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Reloading from slide lock
« on: June 07, 2009, 02:35:30 AM »
  Tell us how you reload and why.


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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 10:26:34 AM »
Clint Smith, from Thunder Ranch training, has excellent videos on this on Youtube and guntalk.tv, among others.
But, in a nutshell,
When the slide locks back, bring the gun back to high chest level, muzzle still pointed at the target and gun slightly tilted to make the mag well visible.
Drop the spent mag, insert the fresh one.
Bring the free hand, that just inserted the new mag, up onto and over the slide, rearward of the ejection port, with the thumb pointed toward you.
With a sharp rearward snap of the slide, the slide chambers the first round.
With the gun still in the same position, close in high chest, regrip and then push the gun outward straight toward the target.
Experts do this in less than one second.
The videos make it much clearer, fur sure.


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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 12:08:18 PM »
I always retract and release.  I feel doing it this way trains your mind and body to more readily perform tap-rack-bang when you need it. 

Anyone else agree?
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 12:40:17 PM »
I bring the gun back in and up to eye level so I can maintain situational awareness while I execute the reload without fumbling.  Then once the mag is in the gun, I slingshot the slide.  This is how I instruct.  This is what I do most of the time. 
Sometimes, with some guns I'll hit the slide release, but that depends on the situation.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 02:24:54 PM »
Mas Ayoob teaches to hold the pistol at eye-level, drop the empty magazine, then insert a fresh mag with the left hand.  When the fresh magazine is slammed home, use the left thumb to push down the slide release.  The gun is now reloaded, held at eye-level, and the support hand is already in position.  Very fast to use.  Of course, if you are a southpaw, you will need a pistol with an ambi slide release.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 03:23:21 PM »
Of course, if you are a southpaw, you will need a pistol with an ambi slide release.

There are what, two or three of those on the market?

As a lefty, I think I'd rather practice a method that doesn't leave me so dependent on such a rare feature.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2009, 03:36:38 PM »
I am one of those southpaws. I try very hard to keep it simple, and use the same motions for more than one action. That's why I use the slide to reload, and not the slide release. That way it's the same motion for clearing stoppages (both types) and for reloading from slide lock. I grasp the slide with the meat of my right hand, just to the rear of the ejection port, thumb facing forward. I rotate the pistol ninety degrees. to the right, so my right thumb faces up, and the ejection port is facing down. Then, I pull the slide to the rear, and release. It's basically the reverse of the right-handed method, that wraps the left hand around the slide, with the thumb to the rear.

I do it this way so that my right thumb can activate the slide release in the event of a double feed. I cannot reliably utilize the slide release with my left hand under pressure without awkwardly shifting my grip. Using the right thumb is more reliable.

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2009, 08:00:48 PM »
Grip it and rip it - pulling back the slide is a gross motor function which should be much easier to execute under stress than hitting the slide release.  And I have had plenty of times when a slide release was a bit recalcitrant requiring a firm focused poke, which may be fine on the range but would suck in a crisis - racking the slide has never failed me.

Of course, with a well worn Glock a firm slap on mag insertion will send the slide into battery on its own - but I would never count on it.  Always prepare to rack the slide.

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2009, 08:42:34 PM »
Grip it and rip it - pulling back the slide is a gross motor function which should be much easier to execute under stress than hitting the slide release.  And I have had plenty of times when a slide release was a bit recalcitrant requiring a firm focused poke, which may be fine on the range but would suck in a crisis - racking the slide has never failed me.

Of course, with a well worn Glock a firm slap on mag insertion will send the slide into battery on its own - but I would never count on it.  Always prepare to rack the slide.


+1 Grip Slide, pull back and release rater than pressing the slide release.

Here's the Clint Smith video that g.willikers mentioned:



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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2009, 09:25:54 PM »
I'm one of those southpaws so I will usually rack the slide.
Economy of motion and will work on more guns.
As far as with the slide realize, I will usually use my trigger finger on the slide realize, when I can.  It will usually work for 1911s, Glocks, Beretta/Taurus, ect.  From my limited experience, it doesn't usually work well with Sigs.  Probably why I am not a bit fan of them.  I am not trying to cause hate; they just don't work for me.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2009, 04:21:00 AM »
I know you're suppose to pull the slide back but its always been more natural for me to use the slide release.  I'm faster that way and can get back on target more rapidly and with more accuracy.  I've tried doing it the other way but it just never felt as natural and i never could get it patterned down in my head right.  After I run dry I keep the weapon at or close to eye level, release the mag as I move my left hand to grab another mag, slam a new one home and then release the slide while my left hand is coming back to my grip.

May not be right but it works best for me.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2009, 06:38:40 AM »
I grip the slide and release it to chamber a round.

I head that using the slide release lever puts additional wear on the handgun.  I'm not inclined to believe this because it sounds like "using turn indicators on a car leads the bulbs to burn out sooner" but this is equipment to be used on a car.  I would think that the slide release lever is meant to be used.

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 08:42:58 AM »
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Of course, with a well worn Glock a firm slap on mag insertion will send the slide into battery on its own - but I would never count on it.  Always prepare to rack the slide.
I accidentally did this so hard on my Steyr once that the first cartridge popped out of the mag and stovepiped.

I usually use the slide release because it's faster for me than a second motion with my left hand.

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 11:28:15 AM »
  I reload using the slide release though I'm pretty much proficient in either way.


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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 02:02:41 PM »
  I reload using the slide release though I'm pretty much proficient in either way.
Then you are doing it wrong.   :neener

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2009, 02:07:56 PM »
Then you are doing it wrong.   :neener

  Sounds like we need to do some timed drills.  My Glock 19 and I versus your and your whatever.

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2009, 02:11:46 PM »
I don't think Beamish's whatever has any place at the range.

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2009, 02:21:41 PM »
  Sounds like we need to do some timed drills.  My Glock 19 and I versus your and your whatever.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2009, 02:40:46 PM »
   I hit the slide release because it's faster. 

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2009, 02:49:04 PM »
To reload I bring my Glock up to eye level canted my palm/pistol is facing me.  Reload and then grip slide and release.  Like Beamish said I sometimes get the slide to release by firmly seating the magazine in the pistol.  

The "slide release" on the Glock is actually the slide stop lever.  
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2009, 02:57:18 PM »
The "slide release" on the Glock is actually the slide stop lever.  

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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2009, 03:11:30 PM »
I do the "sling shot" style where I pull bag on the slide and let it go.  It's the same manual behavior as when you're loading the gun.  Fewer different actions means more consistent, reliable results.  Thumbing the slide release is sometimes awkward even when I'm not under stress so it just makes more sense to me to yank the slide.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2009, 05:48:54 PM »
I've been getting away from using the slide stop.  Racking the slide works the same way on every thing and requires no new actions or controls to learn.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2009, 07:38:03 PM »
This comes up all the time on 1911forum.

I hit the slide stop. It seems to be more reliable. I've seen weapons jam that had the "sling-shot" done improperly, but if you just hit the lever there's no room for error.

It's faster for me too, but that may be because I've been doing it for years. As soon as I seat the magazine, my left hand rolls up and wraps around my right (where it's supposed to be). As I'm doing that, my right thumb is hitting the slide stop and continuing down and back, so I'm sending the slide home and obtaining my grip in the same motion.

Hey, I'm no expert or instructor. This is just what works for me.
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Re: Reloading from slide lock
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2009, 07:51:42 PM »
The "slide release" on the Glock is actually the slide stop lever.  

  I stand corrected.


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