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Re: It's happening!!!!! (10MM goodness)
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2015, 10:00:25 PM »
Rule of thumb on mags is to avoid the red followers.  But five of mine are red follower and run fine.  The Elite Witness guns are a bit more money, but a lot more gun.

I see they also went to 14 rounds down from 15. Not a big deal to me. I'm happy with 9+1. Heck, I'm happy with revolvers.

Also not a big deal to me since I live in CT. Any CZ based pistol I buy is going to be in .45 ACP as they were all designed to hold 10 in the mag from the get go.

Regardless, I will have a 220 SAO in 10mm.
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2015, 08:30:48 AM »
   How well do Sig Single Action's sell anyway?    It seems like they are somewhat lackluster sellers to begin with?

  Sql good information, I may have to look into the witnesses. 
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2015, 10:38:27 AM »
Doesn't matter how well they sell, it's an option to an existing product, not it's own product line.
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2015, 12:43:45 PM »
.357 Magnum has been similarly nerfed by a lot of companies.

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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2015, 12:59:29 PM »
Doesn't matter how well they sell, it's an option to an existing product, not it's own product line.

I know, however the way I see it, that option....isn't as appealing as others.  Why offer that as 3/4 of your offerings to a cartridge like the 10mm?

 
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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2015, 01:01:25 PM »
I know, however the way I see it, that option....isn't as appealing as others.  Why offer that as 3/4 of your offerings to a cartridge like the 10mm?

 
Well right now, aside from from Glock, most 10mm on the market are 1911s.  Shrug. 
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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2015, 01:22:34 PM »
     True.  I think the ones wanting SA would still buy a 1911 first.  :shrug   
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Re: It's happening!!!!! (10MM goodness)
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2015, 03:08:43 PM »
I am kind of in the same camp as Grant on this.  If I wanted a P220 (which I do) in 10mm, (which I don't) it would have to be a traditional DA/SA in the standard length.  If I wanted longer, or SAO, I would get a longslide 1911. 



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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2015, 08:08:21 PM »
  You're right on both accounts. The ammo makers have to tailor loads to the public that conforms to the FBI testing stds, because the silly public thinks they need ammo that meets or exceeds the FBI test. The public thinks they need all that barrier defeating capability and super deep penetration. I think it's a case of "Well, if group/unit XYZ carries it, then I just have to have it!" As if the very possession of such gear imbues the Average Joe with some sort of special prowess, or the possession of it acts as a talisman that will actually ward of evil.......

  I think that's just silly. I always think to myself when I read or hear Regular Joes profess they "need" the latest bonded FBI approved wonder ammo... "Oh, ok Mr. Private Citizen, outside of the Walter Mitty/John McClane fantasyland, here in the real world, just when will one get into a gunfight with a carload of whomevers where one will need to punch through the front windscreen and sheet metal, or need/want to shoot through and defeat building materials?"
  These are usually the same guys that "need" a .223 rifle "Because I might need to penetrate a body armor clad BG and because it's safer to use inside a residence because it penetrates less than 9mms and .40s".....
  So that makes me respond,
"Ok, A. Just why would body armor clad BGs come after you? What makes you so special and important?"
       B. If you're concerned about over-penetration in your house, why do you carry the super duper barrier defeating FBI approved ammo in your sidearm? Do you realize that's probably what you'll first reach for, after waking groggily, from a deep sleep, when things go bump in the night inside your house."

  The buying public is a very fickle crowd that believes the BS it reads in gun rags and blogs far too often.


Personally, I think overpenetration of handgun rounds is one of the most exaggerated dangers out there.  How many times has it happened that a bullet has gone through an aggressor and injured an innocent bystander?  Now, compare that to the number of times missed shots injure bystanders.  Bullet type notwithstanding, if the bad guy is standing in front of a crowd of puppies, nuns, and orphans, you may want to rethink your decision to fire.  Missing is always a possibility.  That's something to consider when choosing a .223 rifle over a shotgun or handgun as well.  It may, with thin-jacketed varmint ammunition, penetrate walls less well, but if you miss, how much farther is a rifle bullet going to go?

It's not a deal-breaker for rifles, obviously, but it's a factor that needs to be considered.
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« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2015, 08:36:48 PM »
That's something to consider when choosing a .223 rifle over a shotgun or handgun as well.  It may, with thin-jacketed varmint ammunition, penetrate walls less well, but if you miss, how much farther is a rifle bullet going to go?

That is true.  On the other hand,  the longer sight radius often makes it easier to make hits with the rifle.   Of course, some people will then complain about how using the rifle is overkill.   We had a police shooting here in town a few weeks ago.   Officers were summoned to a domestic dispute where a crazy intoxicated guy was waving a knife around.   One of the officers shot him a couple of times with an AR-15 and killed him.  Immediately afterward, people started getting all worked up over her decision to take the rifle out of the car instead of shooting him with a handgun.    :banghead
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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2015, 08:57:26 PM »
  NC, you brought up good points. Missed shots are the devil.
  The problem of pistol rounds completely penetrating and hitting unintended tgts happens with some regularity. Twice in the last yr it made the news in NYC and their 124 gr bonded rds and a few yrs ago the LASD and LAPD both has incidents where officers or bystanders were hit by bonded 147gr projectiles and resulted in a s___ storm of bad PR and civil action.
  I'm not against rounds that meet the FBI stds. They obviously are very much needed in LE circles, as they do quite often need that level of performance from a handgun with so many OISs happening in and around motor vehicles and or barricaded suspects.

  I just think Joe Q Public is misguided in their "needing" the same level of barrier defeating performance and quite possibly are setting themselves up for some real misfortune should their rounds over-penetrate and hit innocents.
  In their zeal to have the latest and greatest most tacticallierest toys and hang w/ the cool kids with all the cool gear, most haven't thoroughly examined the fullness of the lead-up to a deadly force incident, the incident it's self and the aftermath of said incident.
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2015, 09:34:05 PM »
I don't disagree.  I think people get too bent out of shape over both OVER and UNDER penetration.  They worry too much about having the "right" bullet.  I think in very few cases is the kind of bullet going to make a huge difference.

My thing about using an AR for home defense?  It's gonna be loud.  Having to shoot someone in your hallway is going to be bad enough without giving yourself tinnitus too.  I'll stick with a 12-gauge.  I've fired 12 gauge indoors before.  It's manageable. 

Also, and this greatly depends on the jurisdiction in which you live, but an AR will be something a prosecutor and the media latches onto.  Imagine if George Zimmerman had been carrying an AR during his incident, for example.  Now in a sane world, a justified shoot is justified, and the type of gun makes no difference.  But as ksuguy pointed out, the media loves whinging about scary-looking guns, even if cops use them.
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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2015, 09:43:34 PM »
Yeah,  even if the cop uses the rifle on a guy that had just stabbed someone,  was intoxicated,  and was menacing people with a knife.   

Here's a link to the article about it.

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article5921553.html
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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2015, 10:01:57 PM »
I don't disagree.  I think people get too bent out of shape over both OVER and UNDER penetration.  They worry too much about having the "right" bullet.  I think in very few cases is the kind of bullet going to make a huge difference.

My thing about using an AR for home defense?  It's gonna be loud.  Having to shoot someone in your hallway is going to be bad enough without giving yourself tinnitus too.  I'll stick with a 12-gauge.  I've fired 12 gauge indoors before.  It's manageable. 

Also, and this greatly depends on the jurisdiction in which you live, but an AR will be something a prosecutor and the media latches onto.  Imagine if George Zimmerman had been carrying an AR during his incident, for example.  Now in a sane world, a justified shoot is justified, and the type of gun makes no difference.  But as ksuguy pointed out, the media loves whinging about scary-looking guns, even if cops use them.
I agree completely. I've shot a 14.5" AR indoors, it's just about as bad as shooting a 2.5" .357Mag indoors. WOOF!
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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2015, 05:44:56 PM »
I am kind of in the same camp as Grant on this.  If I wanted a P220 (which I do) in 10mm, (which I don't) it would have to be a traditional DA/SA in the standard length.  If I wanted longer, or SAO, I would get a longslide 1911. 


I've got a Delta Elite. I'm getting a 220 10mm SAO because when the option is there I always go with condition one carry. I also like variety, hence my large carry rotation.
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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2015, 08:35:24 PM »
I would like one to carry as an anti-bear pistol.

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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2015, 09:38:54 PM »
I will grab a longslide P220 in DA/SA. I love Sig pistols, and 10mm, so it's not a stretch. But I also think these are going to turn into collectibles. The 10mm P220 will be made for a year or three, no one will buy them for all the reasons mentioned, and I'll have one.  >:D
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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2015, 12:55:02 AM »
If I can swing it I would like to buy both the Hunter and the Elite reverse two tone.

I am a 10mm fan boy, but Sig fan boy's will PAY for their obsession and these are not going to be around too long, I am afraid.  I hope they sell good enough for S&W or Springfield to bring out there pistols in 10mm.

I will grab a longslide P220 in DA/SA. I love Sig pistols, and 10mm, so it's not a stretch. But I also think these are going to turn into collectibles. The 10mm P220 will be made for a year or three, no one will buy them for all the reasons mentioned, and I'll have one.  >:D
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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2015, 12:03:36 PM »
Slightly disappointed in the 8 round mag but hopefully SIG makes an extended 10 shot mag. That'd be nice. Or someone makes an aftermarket 9 rounder.

The 8 round mag isn't remotely a deal breaker for me. I'm still getting one.
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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2015, 01:23:14 PM »
I will grab a longslide P220 in DA/SA. I love Sig pistols, and 10mm, so it's not a stretch. But I also think these are going to turn into collectibles. The 10mm P220 will be made for a year or three, no one will buy them for all the reasons mentioned, and I'll have one.  >:D

They ever come out with a longslide in DA/SA I will be all over that.  Regardless of finish, I can pay to get it redone in black stainless. 
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« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2015, 01:53:15 AM »
Lipsey's is saying these, or at least their special runs, are shipping mid April.  Anybody ordered one yet?  Or heard anything else on shipping dates?  That is what the guys on the Sig Forum were saying.

Link to Lipsey's here or at least the one I am thinking about.
http://lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=SI220R510RTASMS

Or this one if I don't care for the DA/SA.
http://lipseys.com/itemdetail.aspx?itemno=SI220R510BSESAO
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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2015, 02:07:58 PM »
my happiness was short lived....I insist on a double stack when in the bush so an 8 round version is useless to me. Now will have to be satisfied with my glock 20 for a while longer. As for a wheel gun here in Alaska, what we call a bushwhacker with a .454 in heavy alder? Bear poop.
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« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2015, 12:11:39 AM »
my happiness was short lived....I insist on a double stack when in the bush so an 8 round version is useless to me. Now will have to be satisfied with my glock 20 for a while longer. As for a wheel gun here in Alaska, what we call a bushwhacker with a .454 in heavy alder? Bear poop.

I will be in from the bush, Bristol Bay, next week, and will start looking in earnest.  I am unhappy also that it is only single stack, but I think as 10mm fans we need to buy quality guns from quality manufactures.  That way we get more choices.   :neener  I think that I am going to a G40 for non concealed carry in the bush.
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