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Need Secure Storage Solution Help
« on: December 18, 2012, 10:33:47 PM »
I'm looking for recommendations and/or information on secure storage solutions for pistol(s) in a home bedroom.  I have a very smart teenager who loves to figured tech out.  Problem is many small pistol vaults, (i.e. Gunvault, etc) supposedly can be picked, defeated or bumped with a hammer or a hand to open them.  There is supposedly You Tube video demonstrations how to.  What secure, reasonable priced pistol box is recommended here?
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Re: Need Secure Storage Solution Help
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 12:22:33 AM »
Quote from: PlayUpHigh on December 18, 2012, 10:33:47 PM
Problem is many small pistol vaults, (i.e. Gunvault, etc) supposedly can be picked, defeated or bumped with a hammer or a hand to open them.  There is supposedly You Tube video demonstrations how to.

There are...  There's also a youtube video on how to open a car door with a tennis ball.  Give it a try and see how well it works...
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Re: Need Secure Storage Solution Help
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 03:01:13 AM »
What is the purpose of the pistol vault? Keeping out the curious, or securing the pistol from theft?

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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 09:14:15 AM »
Not to come off as rude, but as a father of 3 teens... Step 1 is getting control of the kid.
You should not have to worry about your child picking the lock on your gun safe.


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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 09:51:01 AM »
one of my favorite memories is sitting at the kitchen table cleaning guns and having 2 sets of small eyes peering over the edge of the table watching closely.    Guns have never been a forbidden mystery to my kids.

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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 10:09:04 AM »
Exactly Chief.
My kids went to the range, shot, loaded magazines, cleaned the guns when we got home, and reloaded the brass for the next trip.
Guns are add much of a chore as they are a treat.
There is no mystery or pull to sneak around and mess with them.


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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 10:41:35 AM »
I don't have any kids so I don't have any experience with this.  If you want really good security, maybe go with a small burglary safe.   The downside is that those aren't as quick to open if you need to.

You might try asking Frank Zykan.  I just bought a full sized safe from him and he was very helpful,   http://www.zykansafe.com
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 11:23:25 AM »
Quote from: Evil Jim on December 19, 2012, 10:09:04 AM
There is no mystery or pull to sneak around and mess with them.
This is a good point.  When I was a kid, I would sneak around my father's guns all of the time.  He took me out shooting, but at all other times, they were a forbidden fruit.

This all changed at age fifteen, when he bought me my AK.  At that point, guns ceased to be forbidden, and I had my own, so I didn't bother with his.



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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 02:14:34 PM »
We, as parents, decided to stop what we were doing at any given time the kids asked to see or handle a firearm. That had worked well for us, since we have shown them we will always make time, and they don't have to do it on their own.

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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 09:03:52 PM »
Keeping arms safe from kids and burglars would be preferable.  I learned much the same way as a kid as has been posted above.  The kid I'm most concerned about is disabled, having a form of autism and other health issues, but is brilliant with technology.  I'd appreciate ideas or experiences.
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Re: Need Secure Storage Solution Help
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2012, 11:19:10 PM »
Burglars would be hard. It's a box you can carry. They'll break it loose and carry it off. So make sure you're insured and don't worry about it. As to the kids, which IMO should be your concern, Sentry makes some decent keypad vaults. GunVault is another option.

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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2012, 02:47:24 PM »
I have done research on this issue and there is a serious safety and security issue with inexpensive (>$200) gun safes, including Gunvault.  Apparently some of the Sentry safes also can be defeated in seconds (look on YouTube).  A Forbes investigation started after a 3-year-old sheriff deputy's son, defeated the department issued gun safe and gained access to his father's service weapon.  Tragically, his son died 4 hours later.  His father was later fired for his outspoken warnings about the safety of these issued gun safes (made by Stack On).  The leading names to be wary of (per Forbes) with similar designs are Gun Vault, Bulldog, Stack On and Amsec.  Even biometric safes were found to be easily picked.  Stack On makes $100,000,000/yr, but demonstrates no concern or its ignorance regarding the demonstrated safety issue (see video).  Forbes' recommendations for consumers are at the end of the article (page 4).  Even if your own kids are trained, what about invited guests?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebertobias/2012/07/27/unsafe-gun-safes-can-be-opened-by-a-three-year-old/
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2012, 03:11:07 PM »
Buy some tamper proof wood screws, build a box out of 1" plywood with said screws and glue, screw box to floor from inside, attach heavy duty hasp and padlock, throw away driver for screws.
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2012, 03:49:17 PM »
The article suggested buying from a locksmith or a professional.  I had already called a local locksmith and he has a finger combination safe for $120 that is bump proof.  It was a brand I hadn't heard of before.  That or perhaps get a keyed lock.  Of course, anchor either one down.
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Re: Need Secure Storage Solution Help
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2012, 11:53:41 AM »
Quote from: Evil Jim on December 19, 2012, 09:14:15 AM
Not to come off as rude, but as a father of 3 teens... Step 1 is getting control of the kid.
You should not have to worry about your child picking the lock on your gun safe.


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« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2012, 02:22:58 PM »
Quote from: Evil Jim on December 19, 2012, 09:14:15 AM
Not to come off as rude, but as a father of 3 teens... Step 1 is getting control of the kid.
You should not have to worry about your child picking the lock on your gun safe.


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Right there.

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« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2012, 02:59:11 PM »
If I was only worried about handguns, I'd probably spend a few hundred bucks and step up to one of those smaller burglary safes.   You would be able to put the gun in there, and also have a place for important papers and other small valuables.    When it comes down to it, you'd only be spending another $300 or so and you would get a much better safe instead of a cheap sheet metal box.  It's not like they wear out either,  you'd be able to use the thing your entire life.   

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