Author Topic: Need some Ammo (Read 8639 times)

Adskii · « **on:** September 09, 2009, 02:28:09 pm »

This looked like the most likely spot to post this question, Where can I get my hands on some 7.62x54r on the cheap? I really want to hit the Ogre's carbine course, but for that I would need to have a bigger stockpile of ammo. Budget being what it is... well it has to fit in the budget. Any ideas? If I have to save up, so be it. I can do that, but I thought I could ask the assembled expertise of some like minded individuals first. Thanks in advance guys.

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JesseL · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2009, 02:48:25 pm »

Quote from: Adskii on September 09, 2009, 02:28:09 pm

This looked like the most likely spot to post this question, Where can I get my hands on some 7.62x54r on the cheap? I really want to hit the Ogre's carbine course, but for that I would need to have a bigger stockpile of ammo. Budget being what it is... well it has to fit in the budget. Any ideas? If I have to save up, so be it. I can do that, but I thought I could ask the assembled expertise of some like minded individuals first. Thanks in advance guys.

Are you really going to run the carbine course with something firing 7.62x54R? If so, I'd love to see video when you do.

Or did you mean 7.62x39?

For either caliber, my local dealer has them in stock. You can get 440 rounds of corrosive surplus x54R for $85 or 500 rounds of x39 for $145, plus shipping.

http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/c/ammo-for-rifles/cPath/12

Canthros · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2009, 03:05:22 pm »

An M44 would produce some shock and awe in a home defense situation. Might singe the drapes, though.

Plus, if you can get the burglars/zombies to line up ...

(Sorry, couldn't resist. Good luck, Adskii!)

FluffyHitman · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2009, 05:39:24 pm »

Quote from: JesseL on September 09, 2009, 02:48:25 pm

Are you really going to run the carbine course with something firing 7.62x54R? If so, I'd love to see video when you do.

Same here. George might need to line up car doors, just to see how many it goes through, and how many of those are from the blastwave if you are using an M44.

Thernlund · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2009, 05:55:11 pm »

I'm bringing my shotgun next time.

-T.

JesseL · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2009, 05:58:32 pm »

There are rifles chambered for 7.62x54R besides Mosin-Nagants that would also be a little more suited to a carbine class. They'd still rate pretty high on the shock and awe scale of course.

If someone does it with an SVT-40 or a Russian contract Winchester 1895 they'll definitely earn a gold man card.

FluffyHitman · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2009, 07:42:21 pm »

Hadn't thought of the SVT, I was thinking of a romak III, but I wasn't sure why anyone would bring a DMR to that carbine class. Either the SVT or 1895 would be straight-up awesome.

Adskii · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2009, 09:21:40 pm »

Yeah, well I've got an all original mosin-nagant... still has red army boot polish on the stock. A friend heard I had spent some time in Russia, so he gave it to me. Who am I to look a gift rifle in the barrel? I have a small stockpile of ball ammo and 2 small packages of Russian special issue silver tipped shells. Got my "ball" ammo from a pawn shop, reading what was printed on the side of the crate (in Russian) it's AP. It wouldn't last long in a wwz situation to be sure, much more effective if they line up... but yeah wwII issue mosin-nagant in the carbine course... it's what I have at home, what I would use, it's what I'll train with.

I also need suggestions on what to use to clean and preserve it since most of the ammo available is corrosive. I've shot guns, but not spent a lot of time maintaining them. I'm willing to learn. Teach me.

THE NORSEMAN · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2009, 09:36:40 pm »

Are you in northern Utah by chance? If so there's a gun show coming up in a couple weeks. If nothing else you can usually find decent priced ammo there.

Clean and preserve it? The easiest current method is ammonia and water(windex) followed by wd 40, followed by gun scrubber or similar, and the last step is your lube of choice.

The windex will disolve the corrosive salts and rinse them away(use liberally), then the wd 40(Water Displacing formula 40) gets all the water off your metal surfaces. It is a poor firearm lube though, so you get rid of it with your favorite cleaner(gun scrubber or similar), then lube with your favorite lubricant.

I may go overboard, yes. But I have yet to lose a firearm to corrosion.........

Also- Do it when you get home, NOT the next day.

Canthros · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:03:46 pm »

Just FWIW, I remember reading an article that included pictures of treated steel demonstrating the effectiveness of various gun cleaning agents on the corrosive salts in question. Windex isn't much more effective than nice, clean water. The surfactants help some, and the ammonia would pick up copper deposits, but soap is cheap and many bore cleaners contain ammonia or some other copper cleaner. I'm not feeding corrosive ammo through anything, so YMMV.

WD-40 is an excellent suggestion (and one I haven't seen before, which is odd, given the guys with a predilection for cleaning guns with it), but I'd be a little worried about making sure it got to the end of the barrel. Do you run the WD-40 through with a patch, Norseman, or just spray it down the barrel?

Quote from: Adskii on September 11, 2009, 09:21:40 pm

it's what I have at home, what I would use, it's what I'll train with.

It's a good idea, and I'm not knocking it.

Are you rocking a recoil pad of some sort, or just the bare steel buttplate and a bottle of Advil? (That's a semi-serious question, actually.)

And, seriously, good luck and let us know how it goes.

Avenger29 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:11:40 pm »

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I also need suggestions on what to use to clean and preserve it since most of the ammo available is corrosive. I've shot guns, but not spent a lot of time maintaining them. I'm willing to learn. Teach me.

Water, lots of water down the bore, scrubbing the bolt, bayonet if you fire it with the bayo on. Warm water. Dry it out (setting it out in the hot sun workes well for me) and oil it up quickly after cleaning. Not a bad idea to use the WD-40, either as Norseman suggests.

I clean blackpowder firearms at work and my Mosin Nagant at home. Water works equally well (and blackpowder is nasty stuff...real grimy)

ksuguy · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:15:06 pm »

You are going to be in for some serious shoulder pain if you plan on doing the whole course with a Mosin Nagant, especially if it's an M44. I've never taken one of George's classes, but I think they shoot lots of rounds. Doing that with a mosin will turn your shoulder into hamburger.

JesseL · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:34:41 pm »

If it was me running my M44, my hand would be more sore than my shoulder. Beating the bolt open ofter every round is rough. I need to start bring a mallet or a short length of 2x4 when I shoot it.

I've cleaned and lightly polished the chamber but it still requires some effort to break loose a fired case.

ksuguy · « **Reply #13 on:** September 11, 2009, 11:35:48 pm »

Yeah my 91/30 has the same problem. It takes 5 minutes to get the bolt open after every shot.

THE NORSEMAN · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:34:41 am »

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Do you run the WD-40 through with a patch, Norseman, or just spray it down the barrel?

Along with windex(actually I use Costco or Sam's Club glass cleaner it's MUCH cheaper than the name brand stuff and works just as well)I use it on every metal surface that could possibly have come in contact with the corrosive salts. As for the barrel specifically, I spray it in there well enough that when I run a dry patch through it comes out dripping wet. I make 2 or three back and forth passes with it after that to make sure I get EVERY nook and cranny in the lands and grooves with it.

Although glass cleaner isn't much more effective than warm water, I still find it is enough more effective to justify the expense. A big key here is the water/windex temp. Basic physics-

The higher the temperature, the faster the chemical reaction will occur. So very warm water does a MUCH better job of dissolving the salts than does room temp water.

Adskii · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:06:32 pm »

The shoulder pad's not a bad idea really, my shoulders are almost to the point where they don't touch anymore and I can look at the gun case without wincing... so I'm due for more practice. I don't fire it with the bayonet as it took me almost an hour to get it off the first time. The bolt slides smooth and sweet on mine... never had any trouble at all.

Yeah, I do live in northern utah, where and when is that gun show?

THE NORSEMAN · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2009, 07:01:01 pm »

http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/gunsched.htm South Towne Expo Center.

Don't expect anything but an occasional deal here or there and maybe the odd hard to find item though. They do always have ammo. And lately it's been a wait in line of about 20 minutes to get service at the 2 major ammo vendors. All in all, I'd say that's a good thing myself, as long as people do use enough of what they buy to become proficient.

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Old Trooper · « **Reply #17 on:** September 14, 2009, 08:06:30 pm »

Gun shows generally have better pricing but Cabelas has a wide variety of calibers and I order from them occasionally.
If you order it over the phone they ship from their nationwide inventory. UPS delivers and it arrives at your door. I stocked
up huge in 2005 before I retired and had delivery to the house in rural Montana in 72 hours.

It was there before I was able to make the drive up home from Ft. Bragg and my Father received it. My household goods took
longer but I drove a U Haul Truck with the necessities, sleeping bags, clothing, firearms, ammunition, and my truck towed on
a trailer behind it. Ammoman.com has a fair supply as well. Google it.

Pat-inCO · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2009, 07:40:19 am »

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

FMJ · « **Reply #19 on:** September 20, 2009, 04:18:40 pm »

For sticky bolts: http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/eliminatesbs/index.asp

Because you shouldn't have to use a mallet.

Avenger29 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 20, 2009, 06:51:09 pm »

Quote from: FMJ on September 20, 2009, 04:18:40 pm

For sticky bolts: http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/eliminatesbs/index.asp

Because you shouldn't have to use a mallet.

Yeah, take care of that sticky bolt.

I was very, very fortunate in that my Mosin did not have sticky bolt syndrome...the bolt cycles smoothly and quickly.