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.357 To replace S&W 28? What do I buy.....
« on: July 26, 2016, 09:11:52 pm »
   Well.....I haven't had a chance to really shoot the 28 HARD....I've shot it a lot and cannot trace it's accuracy problem to a specific chamber,etc......I'm not giving up yet but I don't see a change in the future.

  Sooooo.......I'm thinking on what to replace it with.

  I've been on a .357 kick lately, reloading .38's is super cheap, easy and quick, then heavy .38 loads for use, while buying factory .357 for hot stuff (only shoot full .357's occasionally, and when I do it's my CC gun so I don't use handloaded ammo in it).

    I have.....a lot of .357's....I've been acquiring .38's and .357's lately and traded out of most all my semi-auto's except my couple pets.
 
   .357 list:
  2.75" Ruger Security Six snubnose.
  6"  Ruger Security Six.
  4 5/8" Ruger flat top .357.
 .38 list:
  2.5" S&W model 10
  5" S&W model 10
  5" 1851 Uberti
  4" Taurus 82
 
   The S&W was to fill a niche.....I wanted a good all-around outdoors double-action .357 for full-time packing.   My snubnose is my CC weapon and my handloads shoot NOWHERE near POI, while my 6" security six is just a shade long for outdoor use.

     I didn't care about weight, but wanted a 4" (or so) barrel for compactness.  And in fact, the weight was nice for making heavy .38/44 loads feel like pop .38 loads.   

   My main load is a .38/44 setup (Yes I know, don't ever shoot from a .38) so I want a full strength .357 gun.   158 hardcast right at 1050-1100FPS is perfect, and the .357 loads I've tried are a bit dirty and not as accurate as heavy .38/44 loading so.....overlook that, also got a guy to use the online pressure calc and my loads are only running around 28K PSI.


     So....after my long rambling post........what d'yall think?

  I'm really leaning towards getting a 4" Security Six and rounding out that collection since I like them so well.     However I REALLY wanted a full size/BIG frame .357.....and standard GP's just seem clunky.  Admittedly, I have only handled the 6" GP100's.   They just look......off.....

   
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    « Reply #1 on: July 26, 2016, 09:27:14 pm »
    I have a deep, abiding manly love for my 4" GP-100 thus my vote.

    And that last survey option was waaaay out of line. That's just pure Communism and hippy dope smokin' crazedness right there.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 26, 2016, 09:30:47 pm »
    Why not a 4" S&W 686? It's a little lighter than the GP-100 and not as clunky, and it should hold up just fine long-term unless you start running super-hot Magnum loads. And while I've never shot at Match Champion, IMO the Smith's trigger is much nicer than a regular GP-100's. And you can get a seven-shooter version too if you so desire.
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    « Reply #3 on: July 26, 2016, 09:44:05 pm »
    And that last survey option was waaaay out of line. That's just pure Communism and hippy dope smokin' crazedness right there.
    Maybe, but this is my vote.  That is... a lot of magnums.

    Why not a 4" S&W 686?
    But if you must have a new magnum...  This.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 26, 2016, 10:00:13 pm »
    "you've got enough .357's?"

    That's only true if you can provide enough for two Hecatonheires with a penchant for ambidextrous shooting.

    (ie: 400 .357's... http://www.theoi.com/Titan/Hekatonkheires.html)
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    « Reply #5 on: July 26, 2016, 10:09:56 pm »
    Maybe, but this is my vote.  That is... a lot of magnums.
     But if you must have a new magnum...  This.

    Only THREE .357's  :neener   

    And two of those .38's are yours.

        I'd "maybe" think about a 586, but I am not a stainless fan.   Don't like em that way. 

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    « Reply #6 on: July 26, 2016, 10:29:06 pm »
    I really can't decide on this one  :hmm.
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    « Reply #7 on: July 26, 2016, 10:40:35 pm »
    I am an unrepentant fan of the S&W revolvers and, to me, a 686P with 3" (or 4" or 6") barrel is about the perfect revolver.  That said, I have two Security Sixes and they are, to my way of thinking, the best revolver Ruger ever made.  It is too bad Ruger came too late to the game to establish itself before police departments succumbed to the siren call of the wonder nines.

    BTW, I load my 38/44 sized load in 357 cases. I am pretty sure the K frames could take it but -- well -- I have friends and family that might not understand the difference.
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    « Reply #8 on: July 26, 2016, 10:49:53 pm »
        I'd "maybe" think about a 586, but I am not a stainless fan.   Don't like em that way. 

    I'll just leave this here...

    http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_802568_-1_757903_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y



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    « Reply #9 on: July 26, 2016, 10:52:55 pm »
    I'd go GP100.   I really need to add one of those to the collection some day.   
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    « Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 10:54:46 pm »
    I'd go GP100.   I really need to add one of those to the collection some day.

    Me too, but I'm concerned if I can carry it everyday. That's what's been keeping me from getting one.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 11:04:51 pm »
    I carry the SP101 most days (if I'm not at work).    The GP100 is a little bigger though.   
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    « Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 11:29:36 pm »
    I have a deep, abiding manly love for my 4" GP-100 thus my vote.

    And that last survey option was waaaay out of line. That's just pure Communism and hippy dope smokin' crazedness right there.

    I carry the SP101 most days (if I'm not at work).    The GP100 is a little bigger though.   

    I believe Sarge carries his frequently when off duty. So, that's pretty awesome.

    Maybe there's hope for us  ;).

    Then again, I really want a new production Smith and Wesson model 67 too. I have a wheel gun addiction :eh.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #13 on: July 27, 2016, 01:37:36 am »
    Well, if you are pleased with the way the Security Six handles and shoots its hard to argue against it.  They are hell for strong, can be taken completely apart for cleaning without tools and are slightly less massive than the GP 100 .   The GP 100 Match Champion has a really nice trigger for an out of the box Ruger but if you are looking for a blued gun they are off the list.  All of the Rugers seem to thrive on a diet of heavy loads and parts are plentiful for either repairs or alterations.   My favorite handgun frame for heavy recoiling loads is the Ruger Bisley style grip so if you run across a Blackhawk or a Vaquero with that frame you might ought to pick it up and see how it feels.   :thumbup1

    Nothing wrong with S&W's - I own several - including a couple of Model 28's but they are a bit clunky for everyday packing.  My favorite N frame has .45 caliber holes drilled in it these days.   :cool   I like the K frames for packing but they won't hold up to a steady diet of hot .357's so those are carried more than they are shot.  L frames are a logical compromise but they too get a bit clunky and for the same money I could have a Ruger with a spare set of grips, a holster and some practice ammo. 

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    « Reply #14 on: July 27, 2016, 02:30:35 am »
    Well, if you are pleased with the way the Security Six handles and shoots its hard to argue against it.  They are hell for strong, can be taken completely apart for cleaning without tools and are slightly less massive than the GP 100 .   The GP 100 Match Champion has a really nice trigger for an out of the box Ruger but if you are looking for a blued gun they are off the list.  All of the Rugers seem to thrive on a diet of heavy loads and parts are plentiful for either repairs or alterations.   My favorite handgun frame for heavy recoiling loads is the Ruger Bisley style grip so if you run across a Blackhawk or a Vaquero with that frame you might ought to pick it up and see how it feels.   :thumbup1

    Nothing wrong with S&W's - I own several - including a couple of Model 28's but they are a bit clunky for everyday packing.  My favorite N frame has .45 caliber holes drilled in it these days.   :cool   I like the K frames for packing but they won't hold up to a steady diet of hot .357's so those are carried more than they are shot.  L frames are a logical compromise but they too get a bit clunky and for the same money I could have a Ruger with a spare set of grips, a holster and some practice ammo.

    This being said, if you were forced to carry a wheel gun by Ruger or Smith that was a 6 or more shot, picking the Smith in L or N frame over the Ruger GP-100 would be the next logical step  :cool.

    Nothing wrong with the j frames or the SP101, but for the "big wheelguns" I think Smith makes the best concealable ones out of the two. They are afterall, sleeker and lighter.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #16 on: July 27, 2016, 04:26:13 pm »
    I sometimes carry my GP-100, just for something different.  It has the standard Wood/Rubber grips.  It has been my preferred wheelgun for several years now.  I will admit to being biased away from S&W. ( Having one undergo a"Catastrophic Self-Disassembly" in your hand tends to leave memories.)
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    « Reply #17 on: July 27, 2016, 05:03:40 pm »
    This being said, if you were forced to carry a wheel gun by Ruger or Smith that was a 6 or more shot, picking the Smith in L or N frame over the Ruger GP-100 would be the next logical step  :cool.

    Nothing wrong with the j frames or the SP101, but for the "big wheelguns" I think Smith makes the best concealable ones out of the two. They are afterall, sleeker and lighter.
    Actually, you aren't "forced" to carry either one.  There a good many pristine, used Dan Wesson revolvers still circulating around out there as well as the very good Colt Trooper MkIII .   Either of those guns would serve you well in .357 magnum - you just aren't going to get the level of factory support you would with Ruger or S&W .    I'm not sure I see the wisdom in picking the S&W revolver over one of the Rugers at this point.  True, the L frame is a bit smaller and lighter than the GP 100 and the N frame is marginally so but if you toss the Security Six into the mix it is going win that battle in terms of both size and longevity.  Now, when buying a wheelgun, "logic" is admittedly in the mind of the person making the choice but that's the way I see it.   ;)
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    « Reply #18 on: July 27, 2016, 05:48:51 pm »
    Actually, you aren't "forced" to carry either one.  There a good many pristine, used Dan Wesson revolvers still circulating around out there as well as the very good Colt Trooper MkIII .   Either of those guns would serve you well in .357 magnum - you just aren't going to get the level of factory support you would with Ruger or S&W .    I'm not sure I see the wisdom in picking the S&W revolver over one of the Rugers at this point.  True, the L frame is a bit smaller and lighter than the GP 100 and the N frame is marginally so but if you toss the Security Six into the mix it is going win that battle in terms of both size and longevity.  Now, when buying a wheelgun, "logic" is admittedly in the mind of the person making the choice but that's the way I see it.   ;)

    I meant current production NIB options that are available at present  :scrutiny. Of course throwing the security and speed six in there will mess things up  :neener. We are comparing the SP101 and Ruger GP100 to the 686 and 69 etc. Picking specific models from the used market can be time consuming and unreliable, at least in my experience.

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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #19 on: July 27, 2016, 05:53:28 pm »
    I meant current production NIB options that are available at present  :scrutiny. Of course throwing the security and speed six in there will mess things up  :neener. We are comparing the SP101 and Ruger GP100 to the 686 and 69 etc. Picking specific models from the used market can be time consuming and unreliable, at least in my experience.


    Well, as per the OP, the Security Six was in the mix as one of the potential choices since he already owns revolver from that series and would consider acquiring another to "round out the collection" .  .  .   :shrug   There are certainly plenty of them out there for sale and given the fact that they seem immune to breakage under normal circumstances I'd say it would be one of the top choices - especially if you already have an affinity for them.   
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    « Reply #20 on: July 27, 2016, 06:02:40 pm »
    Well, as per the OP, the Security Six was in the mix as one of the potential choices since he already owns revolver from that series and would consider acquiring another to "round out the collection" .  .  .   :shrug .

    Ok, fine. Considering the OP's parameters, I understand your choice. That being said, I feel there is more leg work required when we start picking specific models from the used market. But, it's not my choice not my gun, and if I could have one right now, I wouldn't mind a security six for daily carry myself.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #21 on: July 27, 2016, 06:27:37 pm »
    Fair enough.   :cool    This kind of dovetails with our ongoing discussion of the "Holy grail" .357 revolver .     I think the main idea is have at least one - maybe more.    :thumbup1
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    « Reply #22 on: July 27, 2016, 06:45:38 pm »
    thats enough .357's.

    it's time to get a .44, I suggest a cLassic S&W 29, or maybe a 629 if you want something newer.
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    « Reply #23 on: July 27, 2016, 07:36:56 pm »
    Fair enough.   :cool    This kind of dovetails with our ongoing discussion of the "Holy grail" .357 revolver .     I think the main idea is have at least one - maybe more.    :thumbup1

    And then, like now , I don't recall disagreement then either  :cool. Besides, you probably have some old fish tricks up your sleeve when it comes to procuring old revolvers that I simply haven't learnt yet  :neener.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #24 on: July 27, 2016, 07:38:00 pm »
    thats enough .357's.

    it's time to get a .44, I suggest a cLassic S&W 29, or maybe a 629 if you want something newer.

    Model 69 for carry!  :cool
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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