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The first involved a citizen stopping a carjacking/abduction in Orem, Utah, and the second was when armed security prevented a Charlie Hebdo style attack in Texas at a showing of Mohammad cartoons.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-man-shoots-kills-carjacker-outside-store-004403757.html

http://news.yahoo.com/2-gunmen-killed-outside-muhammad-cartoon-contest-texas-062952775.html

The first is representative of what occurs daily in the US but is underreported. I was surprised to find it on YahooNews.

The second has already been criticized as if the cartoonists asked for it and could have been prevented by not holding the showing. No, it's simply the 2A protecting the 1A as intended.
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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2015, 03:24:34 pm »
    Asking for it?  I wouldn't say that. They certainly knew what they were doing and planned for the reaction accordingly.  Other than the perp from the TX shooting living about a ten minute drive away from me, I'm happy with both outcomes.

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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #2 on: May 04, 2015, 06:59:02 pm »
    The two AK wielding body armor wearing jihadis in Garland, Texas were made short work of by the first traffic cop they ran into. If this is going to be any fun at all, we're going to need better quality enemies!  :coffee

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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2015, 03:06:41 am »
    Actually,  a bunch of the local SWAT team were pulling security for the event.   The event was held in the same venue a the nearby megamosque held a "Unity with the Prophet" gathering in the wake of a terrorist attack less than 6 months ago.

    Was the event held strictly for the purposes of getting local extremist to act out?  Maybe.  But hunting over bait is legai here in Texas.

    I don't the the outcome on the drawing contest was very fair.  While the chalk outlines done by the local PD were undoubtedly the hit of the show, they were not properly submitted under the rules of the contest.

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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #4 on: May 05, 2015, 03:59:55 pm »
    There was another incident in Utah this past weekend that didn't make national news.  I couldn't find the original article but I found this one on KSL that mentions it after talking about the foiled carjacking.  Guy starts pounding on a door at 5 am..then climbs to a balcony and starts pounding on that door.  Homeowner arms himself and goes to see what the guy wants, guy attempts to push through the partially opened door and gets shot for his troubles.

    https://www.ksl.com/?sid=34513966&nid=148&fm=most_popular&s_cid=popular-8

    The would-be carjacker's Mom made a statement about the shooter having to live with his decision to shoot a defenseless man.  I think she was confusing unarmed with defenseless. 

    I also don't doubt that the individual was loved and will be missed as she said, but his choice to assault a woman earlier in the day, steal a truck and then attempt to carjack the lady at Macey's lead to some devastating consequences.  The loss of his life and the burden the shooter now has to carry.

    The gun control crowd chimes in...I don't know how to summarize it succinctly without coloring the summary with my ramblings.  It's the last section of the article labeled "Good and bad" if you care to wade through it.

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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #5 on: May 05, 2015, 04:32:22 pm »
    The two AK wielding body armor wearing jihadis in Garland, Texas were made short work of by the first traffic cop they ran into. If this is going to be any fun at all, we're going to need better quality enemies!  :coffee

    Actually,  a bunch of the local SWAT team were pulling security for the event.   The event was held in the same venue a the nearby megamosque held a "Unity with the Prophet" gathering in the wake of a terrorist attack less than 6 months ago.

    Was the event held strictly for the purposes of getting local extremist to act out?  Maybe.  But hunting over bait is legai here in Texas.

    I don't the the outcome on the drawing contest was very fair.  While the chalk outlines done by the local PD were undoubtedly the hit of the show, they were not properly submitted under the rules of the contest.

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    I's a shame anyone had to get shot, but if it has to be somebody then I don't mind it being the criminals. Glad their nefarious actions were stopped.
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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #6 on: May 05, 2015, 05:15:30 pm »
    Doesn't look like they were wielding AKs. More likely Kel-Tec 9mm rifles.
    Also a good write up about the garland shooting:


    http://bearingarms.com/pushed-forward-brave-garland-police-officer-advanced-brought-garland-terrorists/

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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2015, 08:20:43 pm »
    Doesn't look like they were wielding AKs. More likely Kel-Tec 9mm rifles.
    Also a good write up about the garland shooting:


    http://bearingarms.com/pushed-forward-brave-garland-police-officer-advanced-brought-garland-terrorists/

    Great article, thanks! One thing is for sure - the jihadis smashed into a hard pistol fighting man. I wonder what the jihadis were thinking, as they were being shot to rag dolls by an infidel?  :clap

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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 01:13:33 am »
    One AK74, one KelTec Sub2000.   The motorcycle cop that stopped the attack used a Glock 21.  The SWAT guys were already at the venue and used their rifles to insure that, um, well... Neither would be able to manually detonate any explosives?  Yeah, that's it!  Per their training and SOP they made certain that neither would be able to trigger a bomb by shooting them enough to be sure.  Really,  really sure. The then left them to rot on the pavement secured the area while they for the bomb squad.

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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2015, 02:11:18 am »
    Having read about some of the various methods of attack used by our enemies overseas, I am quite surprised that they were not wearing bombs.  I mean, small arms... really?   This is Texas.  The state is familiar with guns.  Shooting up a gathering, even an anti-muslim one, is not going to promote fear and terror.  A car bomb and a pair of suicide vests... Now THAT would rock the country.

    It's not like bombs could not have been easily made from common items.  Any terrorist worth their salt should have had such training.  This begs the question: Were these two just amateur 'wannabes,' or were they really that simple-minded, to think that an anti-muslim gathering in Texas was going to be a soft target to knock over.  Obviously not the latter, or they would not have worn the soft armor.  The armor indicates a level of planning went into the 'operation,' so I am going to say that this represents this two-man groups best effort.

    I am also doubtful that this was glorified 'suicide by infidel,' or why bother with the armor at all?  No, I truly believe that this is the best they had to offer, and they were simply unprepared for the officer's swift and effective response.  We were lucky that they were so stupid. 

    To be sure, I am glad at the outcome - the officer lived, and the muslims died - but one of these days they are going to get their acts together and do it right.  :-\



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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #12 on: May 06, 2015, 07:17:16 pm »
    Key words in your statement are 'tend to be.'  That is the problem.  We continually benefit from their incompetence.  One of these days our luck will run out.



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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #13 on: May 06, 2015, 08:17:32 pm »
    I attended an anti-terror conference where Lt. Col. Dave Grossman stressed that the terrorists don't fear death a fraction as much as they fear failure and being made to look foolish. This is why I'm surprised ISIS claimed the attackers as their own.

    Personally, I think these guys were a couple of goobers who answered the call to jihad without training or experience. Where we will see the difference is when hardened jihadis who have years of experience make it here. Not knocking the cop's actions a bit but these two were amateurs.

    I applaud the cop's response and that was to engage and fight INTO the attackers, taking cover behind the muzzle of his weapon as he moved and shot. Damn fine job no matter what level of killer he was fighting and that needs to be repeated every time we engage these fluffers in the future.
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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #14 on: May 07, 2015, 12:03:01 am »
    Key words in your statement are 'tend to be.'  That is the problem.  We continually benefit from their incompetence.  One of these days our luck will run out.

    I'm not so sure. The "best" of the jihadi movement are the ones who organize, plan, equip, recruit, and inspire. The martyrs are the weak minded fools that are coerced to jihad by the leaders.

    Make no mistake. The martyrs are the brave ones, but not the bright ones. The smart ones are cowards.
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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #15 on: May 07, 2015, 12:52:45 am »
    I have no disagreement with that.  But the fact remains, eventually they will get lucky and score big.  Why?  They are the wolves.  The hunters.  The wolf only has to get it right once, to win, while the sheep must be right every time.  This time, a sheepdog was on patrol and intercepted the wolves.  Thanks be to God, because even with their incompetence, this could have been ugly.



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    Re: Two "righteous" shootings over the weekend in Utah and Texas
    « Reply #16 on: May 07, 2015, 01:03:02 am »
    I have no disagreement with that.  But the fact remains, eventually they will get lucky and score big.  Why?  They are the wolves.  The hunters.  The wolf only has to get it right once, to win, while the sheep must be right every time.  This time, a sheepdog was on patrol and intercepted the wolves.  Thanks be to God, because even with their incompetence, this could have been ugly.



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    I agree.  The fact a couple of third stringers hit a hardened target and a brushed off isn't really much to celebrate.  It is just a wake up call.  The next time they will hit somewhere that isn't defended.  A school, a daycare or a theater where there is sure to be a body count with little chance of resistance.

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