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Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« on: March 03, 2012, 10:47:07 PM »
Well, due to the lack of a real job market in my area (and the lack of 'moving up' if you have one), I'm faced with some hard choices again. I've mentioned this in the past, and the situation has reared it's head again. For instance, a sibling is going back to a good job up there in less than three weeks. My town is dying a sad, slow death. Long story short, I may have to move back to New York City to make a living just to survive. Why NYC? Among the litany of reasons, I have MANY contacts up there. If this is indeed a go, my time frame is six to nine months from now. As you can imagine, I despise the anti 2A mindset and laws there. Owning (for me) was a nightmare.
 At this time, I can only think of two options. Move to NYC and give all of my firearms to my father. Or, move to an area not terribly far where I can own and commute to work. Last I remember, Pennsylvania was pro 2A in general. Anyone know if that changed over the past decade? I am going to perform some research (NRA-ILA, other sites, etc.) and see if it still is the case. Any other neighboring states? I remember New Jersey laws basically being like New York's.

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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 11:04:51 PM »
AFAIK, PA is very 2A friendly. Shall-issue CCW, no AWB-type restrictions, standard-cap mags allowed, all NFA items are legal save for explosives. There are some asinine hunting laws though: can't hunt on Sundays, and I remember reading somewhere that it's illegal to hunt with a semi-automatic rifle. Can't find any mention of that law now, though.

Politically, the state's rather conservative... so long as you stay away from Philadelphia, Harrisburg, and Pittsburg. Those are bastions of Socialist idiocracies.
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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 11:11:33 PM »
Thanks very much Raptor! Maybe I won't have to leave my tool set behind after all.

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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 11:17:31 PM »
What's your skill set?  You could bunker up your guns and come up here and make a mint on the rigs.  Go home and retire.
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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 12:07:33 AM »
What's your skill set?  You could bunker up your guns and come up here and make a mint on the rigs.  Go home and retire.
Wow, that sounds great!  :hmm
 I've worked everything from 'white' to 'blue' collar and the space in between over the years. However, I don't know if performing certain types of work is in my future. A long list of injuries and some surgical procedures have placed me in an unknown time in my life. Especially as I type this. I'm still healing from my knee surgery, and it is not going well. My surgeon and I are going to have a very long talk in about a week at my post-op appointment.
 This episode threw a monkey wrench into plans I set in motion BTW. I was getting ready to go to school for Welding at the least. Medical field was my second choice. ...So that option is currently on hold.
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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2012, 09:11:37 AM »
At this time, I can only think of two options. Move to NYC and give all of my firearms to my father. Or, move to an area not terribly far where I can own and commute to work. Last I remember, Pennsylvania was pro 2A in general. Anyone know if that changed over the past decade? I am going to perform some research (NRA-ILA, other sites, etc.) and see if it still is the case. Any other neighboring states? I remember New Jersey laws basically being like New York's.


Raptor was fairly close. 

PA's Constitution specifically states that you have a right to defend yourself and the State.  In that vain, LTCF (not CCW) is $25 by law and good for five years. LTCF grants numerous rights in addition to concealed carry. Including the ability to carry a weapon during declared emergencies, the ability to lend to other LTCF holders that are not family and open carry in Philly. Private transfers for rifles and shotguns is legal, but not pistols.

We have one firearms law, and it forbids any other. PA Uniform Firearms Act. Restrictions on EBRs, mags, etc by political subdivisions are not legal. Knives do not have pre-emption and are locally restricted, but not a big deal outside of Philly.  NFA items are legal.  Per § 211.121, explosives require a magazine license, but are legal.  There is no legal pre-emption on explosives, so local laws also apply. (I was licensed for storing, handling, transport, installing and using explosives. Manufacturing is a separate license.) Per 18 Pa.C.S. § 7306, liquid state incendiary devices are illegal for non-govt employees. AFAIK and IANAL, solid state incendiaries are legal but usage is controlled by local fire codes.

We have a decent Castle Doctrine.

Hunting laws are a bit complex but allow quite a bit. They are generally far from asinine as well. The Sunday restrictions (not ban) are not due to "anti-hunting" zealots or Quakers, but farmers and outdoor recreational groups. We have probably the most hunters of any state in the US, about a million of them. It is not unreasonable to share the woods. It is illegal to hunt with semi or full auto. I think there may be an exemption for disabled persons, but I'd have to check.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=576240&mode=2

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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2012, 09:35:45 AM »
Rev, I thought that declared emergencies were when the LTCF was not effective.  Did they change that?


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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 09:50:48 AM »
Rev, I thought that declared emergencies were when the LTCF was not effective.  Did they change that?

It was passed on Dec 6, 1972.  Effective June 6, 1973.

18 Pa.C.S. § 6107: Prohibited conduct during emergency

(a) General rule.--No person shall carry a firearm upon the public streets or upon any public property during an emergency proclaimed by a State or municipal governmental executive unless that person is:
     (1) Actively engaged in a defense of that person's life or property from peril or threat.
     (2) Licensed to carry firearms under section 6109 (relating to licenses) or is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license).
(b) Seizure, taking and confiscation.--Except as otherwise provided under subsection (a) and notwithstanding the provisions of 35 Pa.C.S. Ch. 73 (relating to Commonwealth services) or any other provision of law to the contrary, no firearm, accessory or ammunition may be seized, taken or confiscated during an emergency unless the seizure, taking or confiscation would be authorized absent the emergency.
(c) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:
     "Accessory." Any scope, sight, bipod, sling, light, magazine, clip or other related item that is attached to or necessary for the operation of a firearm.
     "Firearm." The term includes any weapon that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any weapon.
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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 10:05:12 AM »

I highly recommend that any Pennsylvanian read the Uniform Firearms Act in its entirety. It is not long, and technically by law (18 Pa.C.S. § 6125 and 18 Pa.C.S. § 6111.1(d)), the highlights are supposed to be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police with the purchase of any firearm.

There are many actually quite interesting aspects of the law that do not seem to be common knowledge by the police and gun owners.
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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2012, 09:21:40 PM »
RevDisk... Wow. Just wow. Thanks for the info.
My situation is of course a developing one. NYC is calling... I love her, but hate too so to say. I found out if NYC is a go, I would have to live in the five boroughs. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2012, 04:21:32 PM »
There are a lot of people who live in PA and commute to NYC.  Bucks, Northampton, Monroe, Philadelphia, and Lehigh counties.  We have very good mass transit into the city from lower/central Bucks and Philly via NJ Transit (Trenton and Princeton) and Amtrak (30th Street Station and Cornwells Heights, Bensalem, PA).  Further north; NY is a run up I-78 (Northampton & Lehigh) and I-80 (Monroe).

The NRA-ILA sight has the complete text of the state laws regarding firearms and printed copies can be found in most shops.  In general we are an extremely gun friendly and NFA friendly state.


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Politically, the state's rather conservative... so long as you stay away from Philadelphia, Harrisburg, and Pittsburg. Those are bastions of Socialist idiocracies.
  Allentown-Bethlehem isn't a conservative paradise by a long shot.  PA is a bit schizophrenic at times but out side of the above mentioned cities boarders on libertarian.  PA is very much Philly at one end Pittsburgh at the other with Kentucky int he middle.  Things have changed a bit as people have fled NJ's and NY's, politics, corruption, taxes, etc. and then demanded we change to be more like them.  Exhibit "A": The recent addition to the Bucks County Commissioners.  Exhibit "B": the election of (and subsequent loss) of Patrick Murphy a few years ago - something that never would have happened 10 years ago.  I could go on.  That being said Philadelphia's problems are looked at as Philadelphia's responsibility by most of the rest of the state.  The city's general moon-battery and the states political structure mean that it doesn't exert the level of control that Chicago and NYC have over their parent states.  Man, does the Philly press and leadership hate Gov. Corbett!

Happily thinks seem to be moving in the right direction.  We still have the Liquor Control Board/state store and some typical NE issues to deal with, but all in all we are quite a bit better off then most of the region.  A big issue is the relativity high unemployment in the north central and north western parts that have left many people dependent on .gov hand-outs and the resultant muddying of the political waters.
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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 05:53:07 PM »
mnw42, that's exactly what I had in mind! I knew plenty of people who did and still do it every day. But as mentioned, this is shaping up to be a 'five boroughs' living quarters and job situation. That's if it all happens. I talked to some old friends who own up in NYC the other day. It was very, very disturbing. Things have gotten so much worse since I moved out of there. A couple them are seriously considering moving out to Free America.

...I'm still keeping other parts of the U.S. in mind by the way. Texas is among them.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 01:38:34 PM »
Bloomberg can't run again, right?  New Yorkers may yet have a chance to save their city.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 04:53:23 PM »
Bloomberg can't run again, right?  New Yorkers may yet have a chance to save their city.

Yup! That schmuck is out in 2013! But I don't see the 'anti everything' (2A, personal freedoms, etc.) movement and mindset leaving. There's too many who are brainwashed and/or ignorant. Oh, and the elite of the city who are killing her neighborhood by neighborhood. Gentrification doesn't even begin to describe what has been going on over the last decade. I fully expect another asshat to be in City Hall post election. Then there's the other elected officials.
Oy vey.  :facepalm
 


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Re: Bad moon rising again (NYC)? How's Pennsylvania?
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2012, 10:38:33 PM »
My hometown has the biggest gunshop in Pennsylvania and another in the Army Navy Store a couple blocks away.
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