quite reasonable in price. My go-to gun will remain my G17, but I want a 1911 because I think everyone should own one.
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Re: Remington 1911 R1 vs. Springfield Mil Spec
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2010, 02:53:13 PM »
Both?

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Re: Remington 1911 R1 vs. Springfield Mil Spec
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2010, 03:18:10 PM »
If I could afford two, (which I can't) I think I would get two of the exact same model and an Andrew's Leather Urbane Cowboy rig.  ;)
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Re: Remington 1911 R1 vs. Springfield Mil Spec
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2010, 03:24:30 PM »
This is a question that I've been pondering myself.
Here's my take.  If I want a Historical Piece, or one that was like my issued gun - I'll take the Springfield GI Milspec.  Otherwise, I'd take the R1.
Prices are similar and one really has no distinct advantage over the other in many aspects... however the R1's dovetailed sights allow the upgrade to Tritium as needed.
I'm a big fan of Springfield and will continue to be so - but the R1's value is that it's about as solid of a Basic 1911 as you can get.  So instead of buying Taurus or any of the numbers of brands of grass hut made guns - you have a good option.

I am going to pick up a used GI soon.  It's IDENTICAL to the one I used last when attached to the 19th SF.  The wood grips just need to be worn smoother is all.  I'll use that as more of a Field Gun and I have a G-Code REAC rig that is perfect for it.  
If I was to buy an R1 - I'd put a beavertail on it, bobbed hammer, and upgrade the sights.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 03:34:02 PM »
Awesome. That is exactly what I am after is more of a historical/traditional piece to leave bone stock as compared to a base gun or project gun. I am practical enough to appreciate Glocks and others for what they are, but the other side of me thinks 1911s are what God intended a handgun to look like.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 03:40:28 PM »
Remember that Remington Firearms of today is not the same company as Remington-Rand, the company that made 1911's during WWII.  Remington at one time made firearms and typewrites.  At some point in the 1880's there was a split out of which came two seperate companies; Remington Typewriter Company and Remington Arms Company. 

Remington Typewriter Company eventually merged with Rand Kardex to become Remington-Rand.  In addition to 1911's for the war effort, they also made business machines and early computers before and after WWII.  At some point they were bought out by Sperry (50's?).  In the late 70's the division was sold off by Sperry and became Remington Products.  They made electric shavers.

Rayovac now owns Remington Products.

Remington Arms Company oversaw the gov't owned Denver Ordnance Ammunition Plant and Lake City Arsenal during WWII.  They did make weapons, but were not a player in WWII 1911 manufacturing.  Those players were Colt, Ithaca, Remington-Rand, Union Switch & Signal and Singer (and Singer only made 500 pistols).

They did make 1911's for WWI however (about 21,000).


I'd want 'em both.  But if I was forced to choose, I'd pick the Springfield.  Although I wouldn't be happy about having to choose.


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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 04:00:37 PM »
ETA:  I deleted my post.  I tried to verify the rumor and found only third and fourth hand b.s.  I apologize for spreading it further.
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Re: Remington 1911 R1 vs. Springfield Mil Spec
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 04:18:32 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 04:19:03 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 05:17:20 PM »
 I own a S.A. Mil-Spec and love it. It was pretty good out of the box*, and after the break in period it just got better. No complaints here. But if I were to purchase today, I might go with the Remington. Why? Well, it's American made and this:


Prices are similar and one really has no distinct advantage over the other in many aspects... however the R1's dovetailed sights allow the upgrade to Tritium as needed.




* I'm still trying to find out if the NM series Mil-Spec myth is true or not.

Edit: Regarding the NM serial number myth, I'm not referencing the rumor that it's "National Match". Just that it may have been assembled in America, not Brazil.
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2010, 12:54:10 AM »
I think I'll set my sights on the Remington, personally.

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2010, 08:15:34 AM »
Springfield doesn't have the Colt Series 80 style firing pin block, and that's enough for me to pick the Springfield over the Remington right there.  Springfield does have the ILS Mainspring housing, but that's a drop in fix.

...the R1, which like the Springfield has a lot of history...

In addition to what T said, keep in mind Springfield Armory Incorporated also has no history tying back to any wars.

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Regarding the NM serial number myth, I'm not referencing the rumor that it's "National Match". Just that it may have been assembled in America, not Brazil.

Don't all Springfield frames come from Brazil, arriving in the US in various states of completion?

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2010, 12:44:02 PM »
Springfield doesn't have the Colt Series 80 style firing pin block, and that's enough for me to pick the Springfield over the Remington right there.

Forgot to mention that, I'm happy S.A. went with it.

Springfield does have the ILS Mainspring housing, but that's a drop in fix.

I still have to swap mine out with a standard MSH, cap, etc. Can't believe I still haven't gotten around to it. Brownell's, here I come!

Don't all Springfield frames come from Brazil, arriving in the US in various states of completion?

 From what I understand, yes. Which is fine, since Imbel makes some good stuff. However, I still hear stories how "NM's" have Brazilian made frames, slides, etc. that were assembled stateside into complete pistols. Interestingly, I have noticed a couple of things with my NM numbered Mil-Spec. For instance, it doesn't have "Made in Brazil" laser etched anywhere. The barrel is a one piece type. Fit and finish are tighter than other S.A. Mil-Specs I've handled.  :shrug

Either way, I'm very happy with mine.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2010, 09:31:29 PM »
A technical aside:
I used to have a Springer GI Milspec.  It wasn't a 100 percent reproduction though because Springfield had tweaked all of their 1911's to pass the California Drop Test ( hack, hack, spit.  Excuse me I've been sick).   They had the ILS safety system.  The pistol had a titanium firing pin that duplicated the size of the 1911 .38 super firing pin.  It also had an extra strength hammer spring an  a lock that involved a special cup where the hammer strut rested.   Like a lot of other Springer owners I went to Brownell's and got a  $10 trigger job. Deleted the trigger lock parts and put in a standard hammer spring and cup, a steel 1911 .38 Super firing pin and a higher than standard firing pin spring.  I'm just not that fond of titanium in the lock train.

I wonder what the R1 uses for firing pin safety?  A 1980's Colt system or perhaps the Kimber?


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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2010, 02:05:39 AM »
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Springfield doesn't have the Colt Series 80 style firing pin block, and that's enough for me to pick the Springfield over the Remington right there.  Springfield does have the ILS Mainspring housing, but that's a drop in fix.

This is not the first time I've seen this mentioned.  What is the big deal with the S80 firing pin block aside from three extra parts?  I'm neutral--but I want to be more informed.
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2010, 04:48:33 AM »
My bad on not noticing the post about the Remington having the 80's firing pin block. 
 The 80's firing pin block is more difficult to work with if you are doing trigger jobs.  There are more gunsmiths out there now that know how to tweak them and a larger data base and drop in stuff now.    IMHO the difference in trigger pull will be a variable from pistol to pistol.  I know Springfield does good customer service, at least they did when I dealt with them about 5 years ago.  I've never dealt with Remington so I don't know how they are.  I haven't heard any complaints though.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 03:28:59 PM »
Yes some of the Springfield 1911 have a frames that are made in Brazil. And yes you can tell by the lettering with the #'s I have money down on the next All American Made Mil Spec that comes into my local gun store. But I changed the order today to the Remington!
I do know Springfield now knows the stigma thay are picking up having the frames of an American gun made in Brazil and are bumping up the numbers that are made here in the U.S! That's just dumb they let their name take a hit by doing this! :banghead
holding the Brazil made frame in one hand and the Remington in the other the Brazil made 1911 feels bigger bulkier it's hard to explain! You'll have to try it!

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 05:09:53 PM »
Are they really making more US frames for their bottom tier guns?

*I don't mean that in a bad way, but the .45 GI and the Mil-Spec have the lowest SA price points respectively, AFAIK.

I'd like a stainless Mil-spec myself.  :coffee
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 08:34:48 PM »
Yes some of the Springfield 1911 have a frames that are made in Brazil.

So?


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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2011, 09:08:04 PM »
Update on my S.A. Mil-Spec and the "NM". Gave them a call and they stated the slide and frame were produced by Imbel in Brazil. Everything else is American and was put together here in the states. My version has zero "Made in Brazil laser etchings" and has the one piece barrel. It just an awesome pistol.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2011, 09:26:13 PM »
I don't descriminate. George's ATI Commander is an incredible pistol. I'd rather have that than even a Springfield. Slide to frame fit is superb in his pics. The Philipino men and women who make those guns seem to take a lot of pride in them.

If I didn't have a lot of money I'd get the ATI. Other than that I'm waiting for someone to make a steel framed .38 Super Commander.
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2011, 09:29:45 PM »
So?


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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2011, 09:44:38 PM »


Oh, and, you forgot to welcome him to the forum.  :scrutiny. ... come to think about it, no one has.  :hmm



It's not a rule but most people introduce theselves in their initial post. I didn't even realize it was his first.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2011, 11:01:37 PM »
Other than that I'm waiting for someone to make a steel framed .38 Super Commander.
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2011, 11:03:13 PM »
Dude... are you sure that we are not brothers?


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