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Title: Budget car gun
Post by: Rockwolf66 on April 20, 2017, 11:55:54 PM
Hey all,

Since spring has arrived we are getting more "undesirable elements" at work. I get to work before dawn and sometimes we get people hanging out around the parking lot. I've talked with security and their response is to trespass people and/or call the cops. How well does that work? I've had to "make space" to get away from one mentally disturbed person already.

I'm pondering a Budget car gun. Something preferably:

A) in a rifle caliber
B) Semi-Automatic
C) Short in overall length
D) Cheap

Does the group have any ideas for a "Just in Case" car gun?
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: MTK20 on April 21, 2017, 12:09:34 AM
I have yet to see a semi auto rifle that is cheap. Maybe try a WASR-10?

Although, based on my limited knowledge of your situation, I would opt for something else. I would buy a small keychain can of pepper spray and then a cheap pumpshotgun. They make some very affordable clones of the 870 and the like, if your budget is super tight.

The pepper spray would ward off most social undesirables and if someone truly means you malice, then a shotgun will be effective within parking lot range or any range with which they could close the distance to get to you.

Just my 0.2 cents and outspoken opinion  :cool.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: coelacanth on April 21, 2017, 12:38:00 AM
Short, cheap, semi-auto in a rifle caliber sounds like an SKS to me.   :hmm   If you're going to go with MTK20's suggestion I'd probably opt for a duty sized canister of pepper spray ( assuming you can legally use it in your jurisdiction ).   A pump shotgun is a fearsome weapon and can be had in a relatively short package but employing such a weapon in the dark, pre-dawn hours would probably require a weapon light for target ID and enough practice rounds to get pretty proficient with it.  That would probably go for the SKS as well depending on your level of experience. 
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: LowKey on April 21, 2017, 05:07:27 AM
Not really a lot of details to go on, but if you're talking about parking lot ranges (assuming it's not a 50 acre parking lot) sounds more like a handgun would be appropriate, or if there were some legal reason why a handgun isn't an option then a shotgun, maybe a semi-auto from a pawnshop (if you can find one..the shotty, not the shop) that you go over with a fine toothed comb to make sure it's reliable. 
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: GeorgeHill on April 21, 2017, 06:50:21 AM
AR-15 Pistol.
You can get them very cheap theae days.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: H2O MAN on April 21, 2017, 08:17:50 AM
Do not leave it in your vehicle.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: MTK20 on April 21, 2017, 08:29:54 AM
Short, cheap, semi-auto in a rifle caliber sounds like an SKS to me.   :hmm   If you're going to go with MTK20's suggestion I'd probably opt for a duty sized canister of pepper spray ( assuming you can legally use it in your jurisdiction ).   A pump shotgun is a fearsome weapon and can be had in a relatively short package but employing such a weapon in the dark, pre-dawn hours would probably require a weapon light for target ID and enough practice rounds to get pretty proficient with it.  That would probably go for the SKS as well depending on your level of experience.

 :facepalm I forget that other states can have bigger cans of pepper spray. In Texas, we are limited, that's why I said the little one.

SKS was on my mind, but they are getting harder to find and more expensive. The old mini 14 with the shark fin front sight is still pretty inexpensive and plentiful to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: mattitude on April 21, 2017, 08:34:15 PM
Budget ARs are dirt cheap now and surprisingly cheaper than a budget AK.  I used to have an underfolder AK in my truck but ended up selling it when AK prices spiked...and I wanted to consolidate calibers as much as possible.  At least with an AR you can even separate the upper & lower to not only help with storage but you can also put the lower in a backpack and take it with you to keep a thief from stealing a firearm and also a complete lower is much less threatening than a complete AR.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on April 21, 2017, 08:43:07 PM
Lately,  any el cheapo AR.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: MTK20 on April 21, 2017, 08:50:47 PM
Cheap AR's?

Could someone please link me? I'm still seeing $900+.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: Kaso on April 21, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
Cheap AR's?

Could someone please link me? I'm still seeing $900+.
April of 2017, if you can't find yourself an AR for less than $900, then $900 is what you deserve to pay.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: Mikee5star on April 21, 2017, 09:28:55 PM
April of 2017, if you can't find yourself an AR for less than $900, then $900 is what you deserve to pay.

One semi local gun shops had AR's for $599 IIRC on an Easter sale.  Right next to the baby bunnies.

For less than $900 you can get the TNW break down pistol caliber rifle with their dedicated backpack. 
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: MTK20 on April 21, 2017, 10:02:31 PM
April of 2017, if you can't find yourself an AR for less than $900, then $900 is what you deserve to pay.

I don't look at AR prices and the first online search I did had them at that price.

They're just not exciting to me and they don't disassemble into 3 parts like an AK  :shrug.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: Roper1911 on April 22, 2017, 12:21:27 AM
Cheap AR's?

Could someone please link me? I'm still seeing $900+.

build.
I made mine for $450.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: booksmart on April 22, 2017, 12:54:44 AM
Yeah, I could put one together for $430 right now, from Palmetto State...

20" barrel would make it a little long for a car gun, though... Still, they've got a complete lower for $150... find a complete upper you like for $x, and you're set...
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: dot4x4 on April 22, 2017, 06:34:24 PM
Are you able to get a CCW ?  Can you carry at work ?  A pistol or revolver carried on you would be much better.  A gun in the car, as your walking to it after work, does no good. 

In case you can't carry, (I live in California, and have family in New Jersey.  I understand it is not possible in some areas,)  I would suggest a pump shotgun.  Add a light, and a shot shell carrier and there is nothing you cannot take care of in parking lot range. 

A good flashlight should be a requirement for everyone anyway.  That is the one peace of my EDC that is used the most.  Second only to my keys. 
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: MTK20 on April 22, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
Build an AR and buy an AR are not the same thing  :scrutiny.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: Kaso on April 22, 2017, 08:02:23 PM
Build an AR and buy an AR are not the same thing  :scrutiny.
So they are not.  You can still find them at the lowest prices that they can possibly be sold for - sometimes sold for a loss.  All of those dealers who stocked up for HRC are trying to get rid of their inventory right now.
Title: Budget car gun
Post by: ZeroTA on April 22, 2017, 11:19:47 PM

A good flashlight should be a requirement for everyone anyway.  That is the one peace of my EDC that is used the most.  Second only to my keys.

Confession time: I don't carry while I'm physically working. I build homes in generally nice areas...gotta play the odds. I probably don't need a Glock 19 slinging plywood on a roof or hooking up an electrical panel in a neighborhood with new $500,000 homes.

But I've got a cheap Bushnell flashlight with a pocket clip that I use nearly every day. Pocket knife on the right, flashlight on the left. Heck, I could probably get by without the knife since I have a utility knife on my tool belt. But I use the flashlight nearly every day for something.


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Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: cpaspr on April 23, 2017, 02:28:38 PM
April of 2017, if you can't find yourself an AR for less than $900, then $900 is what you deserve to pay.

Just yesterday at the gun store, S&W AR, in stock, for sub $600.  Don't recall if it was $575 or $550, so just calling it sub $600.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: ksuguy on April 23, 2017, 03:03:57 PM
Thunderbird Tactical here in town is running a special on some law enforcement trade-in AR's for $450.   That includes a bunch of accessories with them too. 

These days it is possible to build a low end AR for $400 if you shop around carefully.     You can even build an AR-10 pretty cheap too.   
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on April 23, 2017, 10:01:30 PM
Cheap AR's?

Could someone please link me? I'm still seeing $900+.


Saw a $250 .300 blackout pistol sans BCG yesterday on armslist.

If you want the good deal you do have to hunt for it.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: socalboy on April 23, 2017, 10:48:50 PM
If you start pulling guns on people, you'll probly have legal problems.  If you mess with these guys...think of what kind of shape your vehicle will be in when you get off shift.  Better have a talk with mgmt and security.
jmho, good luck.
socalboy
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: Grant on April 23, 2017, 11:23:59 PM
  If you have to have a cheap, budget car gun, either a Cheap 12 gauge pump, or an AR15.   You should be able to find a Ruger for $550 if you can't build one, if you built it, you can do it for $400.

 That said, if undesirable elements are that bad? I'd hate to leave one in the car.  It's the to and from the car that's the problem.  Otherwise it's just loot in a car breakin, or loot after they rob you on the walk to the car.

Good pocket knife, good flashlight, and get a limp so you can get a bigass cane to carry with you  :cool
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: MTK20 on April 23, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
If you start pulling guns on people, you'll probly have legal problems.  If you mess with these guys...think of what kind of shape your vehicle will be in when you get off shift.  Better have a talk with mgmt and security.
jmho, good luck.
socalboy

As much as I hate to say it, socal might be right. You belong there and these vagrants don't. As a loyal employee you have the authority to encourage the security to chase them off. I would still carry the pepper spray and hell, even a handgun, but it is your job to punch the clock on time. It is security's job to kick butt and chew bubble gum. As long as there is not: intent, ability, and jeopardy projected from the threat to you, let the security risk it's safety to keep the grounds. That's what they're there for anyways.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: coelacanth on April 24, 2017, 12:38:41 AM
Well, we can certainly all agree that using a weapon is a last resort but that was the assumption all along.  Wasn't it?   :shrug   Asking me what I think a "Budget car gun" should be will either get you a serious answer like I posted originally or a flippant one like:  "Its the gun you found in the center console of your Budget rental car, silly!"   :cool
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: sqlbullet on April 24, 2017, 10:56:35 AM
Cheap AR's:

This:

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-classic-edition-no-magazine.html

And this:

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-upper-with-bcg-and-charging-handle-40176.html

$389.98 + shipping and FFL.

Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: Roper1911 on April 24, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
Cheap AR's:

This:

http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-classic-edition-no-magazine.html

And this:

http://palmettostatearmory.com/ptac-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-upper-with-bcg-and-charging-handle-40176.html

$389.98 + shipping and FFL.



I found an 18" .223 wylde and a 24" 5.56 barreled complete uppers.
I'm glad I have no money right now.
Title: Re: Budget car gun
Post by: mattitude on April 24, 2017, 09:47:00 PM
Actually security, just like the police, aren't legally obligated to do any butt kicking (chewing bubble gum is purely optional) or even any intervening if they choose not to.  Regardless I would recommend some type of legal defense plan (CCW Safe for example) just in case you do have to use a firearm, or even if trigger is never pulled, you will be thanking yourself for the 150.00 yearly investment for that protection because you won't be stuck with insane legal fees (most even cover your bail).

Now back to choosing a budget AR...if you are looking to buy something complete because you don't have the tools (or even the desire) to build your own carbine, what you can do is buy a complete lower and a separate complete upper.  That way not only can you shop for the best price on the lower, you can pick what ever configuration upper you want.  Also to help combat thievery you could keep the lower in a backpack and that way you can carry it with you in to your work and not have to worry about losing a firearm (the lower is considered the "firearm" part of the AR) and also it's non-functional by itself and pretty non-threatening if anyone happened to see it.

As much as I hate to say it, socal might be right. You belong there and these vagrants don't. As a loyal employee you have the authority to encourage the security to chase them off. I would still carry the pepper spray and hell, even a handgun, but it is your job to punch the clock on time. It is security's job to kick butt and chew bubble gum. As long as there is not: intent, ability, and jeopardy projected from the threat to you, let the security risk it's safety to keep the grounds. That's what they're there for anyways.