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Flexible bore cleaners for precision guns.
« on: February 04, 2012, 07:54:51 PM »
Is the flexible cleaning tool, the Otis or the Boresnake, the new standard in precision cleaning? I bought a volquartsen barrel for my 10-22 and noticed that the warranty is void if any other type of bore cleaner is used. Is this a trend, or just the peccadillo of Volquartsen. Should I be using it on my $2000 match guns or stick to breech cleaning with a stainless rod and bore guide?
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Re: Flexible bore cleaners for precision guns.
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 08:14:59 PM »
I think that might be because some people have made the mistake of getting a steel 'chamber' brush, and running it down the bore, rather than a bronze, or brass bore brush.

A few places that I've been to have the brushes just hanging on a hook, and people don't pay attention.  They grab a brush that says .22LR/.223, just as an example, and don't read the label where it says 'Chamber Brush.'  I've made that mistake myself, being in a hurry.  Fortunately for me, the guy at the counter caught it, "Are you sure you want this one?" kind of thing.

Those flexible bore cleaners have the brass brushes built in to them.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 11:25:16 PM »
I hadn't even thought of that. It was more along the lines of:

In the days of yore, Men would buy a cleaning rod, brush and jag and patches, and run them from the muzzle to the breech.

Yesterday,  (okay, 20 years ago) we discovered that this process destroys the crown, the most important area of the barrel in terms of accuracy.

So we changed to cleaning (when possible) from the breach, or when cleaning from the muzzle to use a brass piece to center the rod and protect the muzzle.

There was some inconclusive debate over the value of coating the rod with plastic or teflon to reduce abrasion and wear.

I had wondered if the flexible cleaners had changed the game once again? or if I ought to stick with my stainless rod/bore guide/breech cleaning procedure?
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 11:35:59 PM »
Most places won't even carry the steel brushes any more for just that reason.  But they can still be found, mostly for revolvers though.  Ever try cleaning the chambers in a .357 Mag (after a day of putting .38 spl. through it), with a brass brush?  That ain't fun, I'll tell you that.  So there is a place for them.

I figure they just want to CYA, on those expencive barrels.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 06:28:16 PM »
the boresnake is good for a cursory cleaning after a range session, but it's no replacement for a properly fitted jag when the time comes for a real deep clean.


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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2012, 10:00:47 PM »
For Precision Shooting - You need to clean your bore the same way every time.  If you are tracking your Cold Bore Shots, you will find that if you clean the bore differently, you will have different points of impact on your Cold Bore Shots.  Clean the gun the same way, your CBS's will be consistent and predictable.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 11:45:18 AM »
Also, make sure you pull your bore snake straight out - don't pull it to the side.  Never seen it myself, but it's been reported that boresnakes, pull cords, etc... will abrade the muzzle crown over time if pulled to the side, affecting accuracy.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 12:55:21 AM »
Also, make sure you pull your bore snake straight out - don't pull it to the side.  Never seen it myself, but it's been reported that boresnakes, pull cords, etc... will abrade the muzzle crown over time if pulled to the side, affecting accuracy.
That's a theory based on evidence in other things that are not firearms muzzle crowns... and you would have to do it a hell of a lot, the same way every time... but it's possible.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 01:07:56 PM »
That's a theory based on evidence in other things that are not firearms muzzle crowns... and you would have to do it a hell of a lot, the same way every time... but it's possible.

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 01:02:08 AM »
I've got a boresnake but I haven't really tried it yet.  I really hope it works because I'm currently using 1-piece carbon fiber cleaning rods and the things are always in the way no matter where I put them and they're awkward to work with.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 11:20:12 PM »
Yeah, I'm moving gradually away from 1 piece SS rods but don't wanna F**K my barrel, I don't have another $2k-$3k for a precision gun any time soon. Or even a thou for a barrel.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 11:44:12 PM »
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Yesterday,  (okay, 20 years ago) we discovered that this process destroys the crown, the most important area of the barrel in terms of accuracy.

Actually somewhere around here I've got a gunsmithing book from the '60s that mentions about protecting the crown and bore during cleaning. It also talks about rod selection, warns against coated rods due to the embedded grit issue, and so on...

Personally, I like boresnakes. Much less hassle, cheap, very effective and easy to use. You can clean 'em and reuse them.

I still say you need a rod available to clear obstructions/punch out stuck cases kind of work but a boresnake does very well for your cleaning.



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Re: Flexible bore cleaners for precision guns.
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 11:55:15 AM »
I love my 1-piece Dewey rod and it has served me extremely well but I do own several Bore Snakes which I routinely pack with my range equipment.  They work great for light work in a pinch (espically for rimfires) but you have to be very careful that you don't get ANY sand or other abrasive on it otherwise you could do some damage.  I always keep them in a zip lock baggie and I never set it down on a shooting bench or if I drop it I won't use it until after it goes through the wash.  I found the best way to clean them is to put them in a tube sock & tie off the end and then toss it in the wash.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 09:00:52 AM »
Yeah, I think I'll stick to the bore snake for range shooting since I'm cleaning at 5-10 shot intervals, and use the rod and bore guide breech cleaning method at the house. I probably have the same book you mentioned Avenger "The Ultimate in Rifle Accuracy" or somesuch, but as you mention that info's about as old as me. And yeah, the Snake stays in it's original packaging when not in use, it even seems to keep the solvent in place lol.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 02:29:42 AM »
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use the rod and bore guide breech cleaning method at the house.
  The best way to do it. 

I have bore-snakes and Otis kits and use them both.

I limit the bore-snakes to quick a range pull through or if I want to oil the bore on something I haven't shot in a while.

The Otis kit gets used a lot and does a great job.  I would go as far as to say that this is what you need of you have a M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Winchester lever, or anything else you can't readily push a rod though from the breach end.  I have also yet to find a better method for pulling the plastic fouling out of a shotgun.

I think that Volquartsen recommends them because they don't (at least I've never seen) .22LR bore guides.  Using that kind of system will preserve the accuracy the longest since you won't have a rod making contact with the rifling.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 09:20:03 AM »
What mattitude said. As long as you keep grit and other foreign matter off the boresnake and wash them regularly they are great.

I've used the boresnake in the field for almost ten years to no ill effect though if I'm at the range or at home I use a boreguide and a Dewey one piece coated rod with a brass jag.
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