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Good News for AR Pistol Owners
« on: April 27, 2017, 12:55:17 PM »
In a recent conversation documented here the ATF position on shouldering an AR pistol equipped with a stabilizing forearm brace has been clarified.

For those not up to speed, a letter from the ATF a while back indicated that you could be "remanufactured" into a felon depending on how you held your AR pistol. The letter seemed to state that touching the buffer tube or brace to the shoulder constituted changing the gun into an SBR and that without the associated tax stamp you are have become a very bad man.

In a conversation this position was clarified.  Relevant elements of clarification:

1.  The brace would have to be "permanently" affixed to the buffer tube.  Specifically, blue-loctite is bad, but red is OK in securing the screws that fix the brace to the gun.
2.  Length of pull.  If your length of pull, measured from trigger face to end of the brace, is 13.5" or less, you are green.  Over that amount and it gets gray.

I personally find this to be great news.  One of the great things about AR pistols is they are the perfect size for young shooters.  My nine and ten year olds find an AR pistol to have the perfect dimensions to allow them to shoot comfortably.  They are not so front heavy that their young arms tire before they even get the sights on target, and the length of pull is short enough that they can maintain a good shooting geometry in their hold.  The same holds true for my 4'10", 71 year old mother.  Her 10.5" are pistol is her favorite "rifle-caliber" gun to shoot.

Anyway, I wanted anyone with an interest to be aware.
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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 01:35:52 PM »
    I wish the rules would get written and simplified.  There's too many nuances.  Why can't they make it as simple as, Less than 26 inches = Pistol and Over 26 inches = Long Gun.
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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 02:06:45 PM »
    You're expecting plain language from something ruled by lawyers...

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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 02:15:51 PM »
    You're expecting plain language from something ruled by lawyers...

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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 02:55:32 PM »
    I wish the rules would get written and simplified.  There's too many nuances.  Why can't they make it as simple as, Less than 26 inches = Pistol and Over 26 inches = Long Gun.

    Simple.

    What is the real difference between a pistol and a rifle in the context of a modern firearm's capabilities to deliver a projectile?  The answer is none.

    I mean, sure, a rifle works much better at longer ranges for precision shooting, and a pistol is a better choice for transitioning between targets at very close range.

    A better question is to ask what the original goal of these classifications was in 1934 when they were codified in the '34 NFA.  Except, don't look too hard cause the answer leads back to where we already are.  It was the depression, prohibition had just ended and unless something was done a bunch of "revenue" agents were about to be out of jobs.  The government didn't wanna be in the business of laying people off, so they needed new rules for these guys to enforce.  And the gang violence of prohibition gave them the political opportunity to codify a bunch of new gun rules to keep all these agents busy.

    This leads us to today, where you may be a felon depending on which tube of loctite you used when you assembled your AR-15.
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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #5 on: April 28, 2017, 01:42:29 AM »
    Nice to know what an agent said over the phone, but the letter released by the tech branch doesn't mention loctite or length of pull.

    What it does mention is that as long as the brace has not been altered so as to make it unusable as a pistol brace by you it is good to go.  Keep in mind that an alteration does not need to be permanent or irreversible in order to run you into legal trouble.
     
    I can see where permanently fixing the length at over 13.5 might move things to a questionable status, after all, how many people have forearms that are over 13.5 inches in length?    But if orangutan like arms and setting the brace to 14 inches in length suits your pistol shooting stance you should be fine.





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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #6 on: April 28, 2017, 11:47:23 AM »
    I wish the darned rules on SBRs would just get tossed out.  I personally have no use for an AR pistol but I'd like to have a "mare's leg" in 22 LR or 22 magnum with a folding or detachable stock and a suppressor.
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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #7 on: April 28, 2017, 02:12:44 PM »
    I wouldn't mind doing a 9mm carbine, but the only company I've found building around Beretta magazines (for compatibility with my 92A1) is Wilson Combat, and I'm not paying those prices until I win the lottery... half the price to buy a CX4 and the Papa Sierra steel parts...
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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #8 on: April 28, 2017, 03:15:12 PM »
    The need for a Federal definition of "pistols" exists only because the original 1934 bill included all pistols under the registration/tax system that would become the National Firearms Act of 1934.

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    Re: Good News for AR Pistol Owners
    « Reply #9 on: April 28, 2017, 06:56:47 PM »
    And they do this just as I'm building an AR15 pistol in 7.62X39mm.

    As other people pointed out the NFA is full of various BS including the probable reason it was passed. It is a law that needs to just go away.
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