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Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« on: December 20, 2010, 01:01:54 AM »
I was asked this very recently and have been thinking about it ever since. What is the most reliable, brand new-out of the box, bone-stock, "all metal" semi-automatic pistol on the market today? No polymer frame pistols, polymer controls are acceptable but must be durable. No revolvers. Cost to the customer would be $600.00 US maximum (not including taxes & NICS fee). Calibers considered are 9MM, 40S&W, and .45 ACP. Physical dimensions of the handgun no matter how small or large is fine. It would see range use and serve as a life-saver if necessary God forbid.

I have my own ideas, but am wondering what are yours?
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 Reason I ask, there's a family member that is in need of handgun. Hence, the pistol requirements. It's theirs not mine. They have more than enough experience and are not unfamiliar with firearms. They are probably the safest person I know handling and shooting a gun, and one of the few I trust owning one. This family member of mine is actually a great shot, especially with a 9MM. It's almost scary in a good way. I really need input on this one please.


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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 01:03:45 AM »
Off hand, I'd say the Beretta 92.
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 01:15:57 AM »
MacClean beat me to it.

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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 01:16:54 AM »
Used SIG P22X?

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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 01:31:28 AM »
I'd think the 92 as well.

Question though, might the CZ-75 be a contender?  (I've never shot the CZ, but I've heard good things.)

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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 01:33:12 AM »
I'd say a Sig p22x pistol, the beretta 92, stoeger cougar, cz-75, or Ruger P95
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 03:15:58 AM »
From my own personal experience, I would say that (my) #1 would be the H&K P7 PSP and #2 is the SIG P6.  The P7's are available for 500.00 all day long and HK honors the lifetime warranty even on a 2nd hand gun and the P6 can be found for around 300.00 if you look hard enough.  The only "issues" would be the cost of spare magazines as the P7's go for close to 60.00 a pop and 35.00 for the P6.
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 11:03:51 AM »
Question as an uninformed person:  Is there any issue regarding the open-top slide on the Beretta with reliability whatsoever?

What about its locking block?


I honestly wouldn't know. :coffee
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 11:06:47 AM »
I would have to say a CZ 75 or P-01. I own both and they are ALWAYS reliable.
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 11:08:37 AM »
Anecdotal, sure, but I shoot a CZ 75B in competition.  It's had a few thousand rounds through it (Half of which are my god-awful reloads) and it hasn't given me any trouble.

And to clarify what I mean by "any trouble", I have had no malfunctions that I couldn't trace back to either 1) A bad mag or 2) a bad reload.  The latter being the most common.

All my malfunctions have been user-based for the most part.  The gun runs like a top.
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 11:21:29 AM »
Beretta 92FS
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 11:54:01 AM »
Didn't specify if it could be used. So if one could find a used SIG 22X series then go for it.

I still think CZ's are hard to beat. I'd rather carry a CZ 75 for it's condition 1 capable carry than a 92FS. CZ's are ridiculously accurate for their price point as well. But if hammer down was the preferred carry option then the Beretta 92 or Stoeger Cougar would be fine choices.

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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2010, 12:16:26 PM »
Question as an uninformed person:  Is there any issue regarding the open-top slide on the Beretta with reliability whatsoever?

What about its locking block?


I honestly wouldn't know. :coffee

Not in my personal experience with about 19,000 rounds.
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2010, 12:40:16 PM »
For pure reliability, I would say nothing is going to beat out the Ruger P series pistols. The Beretta Cougar series is also very good, and a lot smoother. In the under $600 1911 class, I would put the Taurus PT 1911 on top. FM also makes a very reliable copy of the Hi Power that can be had for under $350. If I had to pick a 9mm with your specs I would personally prefer a Cougar.
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2010, 01:31:01 PM »
I haven't heard or seen any reliability issue because of the open top slide, but I have seen & experienced broken locking blocks at least a half dozen times.  I've had to fix our range gun (when I worked at a local gun shop & range) 2-3 times and I had one break on me during a M9 qualification when I was in the Air Force.  It's a royal PAIN to "un-jam" a gun with a broken locking block and I even made up some new swear words trying to clear a jam up.

Question as an uninformed person:  Is there any issue regarding the open-top slide on the Beretta with reliability whatsoever?

What about its locking block?


I honestly wouldn't know. :coffee
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2010, 01:48:09 PM »
My sig 229 was about $700 with night sights, so even a new Sig without night sights should be about $600. At least it was in 2007, I haven't priced them recently.

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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2010, 04:36:53 PM »
Whats the consensus for the Beretta 96G's? I saw quite a few that appeared to be LEO turn-ins at a local place priced at $499 ea.
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2010, 04:59:19 PM »
If reliability is the biggest consideration look for a LNIB S&W 3rd Generation pistol.  Ergos may or may not be to the person's liking.

I'd recommend a new or like-new Sig but they would mostly be beyond your $600 price range.
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2010, 05:58:12 PM »
I was issued a 96 years ago. Be very careful buying a trade in 96. I feel bad for whoever purchased ours, they were garbage. Most of the officers were using personally owned Glocks well before the dept transitioned to Glock 22s from the 96s.
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2010, 07:08:57 PM »
I would also throw the Ruger P85 or P89 up there with the Beretta 92.  I don't know how many thousands of rounds my P85 has through it, but it's a lot and I think it's every bit as reliable.  Not nearly as pleasing to the eye as the 92, sure, but I think it works as well.  The slide doesn't have that Swiss-watch buttery smoothness that the one 92 I've shot had, but it's still uber-reliable.  I also have a variety of Glocks, XDs, an M&P, and a couple of S&W Model 39s which are also all fine, reliable guns, but the Ruger P85 is at least the equal or better of them all in the reliability department.

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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2010, 07:14:17 PM »
Question as an uninformed person:  Is there any issue regarding the open-top slide on the Beretta with reliability whatsoever?

What about its locking block?


I honestly wouldn't know. :coffee

I know you said you have no way of knowing, but why would you think the open top would cause problems? Simply because it's different? I'm just trying to figure out where the idea came from.

I would also throw the Ruger P85 or P89 up there with the Beretta 92.  I don't know how many thousands of rounds my P85 has through it, but it's a lot and I think it's every bit as reliable.  Not nearly as pleasing to the eye as the 92, sure, but I think it works as well.  The slide doesn't have that Swiss-watch buttery smoothness that the one 92 I've shot had, but it's still uber-reliable.  I also have a variety of Glocks, XDs, an M&P, and a couple of S&W Model 39s which are also all fine, reliable guns, but the Ruger P85 is at least the equal or better of them all in the reliability department.

They sure are pretty, aren't they? The Italians can make a good looking gun. That buttery smoothness is a standard feature- add Slipstream and its rolling on bearings.

Reliability on mine in relatively crappy conditions has been 100%. Ranges in West Texas are pretty damn dusty. The match yesterday had five targets on a 45 degree down angle at about 2-3 feet...upwind. So all the dust kicked up by 10 rounds was pouring right into my gun, along with the dust from other shooters, since uprange was downwind. Zero malfs on the Beretta 92FS.
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2010, 07:28:01 PM »
Outbreak, I just thought that it being open would let more crap in.  I've only shot the 92 at shooting ranges.

Would I get one?, sure.  Though I'm set on a 9mm GLOCK first--that's just me.  I don't mind the grip and there is enough space on the frame for a good two-thumbs forward grip.
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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2010, 07:52:26 PM »
For everyone chiming in about Berettas.....how about a Stoeger Cougar? Beretta design, made on Beretta machinery in Turkey by Turkish labor under Beretta trained supervision.......and it can still be had for around $400 with $200 to spend on ammo ...available now in 9mm, .40 and .45...

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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2010, 08:01:23 PM »
Hmm, if we are assuming that money saved will be spent on ammo to practice with:

#1 Ruger: Tough as a brick, $300 range.

Stoeger Cougar: More compact $400 range

#3 CZ75, best gun for the money wont need to upgrade, figure on the $500 range.
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Re: Most reliable "metal" semi-auto pistol?
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2010, 08:34:42 PM »
most reliable 'metal' semiauto?

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