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Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2014, 11:31:10 pm »
Quote from: THE NORSEMAN on October 24, 2014, 10:37:06 pm
My opinion, for what it's worth-

If you want to throw a big blanket over it, and then just fill in all the details underneath with volumes of all the details that cause and effect would bring across America's social spectrum?

We are at the tipping point of a 50/50 ratio of those who believe in self-sufficiency vs. those who want to be taken care of, and the pendulum is swinging the wrong way....

And the kicker is, most of the politicians we've elected BELIEVE that they can can take care of us better than we can.

Uh . . . yeah.  (Good bring-back to original topic, BTW.)

Who can look at how far we've descended and not see back-to-the-trenches again?
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #51 on: October 25, 2014, 12:03:19 am »
    Quote from: THE NORSEMAN on October 24, 2014, 10:37:06 pm
    And the kicker is, most of the politicians we've elected BELIEVE that they can can take care of us better than we can.

    Respectfully, I disagree. The kicker, to me anyway, is that a good chunk of the population seems to honestly believe that most of the politicians we've elected, or at least the ones from their party, can take better care of them than they can.

    I see this most in my generation, but increasingly in the older population as well. My generation I get, since mine is what I've come to call the Trophy Generation: we're the ones who got trophies just for showing up, even if we didn't actually do anything to deserve them.  We learned from an early age that even if we did jack diddly squat, we would still be rewarded/taken care of, be it by our parents, teachers, coaches, whoever. Somebody would always be there to make sure we got what we "deserved."

    It's the older generations that I don't understand where that mentality came from. Especially the senior citizens, specifically the ones who were children during the depression and/or WWII, back when hard work and self reliance were absolutely necessary if you planned on having food on the table at your next meal. I thought that the values you picked up as a child would stay with you your entire life. Apparently I was mistaken.
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #52 on: October 25, 2014, 12:14:14 am »
    Unless you've been hanging out with a lot of octogenarians lately you're probably not seeing as many of those people as you think.

    Not that old people can't have crappy attitudes but folks who lived through the depression or were children during WWII have children of their own that are in their sixties or seventies.  Or maybe you're just unfortunate enough to have encountered the ones who didn't pick up those values as children.   :hmm
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #53 on: October 25, 2014, 12:22:13 am »
    Disagree if you like, but the base mentality of any politician of significance almost always has a  personality trait that leans that way, otherwise they wouldn't have run for office in the first place.    A Statesman?  He recognizes that internal tendency, and tempers it with character and integrity.

    Cases in point on the taken care of/want left alone mess-

    Every night, at my part time job, I run EBT(Electronic Benefits Transfer) card after EBT card through the till so those on welfare can use their SNAP(Supplumental Nutrition Assistance Program) money.......  night after night, week in, week out.  And most are buying items that leave the word "nutrition" as a laughable afterthought.   It gets  O.L.D.

    I have family, who hard working and not asking for it, but because they have to file taxes, receive E.I.C.(Earned Income Credit) every year....

    The EBT thing?  I personally know several women with multiple children who have shacked up with a sugar daddy, but will never marry.  Why?  Because sugar daddy collects the housing assistance $, and she still gets money put in her EBT account every month......  Marry him?  NOT ON YOUR LIFE.  His income would shut the welfare spigot off poste haste. 

    IF those two examples were the exception, that'd be one thing, but they are becoming the norm.  Folks sense that.  They know the farmer is about to kill the goose, and they wonder where they'll end up when it finally happens. 
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #54 on: October 25, 2014, 12:27:08 am »
    Quote from: Raptor on October 25, 2014, 12:03:19 am
    Respectfully, I disagree. The kicker, to me anyway, is that a good chunk of the population seems to honestly believe that most of the politicians we've elected, or at least the ones from their party, can take better care of them than they can.

    I see this most in my generation, but increasingly in the older population as well. My generation I get, since mine is what I've come to call the Trophy Generation: we're the ones who got trophies just for showing up, even if we didn't actually do anything to deserve them.  We learned from an early age that even if we did jack diddly squat, we would still be rewarded/taken care of, be it by our parents, teachers, coaches, whoever. Somebody would always be there to make sure we got what we "deserved."

    It's the older generations that I don't understand where that mentality came from. Especially the senior citizens, specifically the ones who were children during the depression and/or WWII, back when hard work and self reliance were absolutely necessary if you planned on having food on the table at your next meal. I thought that the values you picked up as a child would stay with you your entire life. Apparently I was mistaken.


    You may have skipped a generation in there somewhere.  My Dad was from that Depression era that had to scramble just to stay afloat.  He had that work ethic that the next generation (mine) mostly didn't appreciate and worked hard at ignoring.  I see the generation after that hard-scrabble bunch as the one that holds sway now -- the one that got all the benefit of all that hard work and sacrifice and trashed it all for some pie-in-the-sky utopian vision that's no more than a rehash of the same old same-old.  The generation that never had to pay a price for all it got, and appreciated not much of anything.  Some of us were lucky enough to get slapped in the face with harsh reality and work our way out of the haze to some small degree.  We're still left with learning the lessons of basic worldly survival all over again.

    Sad in its own way, as we could have -- and should have, if we'd ever really looked at the history that was there to see -- learned and not had to repeat.  Nothing new under the sun, and all that.
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #55 on: October 25, 2014, 12:37:52 am »
    I do deal with a fair amount of seniors at work (supermarket), but upon further reflection, it could be more the area that I live and work in. This area's always been relatively wealthy, so I'm guessing either the Depression-era lessons weren't really needed out here, or else the prevalent attitudes have rubbed off on the transplants who did pick up on those lessons.
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #56 on: October 25, 2014, 12:46:59 am »
    I would suggest everyone interested in this thread read a book - http://www.amazon.com/The-Millionaire-Next-Door-Surprising/dp/1589795474  . 

    I'm serious.  It's not a book on how to become the millionaire next door per se, as much as it is a study behind the psychology on how those who become wealthy do it, as well as going into quite a bit of detail on the subject of inter-generational wealth transfer and it effects on society.  Quite an eye opener.
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #57 on: October 25, 2014, 12:54:38 am »
    I'm betting you could not find a single person in the entire "Occupy Wall Street" rabble that ever read a page of that book. 
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #58 on: October 25, 2014, 01:01:30 am »
    Quote from: coelacanth on October 25, 2014, 12:54:38 am
    I'm betting you could not find a single person in the entire "Occupy Wall Street" rabble that ever read a page of that book. 

    Assuming they actually read.  Do they?
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #59 on: October 25, 2014, 01:05:59 am »
    Couldn't prove it by me.    :cool
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    Re: Serious question: people in worse moods?
    « Reply #60 on: October 25, 2014, 01:59:29 am »
    Quote from: THE NORSEMAN on October 25, 2014, 12:22:13 am
    They know the farmer is about to kill the goose, and they wonder where they'll end up when it finally happens. 

    That is disturbing -- in a good way -- and very well said.
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