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Re: Obama's "Truth Teams"?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 10:06:35 AM »
Well, when you've got stuff like this being thrown around...  :shrug

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/feb/13/wayne-lapierre/nra-leader-says-barack-obama-endorsed-total-ban-ha/

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Has Obama’s presidential administration shown sympathy for banning handguns?

 In 2009, FactCheck.org said, "We’ve seen little or no evidence that the Obama administration is doing much to regulate guns or gun ownership."

 In 2010, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence gave the president a report card of seven F’s for his first year in office, including on "standing up the to the gun lobby."



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Re: Obama's "Truth Teams"?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 01:19:06 PM »
Yeah, I believe the NRA.
(I don't say that all too often)

But without a 3rd term to vie for I see no reason Comrade Zero wouldn't push for the whole enchilada.
I'm honestly just hoping we get to have an election this year. 
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Re: Obama's "Truth Teams"?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 01:23:13 PM »
I'm honestly just hoping we get to have an election this year. 

You really think that? 

Obama's a Chicago machine product.  Not Stalin or Hussein.
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Re: Obama's "Truth Teams"?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 03:16:52 PM »
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/

An eye opening read through.

Yes, Obama has some statements caught on this page as well.  But not nearly as many as the current Republican crop (this may simply be to a high signal-to-noise ratio from the Republican primary contenders).

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Re: Obama's "Truth Teams"?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 04:27:57 PM »
mwcoleburn :  :rotfl

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Re: Obama's "Truth Teams"?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 04:36:34 PM »
There's ONE GLARING reason why no President - even the most "leftist" of them - will ever create a total ban on weapons.

There's simply too much money in lobbying for it.  You think Eric Holder's going to deny himself power and prestige in Washington back rooms by simply ending the political debate?

Oh, and Barry wrote a couple of best-sellers because he's a communist, not to make a couple million in book sales.   :scrutiny

He might horribly s___ty for business, but no real Commie eats at posh restaurants and has a sweet estate in Hawaii. 

And he can be voted out. 

Some of these cries of tyranny and iron-fistery just raise the same stink on my bulls___ meter as equations of G.W. Bush being Hitler and the crappiest businessman in the world.

My favorite anti-Bushism?  "He ran a baseball team and traded away Sammy Sosa."

Sammy Sosa is the world's biggest egomaniac, who could have won twice as many games with line drives rather than striking out to make prima-donna once in a while home-runs. 

 :facepalm

As for the "Truth teams" - he's trying to cover his ass against "swift-boating" akin to what gelded John Kerry.

And they're called "Truth teams" because "CREEP" - committee to re-elect the President - was already taken.   :rotfl
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Re: Obama's "Truth Teams"?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 05:06:23 PM »
And they're called "Truth teams" because "CREEP" - committee to re-elect the President - was already taken.   :rotfl

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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 08:02:51 PM »
There's ONE GLARING reason why no President - even the most "leftist" of them - will ever create a total ban on weapons.

There's simply too much money in lobbying for it.  You think Eric Holder's going to deny himself power and prestige in Washington back rooms by simply ending the political debate?

Oh, and Barry wrote a couple of best-sellers because he's a communist, not to make a couple million in book sales.   :scrutiny

He might horribly s___ty for business, but no real Commie eats at posh restaurants and has a sweet estate in Hawaii. 

And he can be voted out. 

Some of these cries of tyranny and iron-fistery just raise the same stink on my bulls___ meter as equations of G.W. Bush being Hitler and the crappiest businessman in the world.

My favorite anti-Bushism?  "He ran a baseball team and traded away Sammy Sosa."

Sammy Sosa is the world's biggest egomaniac, who could have won twice as many games with line drives rather than striking out to make prima-donna once in a while home-runs. 

 :facepalm

As for the "Truth teams" - he's trying to cover his ass against "swift-boating" akin to what gelded John Kerry.

And they're called "Truth teams" because "CREEP" - committee to re-elect the President - was already taken.   :rotfl
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You're kidding.
Obama's not a communist because he wrote "bestsellers?"  Marx & Engels wrote a book and they WERE bona fide commies.
I don't think they will get total gun confiscation done because it will never be possible.
Plenty of earlier political leaders have tried and have to one degree or another succeeded in grabbing all the guns.
Remember, gun control is REALLY about people control, not guns. 
Obama has not tried anything in round one.....if he gets round two .... who knows? :scrutiny
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 08:30:54 PM »
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You're kidding.
Obama's not a communist because he wrote "bestsellers?"  Marx & Engels wrote a book and they WERE bona fide commies.
I don't think they will get total gun confiscation done because it will never be possible.
Plenty of earlier political leaders have tried and have to one degree or another succeeded in grabbing all the guns.
Remember, gun control is REALLY about people control, not guns. 
Obama has not tried anything in round one.....if he gets round two .... who knows? :scrutiny


No.  Obama didn't write best sellers.  He made money-making cash cows to make certain he's fat and high on the hog.

I didn't see no summer mansion for Marx or Engels.  I didn't see them eating at the Pump Room.  I didn't see the best of the 19th Century equivalent of Mo-Town performing for those commies.

Obama likes money.  That's why you get into Chicago politics.  If you can't see that, you've never paid attention to the news from Crook County.  :bash
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 09:49:32 PM »
Marx & Engels wrote a book and they WERE bona fide commies.

Publishing, quite simply, wasn't the industry in 1848 then that it is now.

Besides, the book was written as a commission... probably the only money they ever saw from it.

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 11:57:01 PM »
No.  Obama didn't write best sellers.  He made money-making cash cows to make certain he's fat and high on the hog.

I didn't see no summer mansion for Marx or Engels.  I didn't see them eating at the Pump Room.  I didn't see the best of the 19th Century equivalent of Mo-Town performing for those commies.

Obama likes money.  That's why you get into Chicago politics.  If you can't see that, you've never paid attention to the news from Crook County.  :bash


Plenty of communist leaders had their nice expensive dachas on the Black Sea while the average Soviet waited in long lines at poorly stocked stores for moldy, stale bread.
Communism is not about making "everything equal" or about "the brotherhood of mankind" or a "workers of the world, unite;" that's all a bunch of propaganda cr@p foisted upon them by communist leaders.
Communism is about control.

Obama is about control.  That in itself doesn't make him a commie .... though he freely associated with Marxists at college and his mentor in Hawaii was an avowed commie (not Steve McGarrett, despite rumors to that effect started apparantly by Alan Colmes. :neener  ).   The fact he's made $$$ on books does not prove he is NOT a communist it simply implies if he is he is only interested in using it as Lenin, Stalin, and others used it; for power.
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2012, 12:06:30 AM »
But without a 3rd term to vie for...

I think he'll go for a third term...or simply refuse to vacate the office.
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2012, 07:27:59 AM »

Communism is about control.

Obama is about control... he is only interested in using it as Lenin, Stalin, and others used it; for power.
That's the way I've always viewed it but it's also about doing so by any means possible. Don't want to take a chance on silly elections? Seize power by playing a pied piper's tune of equality of fortune and resources. Don't want to follow the established process? Revolt and promise a worker's paradise...or anything it takes to seize power. It has never been about altruism, just raw power for an elitist few...and a sickening scorn for the masses and the individual. As long as the elites are fine, screw the rest is an underlying principal.
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2012, 10:33:42 AM »
I think he'll go for a third term...or simply refuse to vacate the office.

I might have wrapped the tin foil 'round my head a bit too tight, but I think Outbreak's right. I remember that during his victory speech, Obama said something to the effect of "and in four years I'll be back here, and four years after that, well, who knows?" Sounds to me like he doesn't care much for the 22nd Amendment. Of course, that really isn't much of a shocker, considering how he's held the rest of the Constitution in such high regard during his political career.
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2012, 10:55:07 AM »
  Nah, he'll not try to subvert the 22nd Amendment, it's too bold a move that is done in the light of day. Cheeze Weasels like him and most other Closet Communists are too weak and sniveling to attempt such a bold move. They work best when they try to sneak legislation, go behind the scenes, manipulate the money sources, control the willing media, etc, in short they're just common skulkers.
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 12:42:03 PM »

Plenty of communist leaders had their nice expensive dachas on the Black Sea while the average Soviet waited in long lines at poorly stocked stores for moldy, stale bread.

Which only shows that they were greedy thugs, using the cloak of a Communist government.

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Communism is not about making "everything equal" or about "the brotherhood of mankind" or a "workers of the world, unite;" that's all a bunch of propaganda cr@p foisted upon them by communist leaders.

 :facepalm Soviet era and current China are as socialist as Donald Trump, except those two governments truly ARE power hungry and deluded that they are unopposed. 

And Obama likes money.  He loves sweet, sweet luxuries.  He's full-on capitalist.  And he'll want money after he leaves office, which means lobbying positions and speakers fees.  Creating laws that end debates like gun control and sending SWAT teams to force Rand Paul to perform eye surgery on poor people counteract that income opportunity. 

Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush do all manner of work TOGETHER - post their Presidency - especially stumping for Saudi Arabia.

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Communism is about control.

So?  Every bastard whose run for office WANTS CONTROL.  What next?  You gonna tell me water is wet?  Bob Marley smoked marajuana?  Bill Clinton banged more box than all the box cutters on the planet?

Communist leaders, when they get into power, crack down heavily on their previous administration's followers, if any are alive after they take power.  Obama didn't even entertain the idea of trying the prior administration for what the Democratic party called illegal and war crimes.  He had the same 1 or 2 percent "mandate of the people" that GWB had as well, so he could have done that.

No one has been put up against the wall.  The FBI under Bush 43's administration did as much labelling non-Christian and Christian extremist religious groups as potentially dangerous criminal groups.  And yet, even during "the War on Terror" - thousands of Muslims were not thrown into camps, despite what the Democratic Party whined.

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Obama is about control.  That in itself doesn't make him a commie .... though he freely associated with Marxists at college and his mentor in Hawaii was an avowed commie (not Steve McGarrett, despite rumors to that effect started apparantly by Alan Colmes. :neener  ).   The fact he's made $$$ on books does not prove he is NOT a communist it simply implies if he is he is only interested in using it as Lenin, Stalin, and others used it; for power.

And Power is the means to an end for money.  His Presidency has months (or years, if you're too dumb to exercise your rights at the ballot box) left.  After that, he'll need clout.  And that means, he has to leave things undone so he can hang around Washington, and peddle semi-socialist ideas in exchange for money.

If Obama were a worse commie-style leader than Clinton, where's the Waco?  Where's the Ruby Ridge?  Clinton bounced those off in his initial term. 

You are grasping at straws in thinking we're looking at an age of tyrrany and loss of personal control.  At most, we'll get a token attempt at a bill which will be shredded and destroyed in the House, not even able to reach the Senate floor.

Then he can say "I tried for reasonable gun laws."  Then limp to the Brady Campaign and get money from them.
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2012, 02:08:26 PM »
And Obama likes money.  He loves sweet, sweet luxuries.  He's full-on capitalist.

A love of money and luxuries does not equal capitalist.

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And Power is the means to an end for money. 

You got that perfectly backwards.
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2012, 02:35:15 PM »
You got that perfectly backwards.

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2012, 02:51:24 PM »
My points are -

1 - My reasons for not liking Obama's policies are NOT because he's a Communist or tyrant, and I don't see him as the end-times Anti-Christ.  Sue me for not engaging in a level of loathing borne of frothing righteous rage.

2 - THERE WILL BE A VOTE!  So stop acting like a bunch of apes AND GET AN OBAMA BEATER ON THE TICKET INSTEAD OF MOANING THAT WE'LL BE THROWN UNDER MARTIAL LAW AND WILL NEVER GET A CHANCE TO VOTE!  This garbage happened with McCain and Dole before - some limp candidate gets thrown at the wall because he was the piece of poop that stuck.  And what did we get?  4 more years of Clinton and the Obama administration that you loathe with the fires of hell.  IT'S TIME TO GO BALLS TO THE WALL!  Half measures only feed you defeat.

Now stop calling me some communist coddling dimwit!
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2012, 03:40:15 PM »
No, I don't see him as some kind of end times AC, I just like making fun of him because he's a flop-ear clown that's in over his head.
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2012, 03:54:04 PM »
No, I don't see him as some knid of end times AC, I just like making fun of him because he's a flop-ear clown that's in over his head.

THIS.  :clap

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2012, 12:37:09 AM »
Which only shows that they were greedy thugs, using the cloak of a Communist government.

 :facepalm Soviet era and current China are as socialist as Donald Trump, except those two governments truly ARE power hungry and deluded that they are unopposed. .
China has liberalized economically but politically is just as Red Communist as it ever was.

And Obama likes money.  He loves sweet, sweet luxuries.  He's full-on capitalist.
  :rotfl REALLY?!  You REALLY can say THAT?!?!? :scrutiny :scrutiny  I pointed out his Hawaiin mentor being an avowed commie, his association with Marxists at college, he ALSO made a statement refering to private business as "the enemy."  How does this make him a "full-on capitalist??"
And he'll want money after he leaves office, which means lobbying positions and speakers fees.  Creating laws that end debates like gun control and sending SWAT teams to force Rand Paul to perform eye surgery on poor people counteract that income opportunity. 

Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush do all manner of work TOGETHER - post their Presidency - especially stumping for Saudi Arabia.
So?  Bill Clinton was a leftist but not nearly as much as Obama.  Pappa Bush was no Ronald Reagan.
So?  Every bastard whose run for office WANTS CONTROL.  What next?  You gonna tell me water is wet?  Bob Marley smoked marajuana?  Bill Clinton banged more box than all the box cutters on the planet?

Communist leaders, when they get into power, crack down heavily on their previous administration's followers, if any are alive after they take power.  Obama didn't even entertain the idea of trying the prior administration for what the Democratic party called illegal and war crimes.  He had the same 1 or 2 percent "mandate of the people" that GWB had as well, so he could have done that.
What's your point here?  :scrutiny   Did you ever REALLY think Obama would do that, or that's what makes or breaks a Communist?
I seriously do not think anyone could get away with trying to do that at this point in time; any blather about trying Dubya for "war crimes" that was serious derived from EXTREME leftwing nuts, any that came from the peanut gallery on the left side of the aisle was nothing more than hollow political  rhetoric.  Come on, you know that!

No one has been put up against the wall.  The FBI under Bush 43's administration did as much labelling non-Christian and Christian extremist religious groups as potentially dangerous criminal groups.  And yet, even during "the War on Terror" - thousands of Muslims were not thrown into camps, despite what the Democratic Party whined.
Dubya was not a conservative leader.  He was only nominally conservative at best.  The FBI certainly proceeded much as it had done under Clinton because Dubya left many of Clinton's myrmidons in office, and also because no president actually APPOINTS every FBI employee.

And Power is the means to an end for money.  His Presidency has months (or years, if you're too dumb to exercise your rights at the ballot box) left.  After that, he'll need clout.  And that means, he has to leave things undone so he can hang around Washington, and peddle semi-socialist ideas in exchange for money.

If Obama were a worse commie-style leader than Clinton, where's the Waco?  Where's the Ruby Ridge?  Clinton bounced those off in his initial term.
First of all, Ruby Ridge happened under Pappa Bush's tutelage.  It was Waco that happened under Clinton's.
Both involved screw-ups and other acts of nonfeasance which were not put into effect through some type of presidential order, which would be about the only way the above comment could be held germaine to this matter.  Obama has hardly been goiven an opportunity for a "WACO" -- how many Branch Davidians do you see holed up in current America with guns? 


You are grasping at straws in thinking we're looking at an age of tyrrany and loss of personal control.  At most, we'll get a token attempt at a bill which will be shredded and destroyed in the House, not even able to reach the Senate floor.

Then he can say "I tried for reasonable gun laws."  Then limp to the Brady Campaign and get money from them.
Well, in case you haven't noticed, we lost our right to "control" whether or not we maintain a health insurance policy -- we're REQUIRED to, under OBAMACARE, unless the Supreme Court knocks it down or the repubs get to repeal it.  So it's happening, piece by piece, RIGHT UNDER YOUR NOSE!!!!!!
We are certainly headed into an age of "soft tyranny" if Obamacare is upheld.
Do you really think Clinton was NOT as "control-minded" as Obama??:

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..."  ~~ Bill Clinton, USA Today March 11, 1993
"If the personal freedom guaranteed by the constitution inhibits the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." ~~ Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993.


And lest you think a "tyranny" must rely on Ruby Ridges and Wacos, consider C.S. Lewis's version of a tyranny:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.  It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent busybodies.  The robber barron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they will do so with the approval of their own conscience."

Do you think, perhaps, it's just possible that what Obama's doing (Obamacare, making  appointments while kongress is actually in session, nixing the Canadian oil pipeline, etc) he's doing "with the approval of his own conscience?"

No endlosung required ...... :scrutiny :scrutiny
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