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Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« on: December 23, 2010, 04:25:27 PM »
I like my Gen 4 G23, but after a couple of weeks I'm not so sure I like the double-spring recoil thing.  The gen 4 slide spring(s) seem much stiffer than the one that's on my gen 3 Glock 19.  There's a Glock fanatic in my club who told me about a way to convert a gen 4 to a gen 3 recoil system, by switching out the gen 4 double-spring thing with a slide bushing and a gen 3 recoil spring.

Bushing:
http://www.glockworx.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=155949&CAT=3694

Recoil spring:
http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7264&CAT=737


Does anyone here have experience with this?  The total for both parts isn't bad, maybe $18 + S&H.  I'm toying with the idea of getting this and seeing how it works.  I'm hoping that this will maybe make it perform a little more reliably as I *hear* the gen 3 Glocks do compared to the gen 4s.   What say you all?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Easy to do like it sounds?


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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2010, 04:40:15 PM »
Why would you do that?  Your defeating the main purpose of the Gen4.  Increased reliability.  So you turned your new Gen4 into an old Gen3 with a different texture.  Now say you want to run a weapon light - and you are right back to why Glock changed.  Also, the Gen4's shoot softer than regular Gen3's... So you are now giving the gun a handicap by making it also shoot Sharper... just so it doesn't feel as stiff when you hand-cycle it.
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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2010, 05:12:59 PM »
Why would you do that?  Your defeating the main purpose of the Gen4.  Increased reliability.  So you turned your new Gen4 into an old Gen3 with a different texture.  Now say you want to run a weapon light - and you are right back to why Glock changed.  Also, the Gen4's shoot softer than regular Gen3's... So you are now giving the gun a handicap by making it also shoot Sharper... just so it doesn't feel as stiff when you hand-cycle it.
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My impression was that the gen 4s had poorer reliability than the gen 3s.  Gen 3s seem to work with just about any load, the gen 4s need loads on the hot side to function reliably.  That's what I've heard, anyway.  I have had some kind of annoying FTF problems with my gen 4 G23, when using a Lone Wolf barrel, that I never get with my gne 3 G19 and it's lone wolf barrel.  Some of that may be due to 9mm having a slight taper while 40SW doesn't, but it seems reasonable to me that it could be the gen 4 recoil system vs the gen 3.  For $20 I wouldn't mind trying it out, anyway, if there's a reasonable chance it'll improve the reliability.  The Glock fanatic I mentioned (he's the Match Director for our club's annual GSSF match, so he's not just 'sum dood') seems to think I'll be happier with the gen 3 recoil system- he's much happier with his gen 3 Glocks than the gen 4s.

That's the theory, anyway.

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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 05:22:15 PM »
When I switched from a well used 9mm P226 to a brand new .40 P226, I noticed the recoil spring was much stiffer as well.  Could be your caliber change at play more than the pistol itself.

Or I could be wrong, but it was the first thing I thought of when I read your post.
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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2010, 06:40:21 PM »
My impression was that the gen 4s had poorer reliability than the gen 3s.  Gen 3s seem to work with just about any load, the gen 4s need loads on the hot side to function reliably.  That's what I've heard, anyway.  I have had some kind of annoying FTF problems with my gen 4 G23, when using a Lone Wolf barrel, that I never get with my gne 3 G19 and it's lone wolf barrel.  Some of that may be due to 9mm having a slight taper while 40SW doesn't, but it seems reasonable to me that it could be the gen 4 recoil system vs the gen 3.  For $20 I wouldn't mind trying it out, anyway, if there's a reasonable chance it'll improve the reliability.  The Glock fanatic I mentioned (he's the Match Director for our club's annual GSSF match, so he's not just 'sum dood') seems to think I'll be happier with the gen 3 recoil system- he's much happier with his gen 3 Glocks than the gen 4s.

That's the theory, anyway.

You modded the gun with an aftermarket barrel and it won't work right, so now your solution is to mod it again.

It's your gun, but if it were me and I was really upset with the Gen 4 improvements I'd trade it for a Gen 3. I'm just a dumb armorer, but that's my take.
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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2010, 06:56:37 PM »
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My impression was that the gen 4s had poorer reliability than the gen 3s.

I think you are thinking about Gen 4 9mm guns, which have had some issues. I haven't heard the same issues with the Gen 4 .40 guns. From what I understand, Glock, at least initially, used the same recoil springs for the Gen 4 9mm and .40 S&W guns, and you can see that the stiffer Gen 4 spring caused issues in the 9mm guns.



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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 07:02:41 PM »
Spend some time shooting someone else's gen 3. If you like it better, I bet you can find someone willing to trade a gen 3 for a gen 4. I personally like the gen 3s better than the gen 4s or RTF pistols. I also like the grips best on the gen 1s. They all work fine, it just comes down to preference.
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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2010, 04:20:08 AM »
This is why I'll look for a Gen 3 17 or 19.  (I'm currently leaning towards the 17 at this point).
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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2010, 11:36:36 AM »
we traded in our older model 22's for Gen 3 model 22 RTF,  got them just before the gen 4 hit the market but we like our Gen 3 just fine.


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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2010, 03:14:21 PM »
my gen 4 17 only has a FTF problem when you like totally limp wrist it... (like almost not hanging onto the gun at all) that is the only issue i have had with it stovepiping one out of the approx 700 rds i have shot through it since i have had it a couple months ago... also i have heard from the local glock dealer for the police in the county that they have fixed this issue wiht the heavy recoil spring... for what its worth
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Re: Gen 4 to Gen 3 Glock 23?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2011, 12:19:30 AM »
I like my Gen 4 G23, but after a couple of weeks I'm not so sure I like the double-spring recoil thing.  The gen 4 slide spring(s) seem much stiffer than the one that's on my gen 3 Glock 19.  There's a Glock fanatic in my club who told me about a way to convert a gen 4 to a gen 3 recoil system, by switching out the gen 4 double-spring thing with a slide bushing and a gen 3 recoil spring.

Bushing:
http://www.glockworx.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=155949&CAT=3694

Recoil spring:
http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7264&CAT=737


Does anyone here have experience with this?  The total for both parts isn't bad, maybe $18 + S&H.  I'm toying with the idea of getting this and seeing how it works.  I'm hoping that this will maybe make it perform a little more reliably as I *hear* the gen 3 Glocks do compared to the gen 4s.   What say you all?  Good idea?  Bad idea?  Easy to do like it sounds?


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Ok so you want to go away from the double recoil spring...ok that's your choice and I wont hassle you about that. I'm not too turned on by the gen 4 to begin with so I kind of understand. You should have gone, in my opinion only, with the stainless steel rod, from Lone Wolf, and the factory weight spring they carry that is a normal coil spring and not the flat wire crap. No double recoil spring and the added reliability and smoothness of operation you get from the metal guide rod.

Just my two cents.


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