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Rebluing
« on: September 18, 2014, 06:21:40 PM »
Hey guys

I'm new to this forum, I am an amateur gunsmith who enjoys restoring old, unloved guns.

I was wondering if there were anyone else here that does hot salts bluing. I would enjoy comparing notes and possibly learning a new trick or two
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2014, 09:54:04 AM »
I have done park and cerakote, but never hot salts.  Been thinking about cooking up a batch and giving it a shot though.
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2014, 10:56:18 AM »
I have done park and cerakote, but never hot salts.  Been thinking about cooking up a batch and giving it a shot though.

I tried doing some Manganese parkerizing, didn't have much success, I need to experiment some more. I have also played with rust bluing, heat bluing and am now doing Nitre bluing



My next endeavor is to try anodizing

here is how I do Hot Salts Bluing

http://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-i-blue-guns.html


I sometimes have trouble getting the finish to be perfect despite being meticulous about my prep work. I think I need to change out my gas heating element, I am thinking the solution may be getting too hot on one end?
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2014, 11:11:02 AM »
I found the manganese park to be reasonably forgiving.  Sandblast, acetone, boil and look for tell-tale rainbow in the water that indicates some lingering oil/greese.  If absent, park tank until it stops fizzing.

I then shot my with cerakote and baked it.  But the park was nice and even.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2014, 11:15:42 AM »
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2014, 11:43:08 PM »
Here are some of the guns I have restored the finish on

This Winchester model 1906 was used for 50 years as a rodent gun at a feed store, my Father got it from a friend and wanted to restore it






more can be seen here: http://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/201...n-project.html

This poor Ruger was left for year(s) in the back of a Jeep that was parked out in the weather. The gun was thought to be junk, but thanks to someone using grease as a lube and a thoroughly leaded bore, the damage was only cosmetic






you can see the full write up here: http://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/201...loved-gun.html

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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2014, 11:45:48 PM »
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2014, 11:48:02 PM »
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2014, 11:56:36 PM »










This was a brand new in the box Marlin 1894 Cowboy .357. The original buyer had put the gun away when it was a humid day or when the surface was wet, the styrofoam box created some nasty cancer



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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2014, 11:01:28 AM »
Not bad work.  I like it.
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2015, 07:49:06 PM »
It's a good start. I'd be happy to chat with you about it any time.

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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2015, 10:56:41 AM »
It's a good start. I'd be happy to chat with you about it any time.

So where do you get your bluing salts? Have you ever had problems with the bluing not covering some areas? Ever have a contaminated bath?
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2015, 11:41:31 AM »
Another project, this one was purchased at a yard sale for $40, it is a 1956 vintage Remington model 58







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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2015, 06:27:58 PM »
Inexpensive alternate source of blueing salts - Stump Remover.

http://beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/58
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Re: Rebluing
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2015, 10:25:01 AM »
Inexpensive alternate source of blueing salts - Stump Remover.

http://beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/58

That is actually nitre blueing, not hot salts bluing. The difference is nitre bluing is a form of heat bluing and the color is due to the hardening of the steel (like a set of chrome headers on a V-8 or a motorcycle). The heat in nitre bluing gets to 570-600 degrees, hot salts bluing is about 1/2 that (270-290 degrees)

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2015, 11:56:26 AM »
As someone who has little experience in restoring anything firearm related, the pictures of your work are like magic. I don't understand how you can bring so much pitting and rust "back from the dead" leaving the guns with such lustre and looking new again.
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2015, 01:33:00 PM »
It is as much art as it is science, young padawan.    :cool
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2015, 07:16:02 PM »
another one saved

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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2015, 09:42:11 PM »
Beautiful.   :cool
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2015, 07:25:10 PM »
Here is another one I blued a couple of years ago, it started out black and slowly turned a plum color (due to the make up of the steel in the frame).



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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2015, 08:24:31 PM »
Here is another one I blued a couple of years ago, it started out black and slowly turned a plum color (due to the make up of the steel in the frame).





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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2015, 09:04:21 PM »
Wow - that's absolutely gorgeous.

I'm curious to know how the make up of the steel affects the bluing - can you predict the final colour from the grade of the steel? Presumably it's one of the additives having that effect - the ~0.02% manganese or whatever random elements turn up in steel formulations in tiny amounts.

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2015, 09:46:28 PM »
That turned out beautifully, I am not jealous of your polishing time, but the skill.
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2015, 12:32:53 AM »
Wow - that's absolutely gorgeous.

I'm curious to know how the make up of the steel affects the bluing - can you predict the final colour from the grade of the steel? Presumably it's one of the additives having that effect - the ~0.02% manganese or whatever random elements turn up in steel formulations in tiny amounts.

I have heard different things, one person says its Moybdenum others say silicon, some say its the chromium.....I'm not sure what it is, but Dan Wessons and others have suffered the same fate.

You cab see that only the main frame and grip frame have turned plum. The barrel is a nice black and they were attached to each other when I blued it.
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2015, 05:19:22 PM »
I have heard different things, one person says its Moybdenum others say silicon, some say its the chromium.....I'm not sure what it is, but Dan Wessons and others have suffered the same fate.

You cab see that only the main frame and grip frame have turned plum. The barrel is a nice black and they were attached to each other when I blued it.

It might be interesting to grab some steel samples to blue and record the effects. 
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