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Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« on: July 11, 2014, 01:56:20 AM »
Okay here is the deal.  I have been thinking about a beater 10/22 as a project gun, upgrade platform, kid gun ect, and then
 today while cleaning up a pile of garbage in front of an old city building, I find three .22lr rifles.  Two are Mossberg 702 "Plinksters", and one wood stock stainless barrel 10/22.  One of the Mossberg's stocks is broken and they are froze up solid, not sure I even want to bother with them.  I think they are going to get cut up with a band saw and thrown in the dump (unless some one wants a plastic "Plinkster" stock). 

Now the Rugar, the action works, safety is frozen, trigger is broken off, and the sights are broken off the barrel.  Also the barrel wedge? thingy is rusted all to hell and I got impatient and stripped one of the hex head bolts trying to get the barrel off the action. I brought it home, after an okay by the local VPSO, and am trying to get it all tore down to figure out what I need to replace.  Probably everything.

I have never tore one apart, watched a friend do it twice though, and have not looked at all the aftermarket stuff, other than to notice that it looks like you can basically build a whole gun from the aftermarket.  Who's parts should I be looking at?  Any brands/sellers to stay away from?  I am thinking lightweight, cut down stock for the kid, after he shows he can handle owning a semi-auto.  Or maybe a heavier scoped target rifle for me.  Not looking to break the bank, probably need to keep this on the cheaper side.

Any suggestions/advice welcomed. 

I did not take pic and probably won't so.  I thought about before and after pics after looking for the easy outs.   :facepalm
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2014, 02:16:08 AM »
I'd just replace the whole trigger group with one of those Volquartsen units.   The factory ones are kind of garbage anyway, and the stock bolt release is a pain in the ass.  You might consider replacing the extractor too.   

If the barrel is decent, you can keep that. Cheap Hogue stock, a rail, and a $50 scope and you are good to go. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2014, 10:04:51 AM »
I'll see if MJElsik can chime in here. He built up a super nice target rifle and he's a bargain hunter, so he took the time to figure out where to get the deals.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2014, 10:13:04 AM »
Actually if you want to save some money,  I think I still have the stock trigger unit from mine.   I replaced it with a Volquartsen a few years ago.    I could send it to you if you pay shipping.  I have a spare laminate stock I could sell you cheap too,  but it is for the heavy barrel target version.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2014, 11:09:21 AM »
I built my 10/22 from KIDD.  Fantastic stuff.  I love the trigger, but you may not want to spend that much on this nice high quality trigger.

http://www.coolguyguns.com/

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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2014, 01:34:49 PM »
I'd get a new factory trigger housing and drop in a Volquartsen hammer and sear. You'll get a nice trigger and save yourself a couple hundred bucks.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2014, 10:37:08 PM »
Actually if you want to save some money,  I think I still have the stock trigger unit from mine.   I replaced it with a Volquartsen a few years ago.    I could send it to you if you pay shipping.  I have a spare laminate stock I could sell you cheap too,  but it is for the heavy barrel target version.
I'd just replace the whole trigger group with one of those Volquartsen units.   The factory ones are kind of garbage anyway, and the stock bolt release is a pain in the ass.  You might consider replacing the extractor too.   

If the barrel is decent, you can keep that. Cheap Hogue stock, a rail, and a $50 scope and you are good to go. 

Thanks I will send you a pm to talk about shipping.  I am thinking about a carbon fiber barrel to cut weight and I think that they are all heavy barrel profile.   I got a new red dot for my .22 pistol so will likely put one of my old one's on this rifle.  I think that I have the rail somewhere in my stuff that came with my 10/22.   

I'd get a new factory trigger housing and drop in a Volquartsen hammer and sear. You'll get a nice trigger and save yourself a couple hundred bucks.

This is a great idea.  I just need the trigger for sure, but if ksuguy and I can come to an agreement and if it is what I need then I might be good to go.  I will probably need two sets, just as easy to upgrade mine at the same time.

I built my 10/22 from KIDD.  Fantastic stuff.  I love the trigger, but you may not want to spend that much on this nice high quality trigger.

http://www.coolguyguns.com/


Steve, I would love to put one of these in MY 10/22, but not sure I want to spend that much money right now.  I have way over spent my gun budget the last couple of months.

I think the stock is okay, might try thinning and cutting it down to reduce weight and length.  The kid is still pretty rough with things so not looking to make it real fancy.  A Houge stock might be an easier way to cut weight but not so easy to cut to length. 

I have changed my mind about pictures so will reassemble and post some later.  Never did find the ez-outs, so barrel removal might have to wait till I get back from town.

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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2014, 12:03:33 AM »
I got the pics and took a look at the barrel.  I think that the barrel is likely shot.  I sprayed it down with PB blaster and will see how much pitting is left when the rust is cleaned out.  Might have to buy some Kroil while I am in town.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2014, 11:53:18 AM »
BLUF: I would strip the reciever (10 mins tons of youtube vids) blow it off with brake cleaner and build up a rifle of your choice. This takes pretty basic tools to do. Easier than an AR build. I am a trigger snob, so my rifles have Timney, Jewell, or KiDD in them. I recommend a complete trigger ASSY for your KIDD because I am Texas biased, and KIDD is up there with Jewell in feel and break.

Well, so I will tell a little backstory on my 10/22 really quick...

I built a PLR rifle off a 700p back before I started reloading a few years back, and my wife decided she wanted to learn how to shoot. Rather than buy 1k rounds of .308 ammo and burning out the wife's shoulder, or my rifle's barrel life, I decided to build a sub moa capable .22. I had chosen the Ruger 10/22 platform because of simplicity, and the fact that I already knew about KIDD/cool guy guns out of Texas. I took an old 10/22 basically completely gutted out the reciever, cleaned and sold all the ruger parts. I built my rifle up from that with ALL KIDD parts excluding the stock. I cannot remember what it ran me back then for all parts, but I purchased a bolt, buffer, cocking assy, 20" bbl, single stage trigger(1lb). I pieced it all together in a Boyd's Tacticool stock, because that afforded the same ergonomics as my .308. Now, your looking about about $480 plush shipping for the parts, and I believe the stock runs about $100.

It was a perfect excuse to add another fine rifle to my collection AND teach the wife how to shoot without wear and tear on my bolt gun.

Pictured is my 308 and the trainer rifle on the range with some friends.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 03:18:18 AM »
That's the one I was talking about. I've shot that rifle against little steel swingers at 100yd, and it's a tack driver.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2014, 11:17:29 PM »
I like that rifle and would like to build one like it. 

For right now I will probably build it for the Kiddo.  I am most likely going with a lightweight barrel, a stock or slightly improved trigger, and just customize the old wood stock.   I need to get some brake cleaner, synthetic steel wool, ez outs, tung oil and maybe an impact screwdriver when I am in town.  When I get the barrel off I can clean it up and decide if it is salvageable or not. 

If the budget allows this winter I will get a better/heavier barrel for my 10/22, and do a trigger upgrade.  I really like the look of those Kidd triggers.  I will look for another rail as I might want to put a red dot on both rifles. 

I am not really a fan of teaching any one, let alone kids, to shoot with a semi-auto.  But I don't want to cut down a stock that might be harder to replace.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2014, 12:48:21 AM »
Well, I already had a Marlin 917v, but at the time 22LR was much cheaper to shoot, and I didn't want to change anything on that rifle configuration. Semi-Single I would say is operator pref, as long as the shooting fundamentals are properly taught and exercised, since it has no effect on external ballistics.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2014, 01:44:59 PM »
Well, I already had a Marlin 917v, but at the time 22LR was much cheaper to shoot, and I didn't want to change anything on that rifle configuration. Semi-Single I would say is operator pref, as long as the shooting fundamentals are properly taught and exercised, since it has no effect on external ballistics.

I agree, I find it easier to get some people to slow down and look at the sights when they have to load each round individually.  I would say kids, but have seen "OH I'm just going to spray and pray" from all types, ages and genders of newbie shooters. 
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2014, 04:59:24 PM »
It's also easier to keep their attention with reactive targets such as stood up 12ga hulls, or 1" steel swingers at various distances greater than 100 for the .22LR. Much cooler now than when I was a kid shooting at a piece of paper that didn't move.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2014, 10:27:52 PM »
I agree. I acquired some steel, and plan to build some swingers. Really like the self healing balls as well. Much better than chasing pop cans.

Build is kinda on hold while waiting on parts and tools. I need to order a new barrel hold on block and screws. and waits untilI get the easy outs so I don't screw up another screw. Most of the time I don't miss a store, except when I want to work on a project, and don't have all the things I need.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2014, 09:52:04 AM »
I will send the stock and trigger parts out on Saturday.   Unfortunately, I am at work when the post office is open during the week.  It is always good to see a junker gun get restored into a functional firearm.
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2014, 05:47:27 PM »
Okay Thanks.  Check should have gone out on today's plane.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2014, 10:58:28 PM »
Well I found Volquartsen parts, as well as others including Kidd, on Amazon so I have bought a extractor kit, and a match hammer and sear for my rifle.  Same price as Brownell's only with Prime, so no shipping.  Kid will have to suffer with a stock trigger. >:D  I could not find V blocks and barrel screws on Amazon so they are in my Brownell's cart along with a couple of light weight target barrels.  I will likely decide on a barrel tonight or tomorrow.  New barrel will likely go on my rifle and into my new stock from Ksuguy.  My stock barrel will then go on kid rifle.   

On barrels I am looking at one of Tactile solutions aluminum fluted barrels, and a Beyer ultralight target barrel.  Any one have any experience with either of these?  I am not looking for a three pound barrel to put on my rifle and am kinda wanting to keep it under $200.  Thanks
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2014, 12:24:55 AM »
My 10/22 is all KIDD.
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2014, 02:37:19 AM »
After looking a parts all weekend and deciding to wait until after vacation to do any more, I went out and cut down and thinned the old stock tonight.  Note to all others, you need a router or at least some chisels to do this right.  I hacked it off with a jigsaw free hand and inlet the butt cap with a utility knife.  So it will need some more finishing with wood putty to not have gaps, but it is now thinner and about 3/4" shorter.   I used my 10/22 stock for comparison in the pictures.  I had not realized how crude the 10/22 stock is until tonight.  I might do a similar treatment to thin my other stock depending on what I decide to do ultimately.

Forgot to mention that a random orbital sander with 40 grit will reshape softwood really nicely.  If the stock is made out of a hardwood to is a really soft hardwood.  Not pine or spruce, but more like some of the very fast growing tropical "hardwoods".  Not at hard like Maple, or Walnut, not that I expect that type of wood in a 10/22 at its price point.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2014, 08:25:01 AM »
I think the factory stocks are Birch or something like that. 
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2014, 01:34:11 PM »
I got to handle a 10/22 youth model, $253 at Wally world in Fairbanks.  Brownells has this stock for $85, if some one else is thinking about doing a similar project but just wants the gun not a project, go one of these routes.  I have a lot more work on the stock to get as much wood off as Ruger has with the youth stock.

We got to our gun storage, and the Chipmunk is broken down to be mailed out to us at home.   This is the best option for our kid right now.

I will continue on with this project because I want to do it, especially the upgrades to mine.  When I get back home all the parts to do mine should be waiting so pics and updates will continue as I work on the project.

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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2014, 04:18:11 PM »
Did the stock and trigger group get there?   
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2014, 09:44:59 PM »
I will get home Friday.  I expect that I will have several boxes of gun stuff when I arrive.  I will let you know.
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Re: Rebuilding/building a 10/22
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2014, 05:27:48 PM »
I am so pissed right now.  Due to travel fatigue I opened my Brownells box today and found that my barrel retaining v blocks are on back order. 

I ordered these items while on vacation the last day I had internet access.  My confirmation email said in stock, I did not read the packing and shipping emails except to see they were there, due to family commitments so did not know they were backordered until I opened the box and could not find them. :banghead

Oh well hoping the box with the chipmunk gets here in time to take the Kiddo out shooting this weekend. 
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