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If you had to start over...
« on: May 25, 2016, 04:32:00 pm »
Let's say you had to build your collection over from scratch.  For whatever reason, tomorrow you wake up to find you have no guns or ammo.  You have whatever your current financial status/income/savings is, to start over - no big insurance payout... :(  You have a reasonably supportive spouse, who agrees that the collection needs rebuilt - to a point.   :eh

What do you go for first?  Second and Third?  Which would you buy differently, or not buy at all?  How would the new purchases be prioritized?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2016, 04:53:21 pm by Kaso »

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    Re: If you had to start over...
    « Reply #1 on: May 25, 2016, 04:45:43 pm »
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    Re: If you had to start over...
    « Reply #2 on: May 25, 2016, 04:51:14 pm »
    Well pistol first since it gets the most use daily for me, and can be pushed into duty in the other roles that I would typically pick a rifle or shotgun. So that would be a Rock Island 5in. 1911 without bells and whistles just a normal setup.

    Then I'd go to rifle, despite shotgun being flexible in both roles I prefer the rifle. I'd probably go with a PSA build, 16in. AR setup. Again nothing fancy just plain utility.

    Then I'd pick up an old used Remington 870 with an 18.5in. barrel and plain jane stock and forend.

    Nothing fancy or flashy but that's the route I'd take if I were doing it over today;) But I will say after that I'd be putting up quite a few other handguns, particularly 1911's. Mostly since I'm fairly happy with my 1911 collection as it stands but there are some other particular models I'd like to have as well:)

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    « Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 04:54:17 pm »
    Well pistol first since it gets the most use daily for me, and can be pushed into duty in the other roles that I would typically pick a rifle or shotgun.
    Indeed.  This was my thought as well.

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    Re: If you had to start over...
    « Reply #4 on: May 25, 2016, 05:27:24 pm »
    Having learned from my mistakes and knowing a heck of a lot more than when I started out...

    Priority Number One would be a 9mm pistol. Specifically a CZ P-01. Small enough to conceal, yet large enough and with enough capacity (14+1, but to 19+1 with extended full-size mags) to use as a primary home-defense weapon. And it has a rail on the frame so I can mount a light for use in the home-defense role. I'd probably add a Streamlight TLR-1 for that purpose, and possibly add tritium sights as well.

    Priority Number Two would be a centerfire rifle. Much as I'm lusting after a FAL right now, I have to admit that the AR-15 is the more practical choice. So an AR it will be. I've heard our own Mad Ogre speak very highly of FN America's FN-15 series, so that's probably what I'd go with, either the Tactical Model with the Midwest Industries handguard or the model with the MagPul MOE SL furniture.

    Priority Number Three would be a .22LR handgun. Easy choice here: the new S&W SW22 Victory. It's the first .22 pistol I've shot that I've really, really liked. I'd get the version with the threaded barrel so I can add a can later on down the road.

    Priority Number Four would be a Government-size 1911 in .45 ACP. As in real life, I'm torn between the Springfield Loaded Operator Black and the SIG Traditional TACOPS

    After that, it's all just the same wants that I have now. Nothing that I really need. The aforementioned FAL, a medium-frame .357 Mag revolver (probably a S&W 686), an MP5 "pistol" that I'll eventually Form 1 and SBR. And a SilencerCo Omega 9K for the MP5 and some sort of .22 can, probably a SilencerCo Sparrow, for the SW22.
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    « Reply #5 on: May 25, 2016, 05:36:35 pm »
    I'd start with the Mossberg 500a (cheapest), then the Beretta 92A1, then the Kahr K9, then just buy the parts for the AR as I could.

    I'm actually pretty happy with my choices. I don't think I would buy anything other than what I have. They work for me.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 25, 2016, 06:07:05 pm »
    Well after shedding a tear and singing a dirge for all the ruined steel, wood and polymer, I'd have to go in this order:

    1. Carry pistol- Would probably be a Glock 19 because a used one could usually be had or I could find a Blue Box deal. It can mount a light a serve as a HD/EDC

    2. A rifle that can serve as a meat getter or SHTF rifle- Most likely be a Ruger or Savage scout as they can be picked up for a decent price used usually with decent glass around here

    3. Would be a HD shotgun- I'd probably go wit an 870 or 500 but in 20 gauge so my petite wife could use it.

    After that would be a good AR-15 with a good red dot and then try to rebuild my Hi-Powers, Smiths,1911s, Rugers and Colts.


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    « Reply #7 on: May 25, 2016, 07:27:23 pm »
    first- a midsized 9mm to carry. $350 max. keep it cheap. used, straight practical.

    second- a .22 rifle with a decent scope.

    next- re-build my riotgun kindness. she's a one of a kind gun that I am *very* comfortable with.

    then- 18 inch AR with a 1-6 power scope. this would replace my current carbine, and edge into my new .308's longer range capabilities

    finally- a commander 1911, a full size 1911, a compact 1911, a .460 rowland 1911, a 9mm 1911, a 10mm 'Hardballer' longslide 1911, and all the other variants I'm missing.
    I need at least a dozen.

    Addendum- throw in a .30 carbine for my lady. nice, light, low recoil, and low muzzle blast.
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    « Reply #8 on: May 25, 2016, 07:28:01 pm »
    So if this happened, then I assume it's the apocalypse.



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    « Reply #9 on: May 25, 2016, 09:24:06 pm »
      I'd have to assume it was all a dream.....Because I would ALWAYS......have at least a handgun (sleeping I have 2 in my headboard).

       But anyway:

      #1.   9mm handgun, probably a Beretta 92.

      #2.  Wasr 10/63

      #3. Mossberg Maverick 88.

      #4.  Mosin-Nagant.

       All relatively cheap and a base foundation of what I use now, that would cover ina  pinch everything I do.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 25, 2016, 09:30:45 pm »
    So if this happened, then I assume it's the apocalypse.
    No, just a mental exercise.  It could be a fire, a flood, bankruptcy, or any number of things that cause all of your guns to disappear.  I know I would do a lot of things different with the benefit of experience.

    For me:
    -1. Glock 23 Gen2 Absolute top priority would be getting my carry setup back together, and I could do this easily on day one.  (Minus the Adams Holster, so a few month wait with a cheap Galco...)  I like the Glock.  Simple, soulless, sure...  Who cares?  It works. 

    -2. Marlin 783  .22 Magnum.  This would be in (temporary) place of my MSRs.  I do not have any pressing need for a thirty round magazine, and the main use of my AR is varmint control anyway, so...  This (and all subsequent guns) would be as funds allowed, as I can't imagine all available resources going into the collection.

    -3. Scoped .308 Bolt action These things are just too much fun not to have, and can double as anti-personnel when used as a truck rifle.  Probably the Mossberg MVP Patrol.

    -4. SAR-1 AK In case the balloon ever goes up...

    -5. S&W K-frame snub Model 66.  The only thing on the list that I would buy as a 'want' rather than a need.


    I could really be content with just that. 

    If I were to buy any more, they would probably be a .22 revolver, and maybe a Remington 870.

    What I would do different?  A lot...  The most radical would probably be that I would have far less handguns than I do now.  Sigs, Berettas, BHPs, 1911s, etc. They are nice, but I don't need them.  Probably don't even want them, if I'm honest. 

    The other shocker would be that I would not buy any sort of AR, unless maybe a cheap one as an investment for the next panic.  Not to shoot - they just don't do anything for me.

    Shotguns?  I love my SxS shotguns, but I could do without them.  My Benelli, same deal.  IF I got a shotgun, it would be a plain, stock, Remington.

    PCCs, such as my Berettas?  Only if I had money to burn.

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    « Reply #11 on: May 25, 2016, 10:17:01 pm »
    <snip>
    What I would do different?  A lot...  The most radical would probably be that I would have far less handguns than I do now.  Sigs, Berettas, BHPs, 1911s, etc. They are nice, but I don't need them. Probably don't even want them, if I'm honest.  </snip
    I'll take the hi-power's and 1911's.
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    « Reply #12 on: May 25, 2016, 11:28:55 pm »
    Since I have multiple safes in multiple locations, bankruptcy is the only way this might happen to me.  My list might be a little different due to where I live.

    1. 30.06 bolt action with a 3-9 power scope.  Cheapest decent thing I can find.  Do all North American rifle.
    2. .22 rifle probably a Marlin 60.  They are dirt cheap and decent shooters, the other do all North American rifle.

    Beyond that it is all fluff.  Lots of tears due to the guns that I will never be able to afford again, and the sentimental ones that are irreplaceable due to who passed them on to me.

     
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    « Reply #13 on: May 25, 2016, 11:50:42 pm »
    No, just a mental exercise.  It could be a fire, a flood, bankruptcy, or any number of things that cause all of your guns to disappear.  I know I would do a lot of things different with the benefit of experience.

    I was making a joke, cos obviously it's the end of the world if anything separated me from my lovelies  :panic.
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    « Reply #14 on: May 25, 2016, 11:52:58 pm »
    I'll take the hi-power's and 1911's.
    Of course... ::)

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    « Reply #15 on: May 26, 2016, 12:00:53 am »
    The Lord has been good to me. Money is certainly a consideration, but I can afford a new gun or two in a pinch. If I woke up tomorrow with no guns, I would go out immediately and buy in one swoop:

    Glock 19
    Remington 870
    Sig 556

    This is really everything you need and nothing you don't. Optics and accessories can come later, along with a 1911. But first things first, get your fighting weapons in order.
    I'm not saying you should use an M1A for home defense, but I'm also not saying you shouldn't.

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    « Reply #16 on: May 26, 2016, 12:12:32 am »
    Glock 17
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    « Reply #17 on: May 26, 2016, 03:53:49 am »
    In order of procurement:

    1) Springfield 1911 Mil Spec

    2) WASR-10

    3) 870

    I'd then save up and eventually buy more expensive weapons like an M1-A Scout/Squad, etc.
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    « Reply #18 on: May 27, 2016, 03:07:58 am »
    Carry gun first, probably one of the current group of 9mm striker fired like the Sig 320, Walther PPQ or HK VP9.


    A 22lr pistol for fun and practice, so another Buckmark unless something better comes my way.



    Since I don't use shotguns, an HD carbine - let's say a Tavor or non-AR Sig in 5.56.


    A 22lr rifle for fun and practice, probably a 10/22 (or clone) of some flavor.


    Next, a longer range rifle, like a SCAR H or an AR-10, the latter in 6.5 CM.


    Until I start adding 1911s and the like, I could actually spend less money than I have currently.



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    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2016, 09:21:14 am »
    Are you including suppressors in this total loss? If so, not cool.

    Silencerco Omega and Osprey. I would buy those again for sure.

    I really like the Buckmark, but I would probably try the S&W Victory with threaded barrel and buy a suppressor for that.

    XDS 9mm for daily carry. Threaded XDM 4.5 in 9mm and .45. 

    Ruger SR556E. Currently have one and enjoy shooting it.

    IWI X95.

    Glock 19. Probably a gen 4, but I do like the gen 3 we have quite a bit. And most likely a Glock 42. That's a fun one.

    Lionheart LH9 MKII.  Currently own one and love it.

    Some sort of .308, and maybe an AK.

    I'm sure there are others, but it would take a while to regain what is already listed.
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    « Reply #20 on: May 27, 2016, 06:21:09 pm »
    Handgun, shotgun, rifle.  In that order.  I could probably buy a handgun with funds on hand and probably enough ammo to become proficient with it and then load it with self defense ammo.  If I had to do all three at once plus the ammo to become proficient with them and keep them fed I'd have to go used.   That being the case, I would opt for a double action revolver in .38/.357 first, then a pump action 12 gauge - probably a Remington 870, and finally an SKS rifle if available or a lever action gun in .30-30 Winchester ( probably a Marlin 336 or a Winchester 94 ).  Even at that I'd probable have to sell something to make it happen. 
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    « Reply #21 on: May 28, 2016, 01:02:07 am »
    I would have saved and bought more ammo for the guns I had that I ended up coming back to.
    Namely S&W model 10-5 three inch (I bought the only two I ever saw), Browning Hi Power, Colt 6920, Remington 870 Police Mag, and Garand.
    I have had these guns more than twice each, along with over 100 others, but at some point in my life, these were the common items in my collection. Strange, but if I could do it all again, I would have bought just these, and then ammo for each with the money I spent on scores of other guns. Probably hundreds of thousands of rounds.
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    « Reply #22 on: May 28, 2016, 07:53:22 am »
    Starting over 1-2-3.

    #1 Pistol & PDW

    Mine: G17 & G21. I also have a G17 Sub-2000, but it's more of a range toy for now.


    #2 Rifles

    Mine: .308 M14 & .223 AR


    #3 Niche weapons

    Mine .22LR Rifle, .22WMR Pistol & Carbine, and a 10mm G20.

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    « Reply #23 on: May 28, 2016, 02:00:16 pm »


    In order of purchase, bottom to top.
    First the CZ P-09 with Cajun Gun Works Pro Package.
    Then the Scorpion.
    Then the BREN 805 - not pictured is the Bushnell TRS-32 red dot that rides on it right now.

    That covers just about everything I do normally, and for most emergency situation.

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    « Reply #24 on: May 28, 2016, 03:29:53 pm »
    4" K/L frame .357, this would be the HD pistol as my wife has difficulty with autoloaders.

    Compact striker-fired pistol in .45acp, most likely an XD, This would be my CCW

    Bolt action rifle in .30-06

    12 ga. pump shotgun, Remington or Mossberg (this would be a hunting gun)

    .22LR rifle, semi auto

    After that I would reacquire a J frame Smith, .30-30 lever action rifle (older model Marlin 336) , 5.5" .44mag Ruger Blackhawk
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