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Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« on: July 21, 2011, 03:55:32 PM »
I'm a couple hundred dollars from being able to fully afford a top of the line AK, mags,  (those 2 are pretty much in the bag cost wise). 

I'm continuing to save up for ammunition.

There are so many varieties, and it seems like it's out of stock in many places.

But which brands do you have a good experience with?  Do I have to worry about that poly coated crap flaking off in my chamber?  (If I can help it, I'd just get lacquered steel and call it a day--that brown bear stuff that seems to be out of stock everywhere).  The only Golden Tiger I see is really over-priced too.

Thanks in advance for any advice, suggestions etc.

Keep in mind that I'm not 21, so that leaves out many sites.  I like to buy from SGammo and Palmetto (but it seems both of those places don't have too many choices in stock right now).


I was thinking of getting 10 orders of this http://www.sgammo.com/product/brown-bear/100rd-762x39-brown-bear-hp-hollow-point-poly-coated-ammo ammo and being done with it.

But this stuff from Palmetto http://palmettostatearmory.com/2057.php (the only option left in stock at this time) would get me the same amount, for like $3 more dollars shipped. 

Which of those two is better?

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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 04:14:51 PM »
I've run every sort of 7.62x39 there is (lacquered steel, poly coated steel, brass, brass washed steel, copper washed steel) through my AK and none of it ever gave me any problems. Never put much effort into chamber cleaning either.

There are probably some accuracy variations between brands, but I've rarely done the sort of shooting with my AK that would cause me to really notice so it's all the same to me.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 04:23:17 PM »
I was gonna say... "Isn't that kinda the point of owning an AK?"

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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 04:29:41 PM »
You could probably make working AK ammo from an empty chapstik tube, some matches, and a small rock.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 04:52:25 PM »
You could probably make working AK ammo from an empty chapstik tube, some matches, and a small rock.

Funny you should put it that way... I have a book on the very subject...
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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2011, 05:01:17 PM »
I've run every sort of 7.62x39 there is (lacquered steel, poly coated steel, brass, brass washed steel, copper washed steel) through my AK and none of it ever gave me any problems. Never put much effort into chamber cleaning either.

There are probably some accuracy variations between brands, but I've rarely done the sort of shooting with my AK that would cause me to really notice so it's all the same to me.

Ok, with that being said, of the two links I posted, which one would you go with?



I think I'll order the ammo ahead of time before the rifle, just to make sure I have a small quantity of 1K.
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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2011, 05:06:55 PM »
small quantity of 1k...

There's a "you might be a gun nut" joke in there somewhere.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2011, 05:27:27 PM »
The Ulyanovsk stuff is basically Wolf (as is Tula brand ammunition). I'd say going with it wouldn't be bad at all...

And you won't have a problem with either poly coated or lacquer coated ammunition...poly does not "flake off" and lacquer does not melt off.

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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2011, 05:34:17 PM »
Ok, with that being said, of the two links I posted, which one would you go with?

If the shipping costs are about the same, the Brown Bear is $5 less.
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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2011, 05:56:22 PM »
The Ulyanovsk stuff is basically Wolf (as is Tula brand ammunition). I'd say going with it wouldn't be bad at all...

And you won't have a problem with either poly coated or lacquer coated ammunition...poly does not "flake off" and lacquer does not melt off.




I know that lacquer doesn't melt off.  I know that one for sure. 

Ironically, I was somewhat skeptical of the poly stuff (I know it's a complete 180 from other people who hate on the lacquer).  So I thought I'd ask anyway.  My gut feeling is to opt for the lacquered stuff, because M-43 and 7N6 have traditionally been in lacquered steel cases and get run hard in select fire weapons.


Would it make sense to order the ammo now?  I don't even have an ETA on when I'm buying the rifle and mags yet.  But I know in my heart it will happen and is meant to be.
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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2011, 06:09:41 PM »
Six of one half dozen of the other :shrug. I prefer fmj in my AK but I have HP too. The HP  is slightly cheaper. Go with that.
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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2011, 06:10:57 PM »
small quantity of 1k...

There's a "you might be a gun nut" joke in there somewhere.


See, and here I am thinking of ordering another 4k or so because I'm down to ~1500.

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2011, 06:11:20 PM »
   I wouldn't worry about polymer.  I buy Ulyanovsk because it has been the most accurate of what I've tried out of my AK's, beating out even the "good" brass-cased stuff (Sole rifle/load exception being my RPK and American Eagle).   And in 2,000+ rounds I ain't had any feeding problems. 

Only thing is you can't leave the polymer ones exposed to direct moisture and expect them to remain un-affected...brass, or the laquer doesn't care, but the polymer cased stuff rusts within 36 hours. 

  I have a question:    Are you ordering with your own Credit Card?   Just wondering if'n your mother would use her DL and CC.......Y'know as a "gift".

  If you don't already, put www.copesdistributing.net onto your list, no Drivers License/21 requirements.     

I also like them because their prices are usually comparable to everyone else, but ammo is included in the flat-rate $9.99 shipping.   

They are currently out of 7.62X39, but I asked here:  http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=156570&start=0   
when they'd get a new shipment in.   
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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2011, 07:31:52 PM »
Thanks for the heads up, Grant.

I'm probably going to order from SG this time.  But I'm wondering if I should wait for the rifle or go for that small quantity, (yes, it's a small quantity) now before it all gets sold out.
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2011, 07:53:55 PM »
 Just me: I'd wait.    Get the rifle, they're more likely to go out of stock/might become tough to get, whereas somewhere should have ammo to sell.

Also, I just remembered one more place:
http://www.surplusammo.com/pages/Before-You-Order.html

Doesn't have ID/21 requirements.  Ordered one pack of X39 when it was tough to find.  Dunno, a...average site.  :shrug  No complaints, but nothing spectactular.  All they have is Uly right now though.

Gol-dang...just noticed they have decent price on .50 BMG API ammunition  :hmm  Danged my now-tight budget. 
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2011, 08:09:49 PM »
The thing about the rifle is that I have no idea when I would even go and get it.  Really, I've no ETA on that.

Should I be concerned about others ammo hoarding at all?
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2011, 09:36:18 PM »
  I dunno, no real talk of an ammo ban,etc.    I don't forsee a run on ammunition, unless Obummer makes a surprise presidential order or something  :shrug

  What is up with the rifle?  Local dealer who will order in a Arsenal, then convert it?

 
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2011, 11:12:53 PM »
Again, the only "conversion" needed is to ship it with the pistol grip off.  I'm going to get a kydex grip thingy and then put the PG back on.  That's my only conversion.  It's sucks to do this, but it's not even that bad.

Yes, my dealer gets them.  In fact, they sell/order a bunch of stuff that can't be easily found in the state.  My price for an SGL will be $801 OTD.  I'm happy with that.  In fact, I thought it was going to be $850, though with the cost of the kydex grip, it might as well be.

The reason I started this thread is because it seems that every time I look at sites for 7.62 Soviet, its always low and//or out of stock.  I don't think I've ever seen the Palmetto site fully stocked even.
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Re: Ammunition Woes, sort of...
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2011, 02:37:49 AM »
I have two rules for AK ammo.
1) Buy the cheapest out there
2) Shoot 500 buy 1000

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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 02:57:26 AM »
I prefer fmj in my AK but I have HP too. The HP  is slightly cheaper. Go with that.


No real difference accuracy-wise?  Or is there another reason why you prefer FMJs?
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2011, 06:10:57 PM »
I've never really compared them accuracy wise. No problems shooting either one out of my AK.  No real reason other then I like the FMJs better. :shrug
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2011, 06:46:47 PM »
Gotcha.

I guess the real moral of this story is that as long as it's a 7.62x39 cartridge, it will work OK...
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2011, 01:03:29 AM »
Gun first.  THEN a couple boxes each of every kind of ammo you can lay your hands on within reason budget and avalibility wise.   If you shoot half seriously, 40-60 rounds of any kind of ammo will tell you what you need to know.  Once you know what your individual gun likes, then you stock up on it. 

If you're really going to invest in several thousand rounds, get those rounds that are proven in your gun.  It's a pretty serious financial outlay, so do it once(for now, 'til you shoot a bunch up), and do it right.
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2011, 01:21:23 AM »
Good point.  Hadn't considered that.  At least for now I have enough for gun + mags.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2011, 01:58:01 AM »
also check out slickguns.com, they are sort of a clearing house for sales and deals. They put up a new 7.62X39 deal every couple of hours and I've seen rounds going for .16 per.
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