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4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
« on: September 20, 2015, 06:54:45 PM »

Okay - Right off the bat - Daniel Shaw is a friend of mine.  Great guy.  Tons of experience.  And is an up and coming world class trainer.  He knows what he's talking about.
However, I respectfully disagree with him.
But he does make some good points about the 1911.  For one to pack a 1911 as your Defensive Weapon - he's right.  It takes time, ability, and knowledge.  For most guys - the 1911 is going to require dedication of the owner to really get know the 1911 and commit yourself to it.
I think these days the 1911 is the gun for the Modern Shootist. 

What say you?
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #1 on: September 20, 2015, 07:22:28 PM »
    For mag capacity, no argument. I would just point out that the most popular carry guns coming out now are 6-8 shot sub-compacts (Glock, S&W Shield, etc), and revolvers are still selling with 5-6 shots.

    The safety argument is ironic. He claims it's a lack of training, but he's a trainer. :scrutiny So this is a classic case of teaching what he's good at, not teaching what the student needs to learn. I have many strong opinions about firearm instructors and their teaching techniques (or lack thereof) but that's another thread. Bottom line is that it's absolutely a training issue, and it's not that hard to train to sweep a safety off. I do it on every gun I pick up, whether it's got a safety in that position or not.

    Every tool needs maintenance to stay in good operating condition. Also, if you buy crap, no amount of Slipstream will make it run. A 1911 requires no more expertise to field strip and clean than any other gun. It does not require special tools or certifications. It requires a few minutes, and the same gun cleaning kit you'd have for a Glock.

    Mag compatibility? Seriously? If you're carrying a semi-auto and haven't numbered your mags, tested each one, and weeded out the "incompatible" ones, you're wrong. Yes, I even did this with my Glock. If I carry it, I've tested it. I'd expect a "professional," like this guy claims to be, to do the same and teach the same.

    And finally, price. He's worried about the money going into the evidence room? I'm worried about me going to the morgue. I'll carry whatever is effective, and if a 1911 is effective for me (it is, very much so) then it's cheap life insurance.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #2 on: September 20, 2015, 08:18:34 PM »
    Here's the thing though. We're talking personal defense. Not a Mission in Durkahstan. Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    There's only been a small handful of incidences where High Capacity made any difference. And even then - more accurate hits with a more potent caliber would probably have sorted things out just fine.
    The market for higher and higher capacities is exacerbated with the new wave of trainers that stress a s___ ton of hits with smaller caliber guns as fast as possible.
    Yeah - there's some point to that. The US Army went with that philosophy when they went from .308 to 5.56.
    There's also good points for the lesser capacity - yet harder hitting option. Which is why SOCOM bought the SCAR MK17 and the US Army started bringing M-14's out of Mothballs over in the sandbox.
    There's a reason MARSOC bought Colt Rail Guns.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #3 on: September 20, 2015, 08:37:02 PM »
     Outbreak, I agree w/ you.

     Everything (except the 7-9 shot capacity of the single stack 1911) this guy complains about is a training deficiency....He's supposed to be a firearms instructor...if he can't teach his students to overcome rookie mistakes w/ a 1911, then it's on him...yet another guy with an "operator beard" and wearing a cap crushed down on one's head, haunted/hunted dark cast to eyes, furtive glances to and fro, unconsciously hunched shoulders.....Psychological armor... hard to trust that....Not really impressed.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #4 on: September 20, 2015, 09:18:05 PM »
    While I respect Mr. Shaw's opinions, I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with them. My rundown by the numbers, in the order he makes them:

    Magazine capacity: Yes, you are looking at 7+1 or 8+1 with a full-size 1911, and 6+1 or 7+1 with a compact 1911. So what? You carry extra magazines, and you practice reloading. Just like you should with any other defensive firearm, be it a pistol or rifle. And if you're shooting it out and the street like the Earps and Doc Holliday vs. the Clantons & McLaurys at the O.K. Corrall, then you're doing it wrong. If you have to reload, get behind cover first. Heck, that's what you should be trying to do when the shooting starts.

    Safety Lever: This is a training issue, something that Shaw readily admits. And I while it's never happened to me, I saw it happen in a defensive pistol class I took. We were running a modified Tueller Drill, and one of the student fumbled his Beretta 92FS's safety under stress and failed to disengage it. He actually did it both times we ran the drill But here's the thing: it can be overcome with training. Shaw admits as much. But he also admits that he doesn't want to. That, IMO, is a failure on his part as both an instructor and as a student of the gun. If you carry a firearm for defense, then you must train with it to the point where you can run it reliably and accurately under stress.

    Magazine Compatibility: Buy quality, high-end magazines. Simple as that. Five, maybe ten minutes on Google and you'll find a list of good quality magazines that should run in your gun. Then take them to the range and test them out to make sure. And if a magazine fails on you, take it out of your carry rotation, fix it if you can, then test it again to make sure it's back to functioning 100% before you start carrying it again.

    Reliability: In days gone buy, yeah, there were a few 1911s that ran right out of the box and a whole bunch that didn't. But from what I've seen, those days are long gone. Even Rock Island/Armscor guns seem to run box stock. Naturally, the fit and finish won't be as nice as a Wilson Combat, nor will the gun be as accurate, but it'll still be accurate enough for self-defense purposes, and it will run. And yes, the 1911 is a more maintinence-intensive platform than more modern designs. But again, so what? If you carry a gun, any gun, for self defense, then you make the time to clean it and lube it. You make the time to ensure it's running reliable. Not wanting to take the time to do it is again a failure as both a trainer and as a student of the gun. And what's with this BS about not wanting your gun to wind up in an evidence locker because it's so expensive? I know it's cliche, but how much is your life worth? Now I don't say that to mean that you should be carrying a $5000 gun, but still, your life, and the lives of your loved ones, should be worth the investment into a quality self defense tool.

    Now all that said, I do agree with George: the 1911 is not a gun for a "casual" gun owner. It is indeed for the Modern Shootist. I say this because it is more maintenance-intensive than modern platforms and does require more TLC than other platforms. It can be a pain in the @$$ to field-strip and reassemble. And it requires a little more training to master shooting it and running it. That's why when people come to me asking what gun they should get (yes, it happens), I tend to steer them away from the 1911 if they express interest in it. Because I know they're not going to give it that TLC. I've only told two of my buddies "yes, buy that 1911," because they were already gun nuts who knew how to properly maintain their weapons.

    IMO, anyone can properly run a 1911 if they're willing to put in the time and effort to master it. If they're not willing, then they would most definitely be better served with a different, less complicated platform.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #5 on: September 20, 2015, 09:53:46 PM »
    I never found the 1911 to be unreasonably difficult to disassemble and reassemble. :shrug



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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #6 on: September 20, 2015, 10:04:14 PM »
    Nor I, and pain in the @$$ was probably a poor choice of words. Though the funky dual-coil spring recoil assembly in my Range Officer Compact does give me fits sometimes when I try to reassemble the gun. But it is a more complicated procedure than, say, a SIG or a Glock. And people are, by and large, stupid: the more complicated something is, the more likely that some bonehead who thinks he knows everything will screw up. I do recall at least one guy bringing a 1911 into my preferred LGS in a zip-lock bag because he'd field stripped it and couldn't figure out how to put it back together.  :facepalm
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #7 on: September 20, 2015, 10:10:34 PM »
    It's funny how much people will argue this, but I can't remember the last time anyone said I was a fool to carry a single action revolver in .41.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 20, 2015, 10:24:12 PM »
    I don't really trust my 1911 for carry as much as I do my M&P. The wide variety of gun makers and parts makers means it can take some sorting to get quality guns/parts/mags and fitting the parts right takes time, patience, care and ability.

    I don't think a 1911 is a sentence of death to carry because of capacity or any of it's shortcomings but I also feel that it's a bit more finicky than a more modern design and it can take tuning and attention to keep it reliable. Carry one if you wish but I do not recommend going cheap on it if you are going to defend your life with one (Taurus, I'm looking at you!). I also feel the best size for reliability is a full size Gov't model and that going smaller than a Commander/4.25" format is a mistake IMHO. I carry mine sometimes and the safety and lower capacity certainly do not trouble me at all.

    And if you want to open a can of worms about training and defensive firearms, the manual safety on a 1911 is nothing compared to loading and manipulating the pump shotgun that many advocate for defense. Holy hell that is easy to fluff up if you don't train a lot with one.


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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #9 on: September 20, 2015, 10:26:03 PM »
    I wouldn't say that Shaw is a lazy or sub-par trainer. What he is, is a retired Marine, VERY familiar with the Beretta M9. His 1911 experience is much more limited. He has said in podcasts that he likes the idea and execution of glock way better than the M9, but when the chips are down, he shoots better with the M9 simply because he has more experience with it.

    Now that he can choose his own guns, he carries a Sig 226 or a Glock.

    But, having been a Marine instructor, I think he is more at home with an AR in his hands. So his focus is more toward the rifle, the pistol is something he carries concealed, but doesn't think about too much. And given the choice between a pistol he doesn't have to worry about too much and one that requires a little more attention, I think he opts for the easier option. It is the choice between a Zippo and a Bic lighter.

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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #10 on: September 20, 2015, 10:41:59 PM »
    Personally I love the 1911. It is all I have carried as far as a sidearm goes. For me I wouldn't trust myself with anything else.

    I will say he does have some valid points on his video though. Magazine capacity. I can't argue with that. 7+1 is what it is and while it may have been good back in 1911 it shows its age now. That being said having million rounds doesn't matter if you miss 9 million times. I carry the 1911 because it is what I shoot best. If I put the time into it I could probably learn to shoot a hi power just as well. As well I agree with him on stopping power. It is a 45ACP not a magic bullet. Handgun rounds just aren't that impressive in the grand scheme of things. There are certainly worse choices out there than 45ACP when it comes to the caliber argument but, with the newer handgun rounds I don't think 45ACP is as big of a deal as it once was. Again the gun is showing its age. To that though I would go back to shot placement. I feel like I am more likely to get good hits with a 1911 than anything else.

    The safety lever argument. I think it boils down to two things preference and training. I like the safety lever that is my preference. I wouldn't want to carry say a Glock or something else without a manual safety. I think having a manual safety adds a little bit more to the margin of not having an accidental discharge. Second I think it is a training thing. Sure it is probably easier to teach people to shot a gun that doesn't have a safety lever than to teach them to flick it off and then shot it. I feel though that it is something that is easy to learn. When I first started doing tactical firearms classes I had trouble with that. You know what now I don't because I have trained with it. Not a big deal to me though I can see why some wouldn't like that feature. To me it is a must have, well maybe not a must but pretty close to it.

    Magazine compatibility to me this is a no brainier, try your mags before you trust your life to them. Same with the gun and the ammo you plan to carry in it. This isn't rocket science it is just eliminating as many variables as you can from the equation before you get in a gun fight. I would do this with any other gun I would chose to carry. The only big difference here is it seems like everyone and their dog makes 1911s and mags with other guns your choices are more limited. Me I like choices and finding good 1911 mags isn't hard there are several manufactures who have good reputations. Buy one from them and see if you gun likes it. If it does buy more and test everyone of them you plan to carry.

    As far as reliability goes my experience differs from his. I haven't had a lot of trouble from my 1911s with the exception of one old colt mag. So I don't carry that mag I use it to practice malfunction drills. I wouldn't say a 1911 has any more or less trouble than most other guns I see. I think the real trouble here is that everyone and there dog seems to make 1911s now. So there are many different parts of varying quality. Parts selection is probably a bit more of a process than it would be with many other guns. Perhaps overwhelming for a beginner but you can work around it. Go buy a new gun that isn't used so you don't have to worry about who knows who doing who knows what to it with there home gunsmithing skills. End of problem. If there was as much of an aftermarket market for other pistols they would have this problem too. 

    It may be more difficult to field strip and maintain that some newer designs but again it isn't rocket science. It isn't hard to learn certainly not to the point where I would rule carrying the gun out. Perhaps it takes a bit more dedication and it isn't the best choice for a new shooter but it can be learned easily.

    He does have a point on price though. I think for what the average 1911 costs you can probably get more gun for less money with many other designs. As other have pointed out though how much is you life worth to you? While we all have a budget I think you can get a good 1911 that isn't that much more expensive than most other carry guns. You may have to save your pennies a bit longer but if it is the gun you shoot the best it may be worth it in the long run.

    My take on the 1911, perhaps not the best beginners gun but easy enough for a beginner to learn that I wouldn't want to rule it out if they want to take the time to learn it. Here is where a good trainer will work wonders. You may get by easier with a trainer who isn't so good on another gun but my experience is training is one place you don't want to skimp on. The gun despite being an old design still works and works well. It may show its age when it comes to magazine capacity and internal complexity but if you take the time to learn the gun both how to shoot it and how to maintain it the gun will work. I think the gun is still perfectly serviceable.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #11 on: September 20, 2015, 10:42:14 PM »
    It's funny how much people will argue this, but I can't remember the last time anyone said I was a fool to carry a single action revolver in .41.
    I don't think much of the idea of carrying a SA revolver, but it is not my place to tell you what you should be doing, even less to be calling you a fool. :shrug

    But for me, doing that would be foolish.



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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #12 on: September 20, 2015, 10:42:28 PM »
    Outbreak, I agree w/ you.

     Everything (except the 7-9 shot capacity of the single stack 1911) this guy complains about is a training deficiency....He's supposed to be a firearms instructor...if he can't teach his students to overcome rookie mistakes w/ a 1911, then it's on him...yet another guy with an "operator beard" and wearing a cap crushed down on one's head, haunted/hunted dark cast to eyes, furtive glances to and fro, unconsciously hunched shoulders.....Psychological armor... hard to trust that....Not really impressed.

    He's an EXCELLENT firearms Instructor.  You don't know him... But I do.  He's top notch.  He's actually one of the best in the Industry.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #13 on: September 20, 2015, 10:46:45 PM »
    I do recall at least one guy bringing a 1911 into my preferred LGS in a zip-lock bag because he'd field stripped it and couldn't figure out how to put it back together.  :facepalm
    Funny you should mention that.  I once took a stainless 1911 to a gunsmith in pieces, because the slide and/or frame rails were galling.  When he was done polishing the rails, he left the gun in pieces and made me reassemble it when I came to pick it up.  It was quite obvious that he thought I was one of the above mentioned idiots.



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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #14 on: September 20, 2015, 11:09:47 PM »
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    I say this because it is more maintenance-intensive than modern platforms and does require more TLC than other platforms. It can be a pain in the @$$ to field-strip and reassemble. And it requires a little more training to master shooting it and running it.

    Just like the AR-15...
    Yet we've given the AR-15 a pass... The AR-15 is accepted.  The AR-15 is loved.  WHY IS THAT?
    Because of institutionalized and almost universal Familiarization. 
    In essence - TRAINING. 
    The 1911 is no longer taught to the rank and file.  It's no longer the sidearm of the masses... Glock has replaced that.  Because the Modern Shootist needs everything simplified so he can concentrate on all the "Problem Solving".  (That's the usual buzzwords these days)
    Here's the reality though.   The 1911's long and distinguished (no johnson jokes) service record has been done mainly with guns built with inferior alloys made with inferior tooling and made with mass production in mind.  Yet they worked quite well.
    The 1911's made NOW... Right now... Any new 1911 on most any store's shelves is going to be a better made, higher quality 1911 than what my Grandfather carried through WWII.  Any 1911 now is going to be better than most any 1911 from 20 years ago - and most production 1911's are as good or better than most custom 1911's from 20 years ago.   I know this because I had some very nice custom 1911's made in the 80's and they couldn't touch an off the shelf Springfield made just 5 years ago.
    SO...
    The 1911's are better than ever.
    Yet they now seem to be a Nitch. 
    Why?
    TRAINING. 
    The younger generation makes excuses about efficiency and High Stress Reality - and Capacity is usually the crutch.
    The Reality though is that the 1911 seems outdated and thus they do not want to invest the time to learn about the obsolete...
    Gentlemen... the 1911 is now the VHS Tape Cassette Player of Handguns.  The 1911 is the Floppy Disk of Pistols.  Obsolete and outdated.

    But it isn't. 

    No.  The 1911 is the equivalent of the motorcycle Cafe Racer.  The Cafe Racer might be a nitch bike these days... but it's the bike for the Purists.  The distilled essence of Motorcycling.  Simple.  Take all other forms of Motorcycling and distill it into an extract - that's the Cafe Bike.   And that is the 1911.   More maintenance to keep it running... sure.  But that's part of the joy of ownership.  It becomes it's own ritual of purification and focus.    The 1911 is the pistol form of the Samurai's code of Bushido. 

    And if you can't understand that... if you don't grasp this... if you don't "Get it".  Then I can't explain it to you.   If you do get it - you are nodding in agreement with me.  If you don't you are shaking your head because you will never get it.  And that makes you sad.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #15 on: September 20, 2015, 11:28:02 PM »
    Don't misunderstand, George: I am nodding in agreement with you. And since I am part of that younger generation you mentioned, I would give you grief about your remark... if you weren't absolutely 100% correct. My generation, and the generations that have followed, are not interested in taking the time to learn anything, let alone master something. They want everything in life to be set on easy mode, and if they can't do it right the first time then they'll put it down and never touch it again because it's hard! That's what happens when you hand out trophies just for bothering to show up.

    All that said, once I get a good holster for it, my CZ-75 will probably be replacing my Range Officer Compact as my regular carry piece. Not due to any fault of or flaw with the 1911, but simply because I shoot the CZ better than I shoot the 1911. I prefer the CZ-75 cocked and locked, so the manual of arms will be pretty much the same.
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    « Reply #17 on: September 21, 2015, 12:56:03 AM »
    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.

    It's funny how much people will argue this, but I can't remember the last time anyone said I was a fool to carry a single action revolver in .41.

    There are so many good points here that I cannot quote them all. I would definitely hate to hear his opinion on revolvers  :coffee.

    Here is the thing. I do not prefer handguns with safeties. I do not think the .45 acp is magical and I am not a disciple of JMB. That being said, I would never tell anyone that the 1911 is a bad choice. It is still a "real gun". Drawing back from the "Go Big" thread, it has a hand filling grip, easily manipulated controls, a suitable calibre, and good sight radius and trigger. If you can carry a 1911, no "pocket gun" (which is what most people seem to carry anyways) will compare to it. Personally I do not like that it is heavy and that the butt prints slightly when I carry it, but that is what I get for not buying a Luke Adams holster for my 1911. One thing I must confess, I have never devoted the time to quickly and efficiently field strip the 1911, but I (like anyone else) could easily learn to do so. I normally just throw on my 686 and go about my day.

    I have been lusting after the Springfield range officer compact (and also a Beretta Cheetah, but that's another auto for another thread) for quite a while now.

    To anyone wanting to carry a 1911 my opinion is: Keep the barrel length at least 4 inches long, buy a decent gun/magazines, carry a spare magazine, and train until the manual safety is 2nd nature and until you are comfortable carrying "cocked and locked".

    That's it. If it takes you more than two 7 round magazines, it's time to be heading for the 870 in the car anyways.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #18 on: September 21, 2015, 06:24:47 AM »

    You know, fifteen years ago the 1911 was cutting edge.  SERIOUS SHOOTERS were the ones who had a 1911 and an AR-15.  There was even a book out about the 1911 and the AR-15.

    Bear in mind, the 1911 was already almost 90 years old at this point, and polymer-framed, double-stack, striker-fires had been on the market since the early eighties.  There were articles in gun rags about the progressive police departments that would allow their officers to train with and carry the 1911.

    Now?  Now, the 1911 is an obsolete piece of junk that's going to get you killed.  Now, even though every rifle and shotgun you're likely to ever use has a manual safety, using one on a handgun is a training hurdle that can barely be overcome.  I'm not talking about the link specifically, but the general stuff I've seen over the years.

    The 1911, the Glock, and the human hand haven't changed in the last fifteen years.  We're just talking about what comes in and out of fashion.

    Me, I had a Colt Series 80 Government Model from 2003 until 2013.  Aside from the time the original front sight got huffy and took off downrange, I never had an issue with it, in thousands of rounds.  I didn't need armorer training, gunsmithing ability, or have to detail strip and work on it for it to function.

    All of the qualities that made the 1911 popular in the past are still there.  It's just the current butt-monkey of the training world (well, next to revolvers, which aren't "fighting handguns" at all).  Everyone loves to bash on it because they're SO EDGY.   ::)    Want to generate page views?  Write up an article bashing revolvers or 1911s and watch the hate mail flow.  None of your arguments are new, since the guns have been around for over a century, but it will still get the clicks.

    Not having met the man, not having trained with him, and admitting to be an utterly mediocre shot my own self, I will say this: if you can't run a 1911 well enough to teach a new shooter to use it, or even a double action revolver, I don't think much of you as a firearms instructor.  If the only guns you can teach effectively are striker-fired double-stacks, or whatever gun your personally prefer, then you either need to make that clear to your students before you take their money or go find something else to do.  If you can't handle a few new shooters on the line with a Beretta 92, 1911, Sig 226, and one weirdo with a GP100, you may be a high-speed, low-drag, door-kicking tactical badass, but you've got no business trying to teach those folks to shoot.

    Having been a badass, a door-kicker, an operator, a winning competition shooter, whatever, none of that automatically means you can teach.  Teaching someone to do something is a separate skill set on top of being able to do it yourself.

    Now, none of this is to say the video is dead wrong.  It's very important to understand the strengths and weaknesses of your gun.  I think, though, perhaps just as important, is not exaggerating the strengths or the weaknesses.  I've been seeing a lot of exaggerating going on lately across the internet.  The thing with the manual safety is what gets me the most.  People make a much bigger deal out of it than it actually is.  As far as training issues go, it's a relatively minor one.

    Anyway, I think the 1911's heyday is past.  I mean, for a gun over a hundred years old, it's still going strong.  It's more popular than ever.  I think part of the problem was market saturation, and the other part is people's tastes have just changed.  For a typical shooter, it might be hard to rationalize the extra couple hundred bucks for a 1911 that holds less bullets than the Springfield XDM he's looking at.  I think a lot of people who buy them will buy them as range toys and never really get all that proficient with them.

    Who knows, though?  Maybe in a few years, it'll come back around, and the 1911 will be rediscovered.  Small arms technology seems to have utterly stagnated at this point, so I don't expect anything really new coming down the pipe anytime soon.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #19 on: September 21, 2015, 07:38:02 AM »
    He's an EXCELLENT firearms Instructor.  You don't know him... But I do.  He's top notch.  He's actually one of the best in the Industry.
    The soft cap - did you not notice he was sitting by a wood burning stove at full boil?  Did you maybe think it might be cold?  No?
    Daniel is an awesome guy.  One of the best guys I know.  He's also a very humble guy. 
    Do not disparage him.

    Not having met the man, not having trained with him, and admitting to be an utterly mediocre shot my own self, I will say this: if you can't run a 1911 well enough to teach a new shooter to use it, or even a double action revolver, I don't think much of you as a firearms instructor.  If the only guns you can teach effectively are striker-fired double-stacks, or whatever gun your personally prefer, then you either need to make that clear to your students before you take their money or go find something else to do.  If you can't handle a few new shooters on the line with a Beretta 92, 1911, Sig 226, and one weirdo with a GP100, you may be a high-speed, low-drag, door-kicking tactical badass, but you've got no business trying to teach those folks to shoot.

    NC said it better than I could have.
    I have talked to several professional, mil, and LEO firearms instructors over the last few months about the topic of teaching the student vs teaching your own skills. There are instructors out there who can analyze a student, figure out how that student learns, then teach in the most effective way for the student to learn the topic. Then there are guys with impressive resumes, who have been there, done that, and have great skills, then opened a school where people pay them to tell them where they've been, what they've done, and show off their own skills, finally giving the students the chance to try to shoot that well. They are not true instructors. They're gurus.
    I agree with NC on this one. This dude may be Brother Theresa of Beretta, but if he can't operate or effectively teach a 1911 safety, he is neither a shootist, nor an instructor.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #20 on: September 21, 2015, 11:29:18 AM »
    You know, fifteen years ago the 1911 was cutting edge.  SERIOUS SHOOTERS were the ones who had a 1911...
    The 1911, the Glock, and the human hand haven't changed in the last fifteen years.  We're just talking about what comes in and out of fashion.
    15 years ago we were in the middle of the AWB.  I was not into guns back then, but from what you say, it seems that shooters were using the 'sour grapes' argument for the guns and mags that were out of their reach.



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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #21 on: September 21, 2015, 11:50:40 AM »
    what I find humorous is this.  As a firearms instructor,  My goal is to teach you how to run what you have. To know what your piece can and cannot do, what you can and cannot do,   not spend your time and money telling you why your choice, or what you can afford, is a POS. 




       


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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #22 on: September 21, 2015, 12:23:16 PM »
    Would I? Probably. But I don't see myself switching from a 9mm anytime soon.

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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #23 on: September 21, 2015, 01:08:44 PM »
    Would I? Probably. But I don't see myself switching from a 9mm anytime soon.

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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #24 on: September 21, 2015, 01:10:43 PM »
    My favorite example of jumping off the 1911 bandwagon came from Hilton Yam.  For years he built very expensive, custom, high-end 1911s. 

    Few years back his apparently had this big epiphany that the 1911 isn't that great after all, and wrote an article swearing off of them.  I think he retired from building them, too.

    So, I was thinking, you took people's money, a lot of their money, then turn around and say "the Glock is actually better"?  That's a little messed up, if you think about it.  You could have bought multiple Glock 21s for the price of one of his 1911s.

    These fads come and go.  Back then, .45ACP was the better cartridge.  Now 9mm is the best of all possible worlds, to listen to the internet, and there's no reason to go for anything more powerful.

    Give it a few years.  I'm sure it'll swing back 'round.
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