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New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
« on: August 13, 2016, 01:00:58 PM »
Ruger's Light Weight Commanders are the Bang for Buck value gun we can all appreciate.  Working Man's Grade Hardware and a Reasonable Price.  And much has already been said about the Ruger 1911's...
But I found one that is different... one of Ruger's Distributor Exclusives, this one from Davidson's. 
I didn't know it existed until I saw it in person:

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    Re: New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
    « Reply #1 on: August 13, 2016, 01:17:11 PM »
    :drool

    She's beautiful!
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
    « Reply #2 on: August 14, 2016, 12:37:10 AM »
    Pretty cool.  The thing with the safety you mentioned on MadOgre.com drives me nuts -- hopefully it's a fluke.
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    Re: New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
    « Reply #3 on: August 14, 2016, 03:46:06 AM »
    Oh my!  :cool
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    Re: New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
    « Reply #4 on: August 14, 2016, 11:53:06 AM »
    Pretty cool.  The thing with the safety you mentioned on MadOgre.com drives me nuts -- hopefully it's a fluke.

    It's an easy fix.  Less of an annoyance than the Novak Sights.
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    Re: New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
    « Reply #5 on: August 14, 2016, 12:48:09 PM »
    I dig it
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    Re: New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
    « Reply #6 on: August 14, 2016, 09:44:38 PM »
    So...yours?
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    « Reply #7 on: August 14, 2016, 10:11:30 PM »
    It's 799.99 + Tax.  Which is about 799.99 more than I can afford to spend.   I asked about the trade in value of one certain handgun, which was only 500... So... No.  This one didn't come home with me.  Had they gave me a better trade in - I'd probably have considered it more.   
    Other than me being unemployed, I liked it enough that I would have bought it, yes.  It has my stamp of approval - with a caveat - that you are willing to take the time and effort or time and expense to fix the safety and put some good sights on it.  I like all the Ruger LW Commanders.  I think they are THE BUY for such a gun.
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    Re: New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
    « Reply #8 on: August 14, 2016, 10:18:14 PM »
    It's 799.99 + Tax.  Which is about 799.99 more than I can afford to spend.   I asked about the trade in value of one certain handgun, which was only 500... So... No.  This one didn't come home with me.  Had they gave me a better trade in - I'd probably have considered it more.   
    Other than me being unemployed, I liked it enough that I would have bought it, yes.  It has my stamp of approval - with a caveat - that you are willing to take the time and effort or time and expense to fix the safety and put some good sights on it.  I like all the Ruger LW Commanders. I think they are THE BUY for such a gun.

    :hmm
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    « Reply #9 on: August 15, 2016, 07:25:14 AM »
    No.  I don't work for or consult for Ruger.   
    I'm just very impressed.
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    Re: New Ruger Light Weight Commander.
    « Reply #10 on: August 16, 2016, 11:03:56 AM »
    I have the all steel commander they launched after the traditional 5" model, only 1911 I kept after "D-day".  I agree with price-to-quality ratio being very high with these guns.  Haven't had a chance to check out the lightweight commander yet, but really want to when funds allow.

    I guess I'm odd, I like the Novak sights. I sharpied the rear dots so I just have the white front dot, and eventually want to send that to Novak to have a tritium installed...again as funds come available...
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    « Reply #11 on: August 16, 2016, 04:10:51 PM »
    You're not the only one, I have Novak tritium's on my Kimber and like them very much.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 16, 2016, 06:06:12 PM »
    You're not the only one, I have Novak tritium's on my Kimber and like them very much.

    Isn't the only reason we hate Novak sights because we can't one handed rack the slide with them? I thought I heard Alone and George speaking of this previously.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 17, 2016, 04:25:51 PM »
    Could be and if so, not meaning any disrespect to either one, I am completely unconcerned about the probability of such a situation.
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    « Reply #14 on: August 17, 2016, 05:00:01 PM »
    That's exactly right.  Sure, Novaks look nice.  But they actually hamstring the ability to keep the gun running.  In a fight, your hands are out in front of you... as such - they are more likely to be injured than using one arm to shield Sister Mary Nunface or holding a baby or whatever fantasy you have in your head about a heroic defense.  The reality is you are probably going to be hurt and can only use one hand to get your gun back in a fight.  And as luck would have it - it's probably going to be your weak hand.  Because in a past life you were cruel to puppies.  So that means you are going to be hurting, stressed, jacked up and jazzed up and everything is going to be all the more difficult. 
    A Novak Sight makes one hand operation a real b____.  It just does.  The best thing for your defensive (Fighting) gun, is a rear sight that let's you easily and quickly cycle that action to get it back in the game.  From teaching many courses, and taking many courses, it's just a fact that Novak sighted guns take longer - a lot longer - than sights with a useable rear sight that allows you to rack the action against something unyeilding... like a belt, holster lip, steering wheel, goblin's head, curb, bumper...   Novaks suck for fighting guns.
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    « Reply #15 on: August 21, 2016, 02:33:12 PM »
    That's exactly right.  Sure, Novaks look nice.  But they actually hamstring the ability to keep the gun running.  In a fight, your hands are out in front of you... as such - they are more likely to be injured than using one arm to shield Sister Mary Nunface or holding a baby or whatever fantasy you have in your head about a heroic defense.  The reality is you are probably going to be hurt and can only use one hand to get your gun back in a fight.  And as luck would have it - it's probably going to be your weak hand.  Because in a past life you were cruel to puppies.  So that means you are going to be hurting, stressed, jacked up and jazzed up and everything is going to be all the more difficult. 
    A Novak Sight makes one hand operation a real b____.  It just does.  The best thing for your defensive (Fighting) gun, is a rear sight that let's you easily and quickly cycle that action to get it back in the game.  From teaching many courses, and taking many courses, it's just a fact that Novak sighted guns take longer - a lot longer - than sights with a useable rear sight that allows you to rack the action against something unyeilding... like a belt, holster lip, steering wheel, goblin's head, curb, bumper...   Novaks suck for fighting guns.

     It all sounds logical,George, but are there not other options?  It sounds like a tricky bit of work under stress.  I think I would rather spend my time running away, than dinking around trying to get a jammed pistol back in action ASAP with a hand wound. Or if the opponent is close, smash the assailant with the gun, or cut him.
     
     I would also be interested in if there are any actual events of this sort that have played out. I have heard it discussed as a possibility, but that's all.
     

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    « Reply #16 on: August 21, 2016, 03:07:14 PM »
    It all sounds logical,George, but are there not other options?  It sounds like a tricky bit of work under stress.  I think I would rather spend my time running away, than dinking around trying to get a jammed pistol back in action ASAP with a hand wound. Or if the opponent is close, smash the assailant with the gun, or cut him.
     
     I would also be interested in if there are any actual events of this sort that have played out. I have heard it discussed as a possibility, but that's all.

    It is logical. It is as logical as carrying a reload or a back up gun. Sure me reloading under stress will be a "tricky bit of work" and so will me drawing my BUG, but other options are not always available (such as escaping). If I have the chance to run then I will take that option everytime, but if you're still under attack, getting shot in the back does no one any good.

    I see no difference between the action of racking a slide one handed or in opening a tactical folding knife while under attack, both are additional tasks that are difficult under stress, but should be practiced in case the already horrible situation of you fighting for your life goes even more sideways.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #17 on: August 21, 2016, 09:03:41 PM »
    It is logical. It is as logical as carrying a reload or a back up gun. Sure me reloading under stress will be a "tricky bit of work" and so will me drawing my BUG, but other options are not always available (such as escaping). If I have the chance to run then I will take that option everytime, but if you're still under attack, getting shot in the back does no one any good.

    I see no difference between the action of racking a slide one handed or in opening a tactical folding knife while under attack, both are additional tasks that are difficult under stress, but should be practiced in case the already horrible situation of you fighting for your life goes even more sideways.

     Still sounds like a very iffy procedure. So many variables to go wrong. Yeah, it might work with certain types of jams-and with others, be almost impossible.

      I think if this is the level of threat potential one is preparing for,   it would make a lot more sense to simply carry a weak side backup piece- then there is a loaded weapon at hand, ready to go. All this talk about being hit in the gun hand leads toward the conclusion it may not just be the gun hand that gets hit- it may be the gun itself. 

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    « Reply #18 on: August 21, 2016, 09:29:34 PM »
    Still sounds like a very iffy procedure. So many variables to go wrong. Yeah, it might work with certain types of jams-and with others, be almost impossible.

      I think if this is the level of threat potential one is preparing for,   it would make a lot more sense to simply carry a weak side backup piece- then there is a loaded weapon at hand, ready to go. All this talk about being hit in the gun hand leads toward the conclusion it may not just be the gun hand that gets hit- it may be the gun itself.

    You and I agree on this. I'm currently having a weak side pocket holster made for my j frame. I carry the same gun a lot, despite the spectacular craftsmanship that Lukas does, at this level of use and wear I'm not sure I could rack my slide on the mouth of my holster. It's softened up over time. Then again I'm sure that even a watch band could be used in a pinch, but who knows  :shrug. I still think night crawler had it right, it's not capacity or any of that that matters so much, but time. Hopefully we live our lives and never have to unholster a firearm in our own defense or someone else's, but if we ever find ourself in that situation, who is to say we will have enough time to even clear leather, let alone reload, or one hand rack, or whatever. But we try to train to that level, and by train it could be range time or dry firing- I am by no means one of those who says that "if you don't train with so and so's class then your just not prepared or operator enough. Just getting familiar with what you've got and cultivating awareness and mindset will put you far, far ahead. You don't need to shoot a bazillion rounds at thunder ranch to be considered "tactical enough". Sometimes I feel gun culture goes way too far into the "operator as fluff" line of thought.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #19 on: August 21, 2016, 11:59:05 PM »
    Still sounds like a very iffy procedure. So many variables to go wrong. Yeah, it might work with certain types of jams-and with others, be almost impossible.

    Kinda the whole freaking point for training, isn't it?   To learn how to do something awkward so when you really need to do it - you can do it. 
    Have people been injured and have to use their weapons one handed - including reloading?  Yes.  Yes that's happened.  Would it have been beneficial to them to have learned how to do it or to just figure it out on their own on the fly when in pain and panic? 
    You make the call on that. 

    You can use the muzzle of the gun, but that's actually more difficult.  A rear sight that can be snagged on something will be far easier and faster to use than the muzzle end.  And far safer.  Using a rear sight that allows it to be hooked on the belt or holster lip - your muzzle is pointing away from you.  Not so much if you are trying to use that muzzle.
    Using the ejection port?  Go ahead and actually try that.  We'll wait.
    How simple is it to just use a rear sight that's not a stupid Novak?   It's simple.  It's easy.  It's much safer and quicker than any alternatives.  Some guys balk at changing a part on their handgun for efficiency - but will swap parts all day long on an AR for just slight improvements, some not even tangible... and we're talking blatantly obvious improvements on the handgun by just ditching a ramp rear sight.
     :facepalm
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    « Reply #20 on: August 22, 2016, 12:02:59 AM »
    This isn't even Operator Stuff.  This is Captain Obvious Stuff.  I remember when the Novaks first came out.  The Magpul stocks of their day.  Everyone had to have them.   Even guns that were not 1911's hand to have them on there for that look. The CZ40 comes to mind. 
    We even joked about that.  Novaks were a FAD.  But it was a fad that stuck and became standardized... like Magpul MOE stuff.  Everyone starting using it because that's what the popular kids were using.
    Most guys getting Novaks were coming off of GI rear sights so to them of course it was a huge improvement.  Anything was an improvement. 
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    « Reply #21 on: August 22, 2016, 12:35:44 AM »
    This isn't even Operator Stuff.  This is Captain Obvious Stuff.  I remember when the Novaks first came out.  The Magpul stocks of their day.  Everyone had to have them.   Even guns that were not 1911's hand to have them on there for that look. The CZ40 comes to mind. 
    We even joked about that.  Novaks were a FAD.  But it was a fad that stuck and became standardized... like Magpul MOE stuff.  Everyone starting using it because that's what the popular kids were using.
    Most guys getting Novaks were coming off of GI rear sights so to them of course it was a huge improvement.  Anything was an improvement.

    Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that changing sights was "operator". What my whole post was saying was that while in other areas the gun culture does go "too operator", that this area is not one of them.

    I'm sure someone out there would balk at me for carrying a reload for my primary gun and then carrying a BUG. I'm sure they would attempt to label me as a tactical ninja or "operator", but the fact of the matter is that my first weapons of self defense are a sweet disposition and words of de-escalation. I carry what I carry because I love my life and the lives of those around me very much. I have seen gun shot wounds and I have seen violence in my community and I will say that neither of those things look very enjoyable at all. While my day to day life does not put me at risk like it does a police officer, I would say that our lives are of equal value, and that is why I carry what I do.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #22 on: September 02, 2016, 07:53:57 PM »
    It's 799.99 + Tax.  Which is about 799.99 more than I can afford to spend.   I asked about the trade in value of one certain handgun, which was only 500... So... No.  This one didn't come home with me.  Had they gave me a better trade in - I'd probably have considered it more.   
    Other than me being unemployed, I liked it enough that I would have bought it, yes.  It has my stamp of approval - with a caveat - that you are willing to take the time and effort or time and expense to fix the safety and put some good sights on it.  I like all the Ruger LW Commanders.  I think they are THE BUY for such a gun.

    Thank you.  Thank you very much.  I have two granddaughters who will be graduating high school in 2018, and they have hinted (strongly) that a pair of these would be THE PERFECT graduation gifts.  In fact, they sent me the link to this thread, to show that they are not alone in their opinion.

    Do you know what that's going to do to my toy fund? 

    And then there's extra mags, and holsters, and practice ammo, and....  Not to mention that one will need an ambi safety, which means they both will need ambis.

    And they'll probably get them.  It's a while until June, 2018, isn't it?

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    « Reply #23 on: September 02, 2016, 11:36:18 PM »
    Tell them to never apologize for having good taste.
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    « Reply #24 on: September 04, 2016, 02:08:25 AM »
    Agreed.
    They sound like a fine pair of young women off to a very good start in life, congrats!
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