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I'm preparing for my first CCW class and this is one of the topics we go over.  Just want to verify what I'm talking about is correct.

9mm parabellum is what is used in all guns when we refer to the 9mm Auto.  When we talk about the 9mm Kurtz (.380), is that the same as the .380 Auto?
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You've basically got it right.

9mm Parabellum = 9x19mm NATO (though NATO pressures are higher than SAAMI standard pressure) = 9mm Luger

9mm Kurtz = 9mm Corto = 9x17mm = 9mm Browning Short = .380 ACP
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Thanks for explaining that to me.  I thought it was like this.

9mm Luger = Halfway wimpy

9mm Kurtz = Really wimpy

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Give in to your feelings you know it to be true!   ;)

Hey you can't hit me I have this nice chair to protect my skull.  :hide

In all seriousness is there any reason why 9mm Kurtz has to have so many names? 
9mm Kurtz = 9mm Corto = 9x17mm = 9mm Browning Short = .380 ACP
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In all seriousness is there any reason why 9mm Kurtz has to have so many names? 

Because it was popular in candy-assed European countries that don't have the good sense to use real man's chamberings or speak American.

Corto and kurtz are respectively Spanish and German for "short".
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No no no! The line is "Search your feelings, you know it to be true!"

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AFAIK, some of the names the names are because it was adopted as a service caliber by a bunch of different countries. "Short" in German is Kurtz, and in Italian is Corto.

9mm Browning Short is because JMB also invented the 9mm Browning Long (9x20mm) at about the same time.

9x17mm are the metric dimensions of the round.

.380 ACP comes from the fact that Americans like their caliber designation in fractions of an inch rather than millimeters and because the .380 was introduced commercially by Colt (ACP = Automatic Colt Pistol)
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Both rounds lend themselves to compact, slim, easily concealable firearms.  I like my M1911...BUT here in the land of year around spandex wardrobes, Florida, I can conceal a Kahr or a Ruger LCP.

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In all seriousness is there any reason why 9mm Kurtz has to have so many names?  

The 9mm has as many names
9mm Luger
9mm Parabellum
9mm Para
9mm X19
9mm NATO

None of which are to be confused with 9mmX18 or 9mm Makarov.
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Re: Explain the difference between 9mm parabellum and 9mm Kurtz (.380).
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2010, 07:51:15 PM »
My Beginner's German dictionary says it isn't "kurtz,"  it's "kurz." :oops :rules :rules  OK... I'm picky.
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Re: Explain the difference between 9mm parabellum and 9mm Kurtz (.380).
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 11:35:13 PM »
Thanks for explaining that to me.  I thought it was like this.

9mm Luger = Halfway wimpy

9mm Kurtz = Really wimpy

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You calling this wimpy?


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Re: Explain the difference between 9mm parabellum and 9mm Kurtz (.380).
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2010, 11:42:49 PM »
Who or what's wimpy in that video you ask?

Shooter?  Nope.

Caliber?  Yep. :P
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Re: Explain the difference between 9mm parabellum and 9mm Kurtz (.380).
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2010, 12:40:51 AM »
None of which are to be confused with 9mmX18 or 9mm Makarov.

Or the 9mm Largo (Astra 400--Spain) and the (.38 ACP?)
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