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Re: RIP Ammo
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2014, 10:01:27 PM »
George, I have been saying that exact same thing but in much simpler terms for years.  If you don't mind I would like to "copy" and forward that explanation to some people in my Department.  What you just explined should be required reading at every "force" training. 
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« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2014, 10:29:37 PM »
From a marketing stand point, they're doing great. Guys at work won't shut up about them. Seems like everyday I've got another guy running up to me to tell me about this awesome new round they found.

And PT Barnum is alive and well...he's selling scammunition now...



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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2014, 08:17:31 PM »
In their video it fragmented in a liquid filled balloon. I don't believe it would penetrate very much
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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2014, 09:40:50 PM »
Joe commented on the Crusader Facebook that guys were paying $55 for 20 rounds of this stuff in his area.   :shocked
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« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2014, 11:11:44 PM »
Joe commented on the Crusader Facebook that guys were paying $55 for 20 rounds of this stuff in his area.   :shocked

Word has it a box of 20 sold on Gunbroker for $300. Dunno if that was a legit buyer or not
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« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2014, 07:06:50 AM »
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« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2014, 07:53:37 AM »
Just had to repost this gem in light of this thread....

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Re: RIP Ammo
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2014, 09:29:53 AM »

Even if it worked as stated (BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA), it's an extra $10k easy in lawyer fees for all but the cleanest good shoots.
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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2014, 10:56:57 PM »
Maybe it really is the Next Great Thing.  I'm skeptical but wake me when they make it in 357 magnum.
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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2014, 06:21:30 AM »
I don't THINK I'll ever have to face down routers in the streets.

I should hope not. Mobs of rogue woodworking tools would suck to repel.

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Re: RIP Ammo
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2014, 10:14:55 PM »
OK I do have a question.

At 2:31 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c

--What is that 9mm Carbine. Doesn't look like the lower of a Just Right carbine. Nor does it look like a Theuron Defense carbine. It's not a mech tech or other Glock conversion because it feeds ahead of the grip. Not an AR either, least not that I can tell.

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« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2014, 07:53:29 AM »
It looks like one of those conversion gizmos, that replaces the slide and barrel on your pistol to make it a carbine, and adds a stock.

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« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2014, 08:21:36 AM »
It looks like one of those conversion gizmos, that replaces the slide and barrel on your pistol to make it a carbine, and adds a stock.

The mag is inserted forward of the trigger.
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« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2014, 09:00:42 AM »
Heh, so it is. My bad.

Thought the wire loop on the end of the grip was the end of a mag. D'oh.


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« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2014, 05:59:19 PM »
It looks like an AR-based 9mm carbine.
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« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2014, 07:56:23 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2014, 08:09:01 PM »
I don't THINK I'll ever have to face down routers in the streets.

I should hope not. Mobs of rogue woodworking tools would suck to repel.

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« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2014, 03:20:21 PM »
Its FoS just like we thought. The hype cant trump reality aka physics

 http://bearingarms.com/exposing-g2-researchs-radically-over-hyped-projectile/
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« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2014, 10:25:36 PM »
RatedRR has posted some videos of this ammo being fired into a block of gel. the penetration is not very impressive.

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« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2014, 01:42:21 AM »
I saw another gel test yesterday where .22LR out performed it.
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« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2014, 02:33:51 PM »
Apparently he doesn't mind an unexpanded flat base being the only thing that reaches the vitals.

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Here are a few things I learned while testing the new RIP rounds from G2Research:

The "TROCAR" is a surgical instrument in the medical field designed for cutting during surgery. This is the science behind that additional feature of the RIP round.

The main portion of the projectile (base) performs basically like an ordinary bullet in that it penetrates straight through, creating one wound cavity, similar to other rounds on the market. What some people seem to be missing, after apparently getting bad scoop on the internet, is that the TROCARS are IN ADDITION to the base projectile. So, while the base penetrates straight through and performs the typical bullet function with deep penetration, the TROCARS also break away (only in soft tissue) and spread out to sever their way to 8 more wound channels to a wider pattern in all directions, which other bullets don't provide.

Through harder, barricade materials, the RIP rounds don't expand, but continue penetrating. What you'll see in the test videos we filmed, as well as in your own tests, is that, relative to traditional rounds, the RIP rounds tend to make sharper holes with less bowing of steel sheet. Once in the soft tissue, after penetrating barricade material, or even without, the rip round expands, peeling off its TROCARS to perform their function while the base continues forward with its penetration and main wound cavity performance.

You'll notice as the TROCARS peel off and sever their way outward, they turn around backward as they go, each tearing a wider wound channel as they expand in their starburst pattern through various vital organs. (HVS: Wut? Those trocars DO NOT penetrate to FBI minimum requirements. Not even close!)

After testing this round against many others, and seeing it perform with devastating results in a live tissue test with a 9mm RIP on a 310 pound hog, I can tell you this round does precisely what it is advertised to do, just as the FBI has publicly stated. The 9mm RIP punched through rib bone, then expanded and severed numerous vital organs, blowing the heart apart in a way surgeons who were witness to it have admitted they could not have repaired.

Anyone complaining about penetration of this round is either not paying attention, or is attempting to falsely "debunk" a new projectile. To me, it sounds a lot like the same emo drama that flew when the Glock first arrived on scene, revolutionizing the pistol industry, with people crying that a "Tupperware" gun could never work. Obviously, the Glock works quite well after all. So, if you've seen someone claiming to "debunk" this round, I'd seriously question their integrity after the performance I've witnessed during my personal involvement in the testing.

Would I carry this ammunition based on my experience as a federal agent, Marine, Navy SEAL and DEVGRU Operator? I already am! Is it for you? Only you can decide that. Shoot some and decide for yourself.

I will say that the Glaser performed impressively in bare ballistic gelatin, coming in a respectable 2nd place in my opinion to the RIP. (HVS's impersonation of Jim Carrey as Ace Ventura: Re-heh-heh-heally?!?!)

However, with the introduction of various barricade materials (2 sheets of steel, 4-12 layers of denim, drywall, plywood) THEN soft tissue, nothing even came close to the RIP's performance. The RIP round just does what the others don't do. That's been my observation. Go out and shoot some to satisfy your own curiosity.

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Um, yeah....
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To all those killed by a 9mm, "Get up! You are not dead! You were shot with a useless cartridge!" -HVS

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« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2014, 03:45:02 PM »
Wow. A Marine, a SEAL, *and* a "DEVGRU Operator"? That's all the convincing I needed. I'll be trading my .357s for. 9mms with RIP ammo as soon as funds permit.


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« Reply #72 on: June 03, 2014, 03:49:26 PM »
Wow. A Marine, a SEAL, *and* a "DEVGRU Operator"? That's all the convincing I needed. I'll be trading my .357s for. 9mms with RIP ammo as soon as funds permit.


Right??? It's like that sentence dared us to question his opinion. I liked the guy up until this BS.
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Re: RIP Ammo
« Reply #73 on: June 03, 2014, 06:04:59 PM »
Marine and a Navy SEAL...rare enough combo. What the heck is a DEVGRU operator - some sort of heavy machinery, or perhaps just a new malt machine?

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« Reply #74 on: June 03, 2014, 07:27:20 PM »
Marine and a Navy SEAL...rare enough combo. What the heck is a DEVGRU operator - some sort of heavy machinery, or perhaps just a new malt machine?

Google tells me that DEVGRU is the US Naval Special Warfare Development Group, formerly know as SEAL Team 6. That would seem to indicate the gentleman in question is also a member of the feared Special Operations Dept. of Redundancy Dept.


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