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Appendix Carry: Taking the Plunge.
« on: February 28, 2017, 08:35:56 PM »
I'm thinking of finally taking the plunge into appendix carry. I've heard people rave that it is the most concealable method EVAR! And I want to find a method where I can try to have something "big enough to fight with" in areas where it is legal to carry, but culturally unacceptable.

Here is my question for those of you with experience.

Do you feel a gun the size of a P228 is too big of a firearm to start off with? I want whatever I carry to pretty much disappear and I don't want to spend $100 on a holster to find this out. Under normal circumstances my P228 pretty much disappears at the 4-5 o'clock position on my hip.

I think I may buy myself a new DA/SA pistol that is more manageable while I'm at it.

Btw, for those of you who are concerned, the BUG isn't going anywhere  :cool. I still love my 642, I just want to play with a more capable platform for deep concealment.
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    Re: Appendix Carry: Taking the Plunge.
    « Reply #1 on: February 28, 2017, 09:06:09 PM »
    I'm thinking the 228 might be borderline big.  A lot depends on the holster and also how you wear it but my appendix carry rig never conceals anything much larger than a snub nosed revolver.
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    Re: Appendix Carry: Taking the Plunge.
    « Reply #2 on: March 01, 2017, 10:18:38 AM »
    I carry a G20 in a Crossbreed supertuck in the 1:00 position.  I would prefer it was a bit more in front, but the left side belt clip is right against my  belt buckle.  It is very comfortable for me.  I am 6'0" and 220 lbs.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 01, 2017, 10:43:25 AM »
    I'm thinking the 228 might be borderline big.  A lot depends on the holster and also how you wear it but my appendix carry rig never conceals anything much larger than a snub nosed revolver.

    I'm going to go JM custom for the holster, get the code: George, cos I'm little  :-[.

    I think I'm going to buy me a Beretta Px4 storm subcompact in the very near future and see how that goes appendix. Then as I progress I can try the P228.

    After all, even when I began conceal carrying  at the 4-5 o'clock position I started with a Glock 30 and then moved up to my P228 and 686+.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Appendix Carry: Taking the Plunge.
    « Reply #4 on: March 01, 2017, 01:21:08 PM »
    A P30 and a Glock 19 are comparable with a 228. I think you'd be fine with a 228 AIWB.
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    « Reply #5 on: March 01, 2017, 01:49:29 PM »
    A P30 and a Glock 19 are comparable with a 228. I think you'd be fine with a 228 AIWB.

    Thanks! I do plan on getting the smaller E2 grips for it as well, so that'll help with printing above the belt, hopefully.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Appendix Carry: Taking the Plunge.
    « Reply #6 on: March 01, 2017, 04:00:54 PM »
    I stopped by my LGS today and was ready to purchase my Cx4 subcompact. I talked with the staff there and said that all I would need would be to have the safety turned into a decocker (a G model basically), that Beretta made it pretty easy to do so. You can remove one ball bearing, there is a 7 minute video on YouTube how to do it, and that Beretta even made a CCW version of the Px4 storm that is decock only.

    Well, the gun Smith says that removing that one ball bearing will somehow change the safety and make the gun unsafe. I'm starting to doubt that the man realises the safety isn't even touched during this procedure and the ball bearing is merely a place holder for the spring.

    If I'm wrong on this, please help me unfluff myself, but this was quite frustrating today. Hundreds of Px4 storm owners can't be wrong in their decock only models.

    After I overheard one of the customers (who was supposedly a Smith collector) say that Smith never made a .38 model 67, I had all the will to buy guns sucked out of me.

    I'll return tomorrow to see if the gun Smith has done any research of his own and will do the mods I want. After all, me making a purchase depends on this. I could do it myself, but I'd prefer it done by a Smith.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 04:07:48 PM »
    A long time ago, I carried a 1911 Government model appendix style. It concealed fine- but when the boss walked up to me one day and playfully jabbed his finger into my belly, he got a really odd look on his face. He never said a word, just turned and walked away. The Colt about broke his finger..

     Another one comes to mind, I had a physical type job- once at the end of the day, I removed the gun and found i had been carrying it all day with the safety off and at full cock. Somehow that was not reassuring, especially considering the probable trajectory of the bullet.  After some reflection on having the muzzle always pointed at the testes and/or femoral artery I decided it was not for me.

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    « Reply #8 on: March 01, 2017, 04:51:01 PM »
    With a 1911 I could see how that would have been a very scary revelation for the safety to be off :hide.

    Typically I consider appendix to be safer from "bump tests" as opposed to being out by the iliac crests. People just don't tend to touch me near the front of my pelvis  :shrug. It's one of the few advantages of "tactical testicle carry".
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Appendix Carry: Taking the Plunge.
    « Reply #9 on: March 01, 2017, 07:45:38 PM »
    Re the px4 safety stuff I've been researching the px4 compact as an alternate carry to my 92 and this is what I've come up with. The ball "bearing" is the ball detent that holds the safety in the on position. Removing it just allows the safety to spring back to the on safe position. Until the safety springs back it would be functionally identical to the standard fs model.
    Also Beretta offers the stealth lever kit which replaces the stock levers with low profile levers and converts the gun to decock only. Those are the same levers included on the px4 compact carry.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 01, 2017, 08:15:40 PM »
    Re the px4 safety stuff I've been researching the px4 compact as an alternate carry to my 92 and this is what I've come up with. The ball "bearing" is the ball detent that holds the safety in the on position. Removing it just allows the safety to spring back to the on safe position. Until the safety springs back it would be functionally identical to the standard fs model.
    Also Beretta offers the stealth lever kit which replaces the stock levers with low profile levers and converts the gun to decock only. Those are the same levers included on the px4 compact carry.

    Maybe if I have him order the stealth levers, then he will "feel" better and install the mod I want. Maybe I shouldn't have said I'd swing by tomorrow after my shift, I feel my patience waning with the situation as is and I can't imagine it being any better tomorrow.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: Appendix Carry: Taking the Plunge.
    « Reply #11 on: March 01, 2017, 08:32:00 PM »
    http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-safety-low-prof-type-g-mfg/c89169/

    Here's the link to the Beretta store. Looks like they're out of stock at the moment.


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    « Reply #12 on: March 01, 2017, 08:56:31 PM »
    Dang.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 01, 2017, 10:27:18 PM »
    Why not just just get this http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-compact-carry/#FeaturePoint_6  It says that they have a decocker G model?  They probably would have to order it for you, but it might have all the features you are looking for.
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    « Reply #14 on: March 01, 2017, 10:37:19 PM »
    Why not just just get this http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-compact-carry/#FeaturePoint_6  It says that they have a decocker G model?  They probably would have to order it for you, but it might have all the features you are looking for.

    Cos it's not the subcompact Px4 storm. If they had all of those features in the subcompact, then that would be perfect.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #15 on: March 01, 2017, 10:49:18 PM »
    Cos it's not the subcompact Px4 storm. If they had all of those features in the subcompact, then that would be perfect.

    Okay.  I would check it out personally.  Not quite 1/4 inch more height, not quite 1/4 inch more overall length, and same width.  1 and 1/2 oz more weight empty.  There is not much difference on paper.  I have never touched any Px4 in any version, so...
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    « Reply #16 on: March 01, 2017, 11:51:09 PM »
    I stopped by my LGS today and was ready to purchase my Cx4 subcompact. I talked with the staff there and said that all I would need would be to have the safety turned into a decocker (a G model basically), that Beretta made it pretty easy to do so. You can remove one ball bearing, there is a 7 minute video on YouTube how to do it, and that Beretta even made a CCW version of the Px4 storm that is decock only.

    Well, the gun Smith says that removing that one ball bearing will somehow change the safety and make the gun unsafe. I'm starting to doubt that the man realises the safety isn't even touched during this procedure and the ball bearing is merely a place holder for the spring.

    If I'm wrong on this, please help me unfluff myself, but this was quite frustrating today. Hundreds of Px4 storm owners can't be wrong in their decock only models.

    After I overheard one of the customers (who was supposedly a Smith collector) say that Smith never made a .38 model 67, I had all the will to buy guns sucked out of me.

    I'll return tomorrow to see if the gun Smith has done any research of his own and will do the mods I want. After all, me making a purchase depends on this. I could do it myself, but I'd prefer it done by a Smith.
    Can't help you sort out the Beretta issues but the customer who said " . . . Smith never made a .38 model 67. . ." is as full of sh*t as a - wait, I'm sorry - I meant to say the gentleman is misinformed.   The model 67 is the stainless steel version of the blued model 15.  If memory serves, it was introduced in the early 1970's in response to requests from law enforcement customers and sportsmen who wanted a more durable finish for guns frequently carried outdoors in all kinds of weather. 
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    « Reply #17 on: March 02, 2017, 05:54:10 AM »
    Can't help you sort out the Beretta issues but the customer who said " . . . Smith never made a .38 model 67. . ." is as full of sh*t as a - wait, I'm sorry - I meant to say the gentleman is misinformed.   The model 67 is the stainless steel version of the blued model 15.  If memory serves, it was introduced in the early 1970's in response to requests from law enforcement customers and sportsmen who wanted a more durable finish for guns frequently carried outdoors in all kinds of weather.

    That's absolutely correct and what I told him. Stainless version of model 15, .38, adjustable sights while model 64 has fixed.



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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #18 on: March 03, 2017, 03:02:12 PM »
    After discussing things with my gunsmith, he still didn't like the idea of changing anything out on the Beretta. He said it was "defeating the factory safety", despite all of my research showing that not to be the case  :banghead.

    So I said fluff it (didn't buy the gun) and just bought myself a JM custom kydex AIWB holster for my P228 instead. I got the Code: George with a full guard, sponge wedge, split loops, and decided that despite my preference for any other colour, I got it in black. Although I was seriously thinking of paying the $4 to get it in grey (but I didn't want the belt loops to be grey and then "show" contrast to my black belt that I wear).

    The website says I should have it sent to me before 4/20.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #19 on: March 08, 2017, 11:38:07 PM »
    It should work fine.  I carry a Lightweight Commander in a JM AIWB holster and I have no problems with it.
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    « Reply #20 on: March 29, 2017, 06:01:51 PM »
    I bought a PX4 compact to carry, but I opted not to once I noticed that it is a significantly thick and chunky gun. I just didn't want that much extra inside my waistband, I have enough of my own there thank you very much. I loved shooting the gun, but I realized it just wasn't for me, and sold it. If the full sized 45 had a larger capacity I would jump at it. As for changing the safety, I think your gunsmith is a dope, and since Beretta makes a kit to do it, there's no reason not to. I think the "its not safe" excuse is code for "I don't know how and don't care enough to learn".
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    « Reply #21 on: March 29, 2017, 07:50:56 PM »
    Agreed, regarding my gun smith.

    Holster hasn't come yet. I reckon y'all will want an update of how this adventure in appendix carry goes.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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